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Lash
 
  0  
Sat 24 Feb, 2018 03:33 am
One additional look at the glut of mistakes that allowed Parkland to happen, and the continuing break with the NRA.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/new-florida-gun-control-proposals-make-notable-break-with-nra
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hightor
 
  6  
Sat 24 Feb, 2018 03:56 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
Who do you think make up the ranks of the military and police that would be likely to be asked to disarm the populace?

Shhhh! Don't draw attention to that or you'll just make them targets for the fifth column of illegal immigrants who will be assuming control of the USA in the not too distant future!
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hightor
 
  5  
Sat 24 Feb, 2018 05:51 am
Quote:
Activists are demanding the National Rifle Association (NRA) reveal if it received donations from Russia, after it was reported the FBI is investigating whether a Kremlin-linked Moscow businessman channelled money to the group’s campaign to help Donald Trump win the election.

Independent
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blatham
 
  4  
Sat 24 Feb, 2018 06:00 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
Wow, it sure is easy to denigrate your political opponents.
Personally, I'd rather that was not so, but...

But let's look at what I wrote.
Quote:
The 2nd A people are fruitcakes, the lot of them, if they imagine that citizens with guns will do anything significant to protect themselves from a modern state with modern tech and armaments intent on tyranny
I've bolded the conjunctive to make sure it presents itself to you.
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maporsche
 
  4  
Sat 24 Feb, 2018 06:18 am
@roger,
roger wrote:

maporsche wrote:

This is all great Lash. You don't need to convince me that the kid was messed up. I'm asking you, what LAWS did the kid break that would have allowed the local police, or the FBI to remove his guns from his home?

Being a whack-job is completely legal in America. And especially surrounding guns, there are a lot of whack-jobs.

Police can't put surveillance on this kid for months and months and months without some sort of crime being committed, can they?


You're quite right, and that is as it should be. You can't have your home invaded because some neighbor thinks you're some kind of nut job.

Just because I agree doesn't mean I have a solution. Some people are obviously nuts, but they do have the same rights as everyone else till some court judges them to be incompetent.


Ive since learned that California has a law where people can be put on something like a “no-buy” list for 5 years if they demonstrate the range of issues that this kid did. School psychologists are able to add kids to this list.

There is nothing like that federally or in the state of FL.

On the surface it sounds like a law I could get behind.
BillW
 
  2  
Sat 24 Feb, 2018 07:08 am
@ehBeth,
Smoking gun still smoking.
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BillW
 
  3  
Sat 24 Feb, 2018 07:21 am
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

I could never in good faith deny you the right to own a firearm. That's in the Bill of Rights, lets move on and figure out how we can avoid being shot by a complete stranger while we are at work, at school or just frigging buying groceries . I'm not giving up my weapons....but do I really have to carry them everywhere?????

And, what kind. We already know you can't carry a Thompson submachine gun, a switchblade or a concealed long knife, even a sword openly in many states. We already know that there. Are limits on weapon possession in public within reason. Because "I am me" is not legal reasoning. You also can't carry guns, open or concealed, into Federal Buildings or Starbucks.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 24 Feb, 2018 07:41 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
On The Last Leg last night, as well as telling us about stripper funerals they came up with a telling little fact. In simulated shoot outs trained NYPD officers could only hit the target 18% of the time.

That's what happens when you put liberals in charge of the police. The police get equipped with weapons that are intentionally impossible to aim and shoot at the same time.


izzythepush wrote:
During the rampage the killer used a weapon capable of shooting through walls. A teacher armed with a handgun would be little to no use against that, when they can't even see the target,

The shooter was killing people he could see, not shooting at a blank wall in the hope that a random shot might catch someone.


izzythepush wrote:
and even if they could get a clear shot their chances of hitting the assailant.are less that 18%. Chances of hitting other kids in the crossfire are much more likely.

Nonsense.


izzythepush wrote:
Frightened, cowardly little men whose own existence is defined by them having a gun are clutching at straws.

You rely on bigoted stereotypes because you have no real argument to make.


izzythepush wrote:
Instead of talking about what actually happened they're engaging in semantics over whether the weapon in question is military, automatic, semi automatic or whatever which entirely misses the point.

We're arguing over them because the Freedom Haters are raising them.

