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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Sun 25 Feb, 2018 01:19 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

You didn't imply Simon is a sissy, Finn did. He is the penultimate of a no-nothing. He's basically blah blah blah, huff puff loud snorts of outrage, and more blah blah blah.. I am so sick of listening to these real snowflakes who have never had to deal with a murder or rape or suicide postulating about the RIGHT way to react. A pox on his house...but not on his kids....


And you are Simon's poster-sister.

How is pointing out that his response was a torrent of id released emotion, in any way questioning his masculinity? I don't think expressing emotion makes a man a "sissy" (how quaint by the way), but apparently, you do. You may need some group therapy with proud males in attendance.

You also need to consult a dictionary if you are going to use big words like "penultimate." Perhaps, though, you actually meant I was the last thing before a "no-nothing" (Which I assume you meant to be "know-nothing")

Presumably, your rant means that you have had to deal with murder, rape, and suicide. If so that's pretty tough, my sympathies. However, you haven't a clue as to what I may have experienced in my life as respects such personal tragedies, so please get royally stuffed.

Was one of Simon's kids among the 17 murdered? If so I owed him a lot more slack that I gave him, but I don't believe that was the case.

It's sweet of you to exempt my children from your curse, but regardless of how much you resemble an old hag, neither they nor I believe in witches.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -3  
Sun 25 Feb, 2018 01:21 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

I have the same response to bold and ignorant assertions regarding schools and teaching anytime they are made but particularly right now.


Which is to say a response that promotes turmoil and division rather than people coming together to rationally deal with a serious problem?
hightor
 
  7  
Sun 25 Feb, 2018 03:15 pm
I’m Glad I Got Booed at CPAC

By Mona Charen Feb. 25, 2018 New York Times

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I’ve been a conservative my entire life. I fell hard for William F. Buckley as a teenager and my first job was as editorial assistant at Buckley’s National Review, followed by stints writing speeches for first lady Nancy Reagan and then working for the Gipper himself. Looking toward the 1988 race, Vice President George H.W. Bush wasn’t conservative enough for me. I went to work as a speechwriter for Representative Jack Kemp in 1986.

So you’d think that the Conservative Political Action Conference, or CPAC, would be a natural fit. It once was. But on Saturday, after speaking to this year’s gathering, I had to be escorted from the premises by several guards who seemed genuinely concerned for my safety.

What happened to me at CPAC is the perfect illustration of the collective experience of a whole swath of conservatives since Donald Trump became the Republican nominee. We built and organized this party — but now we’re made to feel like interlopers.

I was surprised that I was even asked to speak at CPAC. My views on Trump, Roy Moore and Steve Bannon are no secret. I knew the crowd would be hostile, and so I was tempted to pass.

But too many of us have given up the fight. We’ve let disgust and dismay lead us to withdraw while bad actors take control of the direction of our movement. I know how encouraged I feel whenever someone simply states the truth, and so I decided to accept CPAC’s invitation.
Continue reading the main story

Like the Republican Party, CPAC has become heavily Trumpified. Last year, they invited alt-right provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos (and withdrew the invitation only after lewd tapes surfaced). This year, in addition to the president and vice president, CPAC invited Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, granddaughter of Jean-Marie Le Pen and niece of National Front leader Marine Le Pen.

Matt Schlapp, CPAC’s chairman, described her as a “classical liberal” on Twitter. This is utter nonsense. Ms. Maréchal-Le Pen is a member of the National Front party, and far from distancing herself from her Holocaust-denying, anti-Semitic and racist grandfather, she has offered him a more full-throated endorsement than her aunt has. “I am the political heir of Jean-Marie Le Pen,” Maréchal-Le Pen told the Washington Post last year. “He was a visionary. He was right about a lot of things.”

So it has come to this: a conservative group whose worst fault in years past may have been excessive flat tax enthusiasm now opens its doors to the blood and soil nationalists of Europe.

