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BillW
 
  3  
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 07:50 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

and

Quote:

BREAKING: Bob Mueller is now officially torturing Paul Manafort AFTER the Rick Gates plea.
He just filed NEW CHARGES! He's going to do this every few days until Manafort says "uncle!"


Mueller may have had an all nighter questioning Gates to confirm an plea agreement with him.

Point of analysis - Mueller doesn't need Gates for Manafort. He has a paper conviction against up to six years behind bars, he needs no witnesses for that. It is possible Mueller has bigger fish by turning Gates.

Also, Manaforts' ship may have sailed unless he has some really, really good stuff on the tRump family that no one else can provide. tRump must be sleepless in that big empty WH bedroom. It is getting closer!
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blatham
 
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Fri 23 Feb, 2018 08:19 pm
@izzythepush,
That's very good, izzy. A lot of gag potential in this one.
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camlok
 
  2  
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 08:54 pm
@oralloy,
You sure are full of Charlatan Heston type memes.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 08:57 pm
@camlok,
Are you seriously suggesting that "shooting back at an attacker" isn't vastly preferable to "just letting the attacker kill you with no resistance offered"?
camlok
 
  1  
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 09:53 pm
@oralloy,
I am suggesting that you don't possess the honesty necessary to deal with these issues on an adult rational basis.

I have seen you deny total reality. Numerous times.

Anyone that will do that time after time after time should not be able to ever possess any firearm, or even drive a car, or be in charge of children or sums of money over $50, ... .
ehBeth
 
  2  
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 10:36 pm
@BillW,
you'll love this

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWwgTccX4AAPYjH.jpg:large

Quote:
Gates statement of the offense makes clear that the meeting on February 1, 2018 was a proffer session. In other words, Gates was there to work out a plea, and he still lied to protect Manafort. His attorneys withdrew from the case the same day.
Glennn
 
  -1  
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 10:51 pm
@maporsche,
Quote:
As a teenager he snuck into his neighbor's yard and tried to get his dogs to attack their baby pigs. "Can't say I've done this specifically, but as a child I've been guilty of ruining birds nests that have eggs in them."

So glad you didn't sic dogs on your neighbor's baby pigs.
Quote:
As a child I used to put alka seltzer tablet into bread and try to get seagulls to eat them, just so I could watch them blow up.

I see . . .

I guess your point is that, so long as you did some of the things Cruz did, Cruz was not abnormal.

Anyway, the FBI was tipped off. They said the caller provided information about "Cruz's gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts concerning wanting to be a school shooter, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting."

The information should have been assessed as a "potential threat to life," the bureau said.

Did the FBI believe you should have been assessed as a potential threat to life? And are your really trying to convince me that saying you want to be a school shooter and being assessed by the FBI as a potential threat to life is just part of growing up? Keep talking.

The odd thing about all this is that, because nutjobs kill people, I shouldn't have a handgun for home self defense. That's some pretty fucked up logic there. Sounds more like hysteria. And you're welcome to your hysteria; just don't try to insist that I partake of it. But you do what you think is right.
McGentrix
 
  -2  
Sat 24 Feb, 2018 12:04 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

The 2nd A people are fruitcakes, the lot of them, if they imagine that citizens with guns will do anything significant to protect themselves from a modern state with modern tech and armaments intent on tyranny. It is like they are living in some fantastical Steam Punk/Davy Crockett universe.


The anti-2nd A people are a bunch of balless douchbags. The lot of them. Who do you think make up the ranks of the military and police that would be likely to be asked to disarm the populace? A bunch of little dicked douchebags that have never touched a gun in their lives or the very people that hold the Constitution and the 2nd A as something more than a talking point on a web forum?

Wow, it sure is easy to denigrate your political opponents. Just make a blanket statement that has no bearing on anything and treat them like children. Easy-peasy.
McGentrix
 
  -2  
Sat 24 Feb, 2018 12:11 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

A high rating from the NRA should be a ticket out of Congress.


What is it that you believe the NRA actually does that would warrant such nonsense?
glitterbag
 
  4  
Sat 24 Feb, 2018 12:20 am
@Glennn,
I could never in good faith deny you the right to own a firearm. That's in the Bill of Rights, lets move on and figure out how we can avoid being shot by a complete stranger while we are at work, at school or just frigging buying groceries . I'm not giving up my weapons....but do I really have to carry them everywhere?????
izzythepush
 
  3  
Sat 24 Feb, 2018 02:02 am
@glitterbag,
On The Last Leg last night, as well as telling us about stripper funerals they came up with a telling little fact. In simulated shoot outs trained NYPD officers could only hit the target 18% of the time.