The Freedom Haters also have no real arguments to make, so they spout nonsense like that instead.


izzythepush wrote:
There's no legitimate reason, even by lax American standards, for anyone to own such a weapon.

Sure there is. The lack of any reason to ban it.


izzythepush wrote:
It's not for self defence, hunting or killing vermin like rats,

It is widely used both for self defense and for killing vermin at a distance. Probably a bit much for shooting a rat at close range though.

When you base your arguments on outright lies, you really end up looking pretty foolish.


izzythepush wrote:
it's for killing innocents, and that's all it's for.

Gosh. We better take them away from the police then. We don't want the police to go around killing innocents, do we?

See above about how the reason why we are arguing about these stupid claims because the Freedom Haters keep making them.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Sat 24 Feb, 2018 07:43 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
The argument that a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun presupposes not only that the good guy is quicker on the draw, but also that it’s clear who the bad guy is.

It would be the guy who is going around shooting people. Any other questions?
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Sat 24 Feb, 2018 07:44 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Enabling murderers, that's what.

The NRA does not enable any murders.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Sat 24 Feb, 2018 07:45 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
They pay a lot of money to prevent even basic legal changes that would reduce the murder of innocent people.

The changes being opposed would do nothing of the sort.

And money has very little to do with it.


Lash wrote:
They actively fight any improvement in our disastrous murder rate.

No they don't. They actively fight proposals that have nothing to do with any murder rate, but are designed only to violate our rights for no reason.


Lash wrote:
Since they pin that A on lawmakers who oppose even the slightest change, a low grade from them should be a badge of honor.

You claim to be for the Second Amendment, yet you say that violating the Second Amendment is a badge of honor.
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blatham
 
  2  
Sat 24 Feb, 2018 07:48 am
The Post has a good piece up on Jim Hoft and his Gateway Pundit site.
Quote:
The bloodshed had barely ended in Parkland, Fla., last week when the Gateway Pundit added its own unique take on the students who had quickly become media-friendly gun-control advocates.

“EXPOSED,” read its headline. “School Shooting Survivor Turned Activist David Hogg’s Father in FBI, Appears To Have Been Coached On Anti-Trump Lines.” It later doubled down, asserting — without any evidence to support it — that operatives linked to liberal billionaire George Soros had “selected anti-Trump kids to be the face” of the massacre.

The stories helped spread a debunked conspiracy theory about the students being paid “crisis actors.” This was a few days after the site initially claimed that the suspected shooter was “a registered Democrat.” A few hours later, it realized it had zeroed in on the wrong Nikolas Cruz but soft-pedaled its correction, merely amending its story to say he wasn’t a Democrat, as “some sources had reported” — a group that seemed to include news sites that had cited Gateway Pundit’s story.

Gateway Pundit didn’t stop there. Reporter Lucian Wintrich, who wrote the Parkland stories, took to Twitter to denounce the protesting students as “little pricks.”

The take-no-prisoners approach — not to mention the conspiratorial tone and dubious assertions — has been the trademark of Gateway Pundit since its founding by a former corporate executive named Jim Hoft in 2004...
WP

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oralloy
 
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Sat 24 Feb, 2018 07:52 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:
Ive since learned that California has a law where people can be put on something like a “no-buy” list for 5 years if they demonstrate the range of issues that this kid did. School psychologists are able to add kids to this list.

There is nothing like that federally or in the state of FL.

On the surface it sounds like a law I could get behind.

Any due process involved, or do they just take people's guns away whenever someone makes a baseless claim?

The answer to that question will be key to whether the courts eventually strike the law down.
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blatham
 
  2  
Sat 24 Feb, 2018 07:58 am
Fox is a great blessing to the world. All the network wants is for Americans to better understand the world. It's their mission to promote learning and to reveal truth.
Quote:
Duck Dynasty's Phil Robertson tells Hannity that Hillary Clinton and Christopher Steele are controlled by the Devil
Robertson: "They are getting their instructions from the evil one"
MM
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blatham
 
  3  
Sat 24 Feb, 2018 08:03 am
Another right wing voice of sanity, truth and reason we ought to note this morning:
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ALEX JONES (HOST): It’s the media hyping up mass shootings that is 100 percent affecting the mental illness of these drug-heads and people. And the sheriff’s department, not just the sheriff that knew the shooting was going on and stood out there for four minutes because it looks like he was a big fat coward. But also the sheriff’s department. And I know [Infowars contributor] Roger Stone’s son’s on the sheriff's department and I’m sure there’s some nice people, but give me a break. Just because he has dinner with the sheriff -- I’m not mad at Roger, I disagree with him.