While there were reasonable, mainstream Republican speakers at CPAC, the lineup also featured demagogues like Sheriff David Clarke Jr. While he oversaw the Milwaukee County jail, one pregnant prisoner was repeatedly raped, and several prisoners died in the space of just six months. One was a mentally ill man who was denied water for seven days. No matter. The sheriff was cheered by the CPAC crowd.

My panel was about the #MeToo movement, which was a natural for me since my new book coming out in June, “Sex Matters,” grapples with the movement and other aspects of our fraught sexual ecosystem.

After every woman on the panel had a chance to speak and with 10 minutes remaining on the clock, the moderator threw a slow pitch right over the plate. She asked us about feminist hypocrisy. Ask me that at a cocktail party and I will talk your ear off about how the very people who had lectured us about the utter venality of workplace sexual harassment throughout the 1980s became suddenly quiescent when the malefactor was Bill Clinton.

But this time, and particularly in front of this crowd, it felt far more urgent to point out the hypocrisy of our side. How can conservative women hope to have any credibility on the subject of sexual harassment or relations between the sexes when they excuse the behavior of President Trump? And how can we participate in any conversation about sexual ethics when the Republican president and the Republican Party backed a man credibly accused of child molestation for the United States Senate?

I watched my fellow panelists’ eyes widen. And then the booing began.

I’d been dreading it for days, but when it came, I almost welcomed it. There is nothing more freeing than telling the truth. And it must be done, again and again, by those of us who refuse to be absorbed into this brainless, sinister, clownish thing called Trumpism, by those of us who refuse to overlook the fools, frauds and fascists attempting to glide along in his slipstream into respectability.

I spoke to a hostile audience for the sake of every person who has watched this spectacle of mendacity in disbelief and misery for the past two years. Just hearing the words you know are true can serve as ballast, steadying your mind when so much seems unreal.

For traditional conservatives, the past two years have felt like a Twilight Zone episode. Politicians, activists and intellectuals have succumbed with numbing regularity, betraying every principle they once claimed to uphold. But there remains a vigorous remnant of dissenters. I hear from them. There were even some at CPAC.

A substantial number of people applauded. And as I was hustled out of the building by security, various supporters gave me the thumbs up sign.

Just before I reached the exit, a woman approached me and called my name. “That was so brave!” she told me.

She was one of my fellow panelists. I hope she’s encouraged. I am.
blatham
 
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Sun 25 Feb, 2018 03:29 pm
@hightor,
Was just about to post on that. The graph that seems key to me...
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I’d been dreading it for days, but when it came, I almost welcomed it. There is nothing more freeing than telling the truth. And it must be done, again and again, by those of us who refuse to be absorbed into this brainless, sinister, clownish thing called Trumpism, by those of us who refuse to overlook the fools, frauds and fascists attempting to glide along in his slipstream into respectability


There's nothing disagreeable here. And it is undoubtedly positive that voices like hers are being raised. But... one could easily see the GOP and conservatives generally settling on a story that says Trump is the full and sole problem in their party and movement.
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blatham
 
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Sun 25 Feb, 2018 03:46 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Which is to say a response that promotes turmoil and division rather than people coming together to rationally deal with a serious problem?
First, let's acknowledge how the NRA has been trying so mightily to find routes of compromise in this matter. And also, let's note how the GOP has never stooped to using guns and the 2nd A as a wedge issue. So the direction of your protest sure makes sense.

But to the point, I was speaking of a common tendency of people to imagine they'd know how to run a classroom properly (on the presumption that it's easy, that pretty much anyone could do it). And we're talking here about normal daily classroom stuff. Toss in what these no-nothings have to say about how arming teachers is a solution and the vast majority of those of us who have or do teach do not think highly of such proponents.

If you are considering arming teachers, don't ask Trump for his opinion. Don't ask Loesch. Don't ask the NRA. Ask the ******* teachers and administrators who know what they are talking about and who are not seeking to divert attention from the consequences of so many guns including those intended for a war zone where killing lots of people really fast is the function of the weapon.
oralloy
 
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Sun 25 Feb, 2018 04:58 pm
@camlok,
camlok wrote:
I am suggesting that you don't possess the honesty necessary to deal with these issues on an adult rational basis.