During the rampage the killer used a weapon capable of shooting through walls. A teacher armed with a handgun would be little to no use against that, when they can't even see the target, and even if they could get a clear shot their chances of hitting the assailant.are less that 18%. Chances of hitting other kids in the crossfire are much more likely.

Frightened, cowardly little men whose own existence is defined by them having a gun are clutching at straws. Instead of talking about what actually happened they're engaging in semantics over whether the weapon in question is military, automatic, semi automatic or whatever which entirely misses the point.

There's no legitimate reason, even by lax American standards, for anyone to own such a weapon. It's not for self defence, hunting or killing vermin like rats, it's for killing innocents, and that's all it's for.
izzythepush
 
  3  
Sat 24 Feb, 2018 02:05 am
Quote:
Ex-Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort secretly paid unnamed former senior European politicians to lobby for Ukraine's previous pro-Russia government, a new indictment filed by special counsel Robert Mueller says.

Mr Manafort paid over €2m ($2.5m; £1.8m) to the ex-politicians, including a former European chancellor, it says.

He maintains his innocence.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43177864
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Sat 24 Feb, 2018 02:54 am
Opinion piece from The Canary.

Quote:
Set against the tragedy of a school shooting, it seems almost trite to point out yet again the extraordinary shortcomings of President Trump. But, like a moth to a flame, the unprecedented POTUS has used the appalling situation to demonstrate his complete unsuitability for any sort of public office.

With the rest of the world screaming in frustration at the US to sort itself out, Trump allowed himself to think aloud. Musing that the best way to address the problem of school shootings would be to stop them being officially gun-free zones, Trump proposed allowing “teachers and coaches” to carry concealed firearms. But he pre-empted any talk of free-for-alls by pointing out that these would only be people “very adept at using firearms”.

Maybe this idea was spoon-fed to Trump by the gun lobby. Maybe it just flitted into the space between his ears while he was coming down the back nine at Mar-a-Lago. Or maybe he was binge-watching one of those old TV westerns where the merest wave of a good guy’s gun is enough to despatch the baddie in a pleasingly bloodless and uncomplicated way.

However the notion got into his head, that’s where it should have stayed. A misguided but decent president might have aired it in a private meeting with advisors. But being both misguided and manifestly not decent, Trump blurted it out in an audience with survivors and bereaved relatives of last week’s atrocity.

Aside from the crass opportunism, there’s so much wrong about Trump’s proposal that it’s hard to know where to begin. But I’ll start with a point made by a friend of mine, himself a teacher. Given the number of attacks committed by young people, he suggests “Trump is considering asking teachers to shoot kids”.

The argument that a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun presupposes not only that the good guy is quicker on the draw, but also that it’s clear who the bad guy is. In the UK, for example, it’s pretty obvious that someone walking down the street with a piece stuffed into their waistband is a wrong ‘un. Trump wants us to believe that among hundreds or thousands of people on a school campus, dozens of whom may be carrying guns, it’ll be easy to spot the villain. Presumably he’ll be wearing a black hat.

The stark lesson already staring the US in the face is that even trained and supposedly “adept” armed personnel in the police have a shocking record of shooting innocent people. In the current fevered and fearful atmosphere in US schools, how many ‘accidents’ would happen due to panic or misidentification?

The US has around 300 million guns in private ownership. In 2016, over 11,000 people died by gunshot (murder and manslaughter). The country’s relevant, but by no means unique, history of frontier trail-blazing and forcible ethnic cleansing has allowed a gun culture to develop that won’t disappear overnight. Powerful commercial forces now dominate the debate. Even school safety fears have been successfully monetised with the market for education sector security worth $2.68bn in 2017. The people now clamouring for change – many of them schoolchildren themselves – face an uphill struggle.

But change must come. And it feels as if there’s an urgency to the calls that goes beyond what we’ve seen before. While Trump may be the gun lobby’s man in the White House, he’s also a high-profile example of the rank stupidity of the gun cause. With each ill-conceived pronouncement, he unwittingly chips away at the foundations of gun-owning America.

Maybe he’ll turn out to be the president under whose tenure gun worship finally becomes unacceptable.



https://www.thecanary.co/opinion/2018/02/22/trumps-latest-hare-brained-proposal-wrong-totally-backfire/
Olivier5
 
  3  
Sat 24 Feb, 2018 02:59 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
What is it that you believe the NRA actually does that would warrant such nonsense?

Enabling murderers, that's what.
Lash
 
  2  
Sat 24 Feb, 2018 03:19 am
@McGentrix,
They pay a lot of money to prevent even basic legal changes that would reduce the murder of innocent people. They actively fight any improvement in our disastrous murder rate.

Since they pin that A on lawmakers who oppose even the slightest change, a low grade from them should be a badge of honor.
 

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