I think that sheriff is a big Democrat, he’s a big Hillary boot-licker, and they knew it was coming and they all stood down. And the FBI stood down. And now they get to trash the Second Amendment some more. And the sheriff’s department sat there. And that’s what the students told us who have been on the show. They just pulled up in their cars and waited for more backup to get there. I mean I’m not a hero, but I guarantee if somebody’s going around here shooting people or a school I’m going to find them and I’m going to put bullets in them or I’m going to die trying. Instinctive. Instinctive.

How did we become so cowardly? Well, it’s called being a Democrat. It’s called being a sack of garbage. It’s called being a selfish piece of filth. That’s what it’s called.
MM
And isn't that just special. Yet these people, as genius-smart and jesus-honest as they are, still are missing the big story the MSM is suppressing. When Hillary Clinton was having a stroke during the campaign (the first of seven) doctors examined the contents of her stomach to see if something she'd eaten had caused the serious stroke (she couldn't use a toilet) and what they discovered was immediately hushed up by deep state agents. This is what they found in the contents of Clinton's stomach - Natalie Woods' DNA!
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blatham
 
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Sat 24 Feb, 2018 08:25 am
Only the best, the smartest, the most honest and sincere, and the sanest people up top these days:
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In an interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network, a media outlet that also seems to double as a propaganda arm of the Trump administration, Environmental Protection Agency chief Scott Pruitt said his Christian convictions led him to conclude that America should use gas and coal freely because natural resources exist purely for man's benefit.

"The biblical world view with respect to these issues is that we have a responsibility to manage and cultivate, harvest the natural resources that we've been blessed with to truly bless our fellow mankind," Pruitt told CBN's David Brody.
Vox

Golly, I love these people.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Sat 24 Feb, 2018 08:42 am
@blatham,
One interesting fact about the "citizen energy revolution" in rural Germany is that it took roots and succeeded by the active involvement of predominantly conservative communities, with the active support of local churches. The Evangelical Church in Germany has not only promoted solar and wind energy over the past several decades, church groups have even contributed to anti-nuclear protests in the past.

Bread for the World is the globally active development and relief agency of the Protestant Churches in Germany. A quote from 2014 by Sabine Minninger, climate officer at Bread for the World: "It is wrong to go on channeling development funding into coal instead of expanding sustainable energy sources. So we welcome the current political discussions about terminating the financing of fuels harmful to the climate." (Source)
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blatham
 
  3  
Sat 24 Feb, 2018 08:45 am
You'll definitely want to get acquainted with NRA proposals to protect schools in America from free people carrying weapons that keep America free. Almost makes you want to go back to redo the grades in an environment like this:
Quote:
The NRA’s Plan to “Harden” Schools Is Terrifying
Key recommendations include getting rid of trees as well as windows.

MJ
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Sat 24 Feb, 2018 09:08 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

I agree that the FBI, local law enforcement, the parents, and yes-the school, were contributors to the result. They should all be investigated and people should be fired. The adoptive parents should face public censure.

The school suffered the brunt, obviously, no need for more punishment—but we need to learn from their mistakes.

This guy gave every possible sign. Cops were called how many times on this kid?? 20? He shouldn’t have been allowed near guns.

————————

Finn, I wanted to make clear that I only blame the NRA for fighting any small common sense changes in gun law that would decrease gun deaths. If you’ll notice, the changes I propose don’t even outlaw a type of weapon.

I really think keeping assault rifles out of the hands of SSRI users and violent offenders will dramatically reduce gun deaths. The NRA’s foot soldiers in Congress make sure that doesn’t happen. They are more to blame than the FBI et al.


I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure there are laws already in effect which prohibit convicted violent offenders from purchasing a gun...on the legal market. I don't know anyone or any legal organization that opposes restricting the right of violent felons from owning a gun.

As for SSRI users, do you realize that something close to 13% of Americans take them? Do you think they are all ticking time bombs? Do you know anyone who takes them? This is a ridiculous idea and only further stigmatizes people with mental health issues.
 

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