You falsely accuse everyone of dishonesty as soon they don't buy into your conspiracy nonsense about alien spaceships causing 9/11.


camlok wrote:
I have seen you deny total reality. Numerous times.

No, you've seen me deny your 9/11 conspiracy nonsense.
camlok
 
  0  
Sun 25 Feb, 2018 05:00 pm
@hightor,
Imagine, hightor, words from a conservative, on a slightly different topic but still one that has a parallel which ought to stick deeply in the craw of all of you conspiracy theorists who support the totally impossible US Governments' narrative about the events of 9/11.

She wasn't just talking to conservatives.

I borrow her words to encourage you all to think about what you are really doing, which is equally as bad as what these head in the sand Republicans are doing.

You all should read and especially take to heart her first sentence, put in red to help you focus.

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There is nothing more freeing than telling the truth. And it must be done, again and again, by those of us who refuse to be absorbed into this brainless, sinister, clownish thing called supporting the lies of 9/11 by those of us who refuse to overlook the fools, frauds and fascists attempting to glide along in the US's slipstream into respectability.


Respectability does not come from illegally invading sovereign nations based on the fatuous idea that 19 Arabs hijacked some US airliners, a notion that you all know full well is one huge lie.

You can keep your heads in the sand or you can face up to reality.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Sun 25 Feb, 2018 05:00 pm
@BillW,
BillW wrote:
And, what kind. We already know you can't carry a Thompson submachine gun, a switchblade or a concealed long knife, even a sword openly in many states. We already know that there. Are limits on weapon possession in public within reason. Because "I am me" is not legal reasoning. You also can't carry guns, open or concealed, into Federal Buildings or Starbucks.

People who travel in public have the right to carry arms suitable for self defense.

Note my sig line.
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oralloy
 
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Sun 25 Feb, 2018 05:01 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
They sure did a shitty job of protecting the dead Parkland students' and teachers' rights. And Vegas concert-goers' rights. And Newtown students' rights.

We've done our best to make sure that teachers are allowed to defend their classrooms. It is unfortunate that the left has succeeded in making so many of these schools defenseless. We'll keep trying though, and we'll get there.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Sun 25 Feb, 2018 05:03 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
If these gun ownership issues were merely a matter of differences in opinion relatively available for reflection, I'd agree. But there are billions of dollars involved in weapons production, weapons sales, weapons promotion, lobbying, and electoral donations. And much of that is built upon a very purposeful campaign by the NRA to resist any regulations on ownership or on when/where such weapons can be brought into civic environments.

In other words, the NRA prevents you from violating our civil rights.


blatham wrote:
Failing to oppose the NRA will not, I think, get you anything of what you or I would like to see come about. Polarization is in place and the present economic and political dynamics push towards the continuation of what is going on. Level heads and compromise are not presently available. And I think the only way out is robust activism.

When gun control advocates reject compromise and insist on an all-or-nothing outcome, the NRA gets it all and the gun control advocates get nothing.


blatham wrote:
To use an obvious if trite example, the civil rights movement changed America not through avoiding polarization and fixed ideas.

Keep on self-sabotaging. The NRA will keep on winning it all.
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oralloy
 
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Sun 25 Feb, 2018 05:05 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
You are exaggerating, however, when you refer to "vets who cannot balance their checkbooks". If their affairs are managed by appointed fiduciary trustees, their problems exceed the inability to balance a checkbook,

No. Inability to manage their finances refers only to inability to manage their finances, nothing more.


hightor wrote:
and the provisions of the Brady Bill prohibit them from buying a gun. It's the law.

If so, then it is unconstitutional. Inability to manage their finances is not a good reason to deprive someone of their rights.


hightor wrote:
It would seem that a better way of dealing with those who feel they have to competence to handle a weapon and not endanger themselves or others would be through some sort of appeal process. (Which I think was the idea behind Burr's bill.) Dealing with individual cases is better than a wholesale repeal of the provision because some of those people truly are incompetent.

Rights don't work that way. People don't have to prove themselves qualified before they get to exercise their rights. The government has to prove each individual disqualified.

Take voting rights for example. Picture a political party disallowing a large block of opposing voters from voting. If any individual voter went to court and successfully petitioned to vote, they could vote, but people in this group who didn't challenge in court were simply not allowed to vote.

Doing this for gun rights is just as unconstitutional as doing it for voting rights.


hightor wrote:
The posts from Lash and me were obviously referring to troubled individuals and weren't suggesting that a whole class of citizens should be prohibited from owning weapons.

Lash was responding to my criticism of Obama's measure that targeted a whole class of citizens.
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oralloy
 
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Sun 25 Feb, 2018 05:06 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
The NRA does pay bribes. All lobbyists finesse this corruption through dubious barely-legal processes.
I agree with your comment that only corrupt politicians make lobbyists and their rich benefactors powerful.

Political contributions are bribes now?

How long before votes are considered bribes too?
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camlok
 
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Sun 25 Feb, 2018 05:08 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
You falsely accuse everyone of dishonesty as soon they don't buy into your conspiracy nonsense about alien spaceships causing 9/11.


Your desperation is highlighted once again, not by me but by you, with your patent dishonesty, oralloy.

I don't do conspiracy theories. And it isn't my science that I present. The folks who pretend they believe the US narrative about 9/11 are the actual conspiracy theorists, the ones described by the relatively new pejorative meaning.

You are the folks of the tin hats, desperately hoping that the truth and the evidence don't invade your bubble.

You believe, or actually, pretend to believe the USGOCT, when there is no evidence to support it, and there is myriad irrefutable evidence that sinks it.

Quote:
No, you've seen me deny your 9/11 conspiracy nonsense.


Repeating nonsense doesn't elevate nonsense to the level of truth. It only makes your desperation, and the desperation that accompanies such a flimsy story as the USGOCT, that much clearer to all.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Sun 25 Feb, 2018 05:10 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
As Eric Boehlert just tweeted
"it's like, teens: 21, NRA:0"

The NRA will have no trouble stopping these whiny brats' attempts to violate our rights.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Sun 25 Feb, 2018 05:11 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
Bright, eloquent young man from Majory Stoneman Douglas High in Floriday, just tweeted to NRA supporters attacking him...
"We will outlive you"

Future generations of civil rights advocates will also defend our freedom from these whiny brats.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Sun 25 Feb, 2018 05:15 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
Quite so. A shrug would do the trick on these shootings.
And as a spokeswoman for the NRA, her sympathy for the black community brings a tear to my eye.

Considering the way the black community attacks anyone who tries to help them, I'd say a disinterested shrug would be way too much effort to waste on the problem.
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oralloy
 
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Sun 25 Feb, 2018 05:16 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
They sell tools for murder and want unlimited access to the market... They are your kids' real murderers. And it's all for the money, your children's lives for a dime.

Starting off with delusions about your opponent is one of the keys to getting yourself defeated.

On the other hand, it is good when people who oppose civil rights are defeated.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Sun 25 Feb, 2018 05:17 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Addiction to violence and tools for mass murder.

No. All the NRA does is protect our civil rights.
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camlok
 
  0  
Sun 25 Feb, 2018 05:18 pm
@oralloy,
A veritable NRA meme generation machine. The only problem is, oralloy, the memes don't resonate like they used to. The Charlatan Hestons are old dinosaurs who now lie rotting in the ground.

There are, believe it or not, Americans that are starting to use their brains.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Sun 25 Feb, 2018 05:18 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Arming teachers would be too expensive and would not make children safer, Ms Klinger said.
"It's just not a good solution. I can't find anyone [in the field of education] who thinks it's a good idea."

So she thinks it's better to leave kids defenseless?
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