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Lash
 
  -1  
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 02:24 pm
@Glennn,
Wonder who wanted your factual, informative response hidden, Glenn?
Lash
 
  0  
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 02:25 pm
He’s a coward.

Unable to say he was very, very wrong.
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 02:28 pm
hour by hour the image changes

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWvyHoaWsAERzQ6.jpg

Fedex seems to be the current focus
maporsche
 
  6  
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 02:30 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

They were called to a domestic violence situation on him more than 20 times. You do not need a warrant to see if there are weapons on the premises in that case.

The tip was: he’s threatened to shoot people. Did you follow this case at all?

Looks like you should apply for a job with the FBI. Great investigative skills.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/02/21/us/school-shooter-gun-threats-first-host-family-told-police-invs/index.html

Excerpt:

Just months before Nikolas Cruz killed 17 at his former high school in South Florida, the host family who had taken him in immediately after his mother's death warned local law enforcement that the 19-year-old had "used a gun against people before" and "has put the gun to others' heads in the past," according to records obtained by CNN.

It's the latest indication of how law enforcement encountered warning signs about Cruz's violent behavior before he attacked students and teachers at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School on Valentine's Day.

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Interested to see what maporsche will say now.


This is all great Lash. You don't need to convince me that the kid was messed up. I'm asking you, what LAWS did the kid break that would have allowed the local police, or the FBI to remove his guns from his home?

Being a whack-job is completely legal in America. And especially surrounding guns, there are a lot of whack-jobs.

Police can't put surveillance on this kid for months and months and months without some sort of crime being committed, can they?
maporsche
 
  3  
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 02:34 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Wonder who wanted your factual, informative response hidden, Glenn?


Glenn is hidden from my view. For good reason.

What he posted tells me nothing that I didn't already know. Kid was a nutjob.

What laws did he break that would have given police reason to remove his guns. People like orally would NEVER allow someone to have their rights violated because they said something mean on a youtube video or 10 years before did some messed up things to animals (any of that proven in a court of law or anywhere else that may have made it to a psychological file?).

Kids crazy. I'm upset that we don't have any laws to deal with kids like this effectively. I bet you are too...why are you arguing with me on this?
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maporsche
 
  2  
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 02:42 pm
Glenn's post about the shooter

Quote:
When he was in the fourth grade he liked to bloody up squirrels with his pellet gun, and then he started on chickens. I'm also guilty of doing this as a child. Within minutes of owning a BB gun I was on the hunt for small animals.

As a teenager he snuck into his neighbor's yard and tried to get his dogs to attack their baby pigs. Can't say I've done this specifically, but as a child I've been guilty of ruining birds nests that have eggs in them.

One neighbor saw him ramming long sticks into rabbit holes, apparently trying to kill anything trapped inside. As a child I used to put alka seltzer tablet into bread and try to get seagulls to eat them, just so I could watch them blow up.

Some neighbors said they called the cops on him frequently, and cop cars were at his house regularly to deal with the latest complaint against him. I guess he didn't break any laws? Or couldn't be convicted of breaking any.

Later he became more isolated, withdrawing from even his brother. Then others finally withdrew from him because he started posting scary posts on Instagram and photos of stuff like the bloodied body of a dead frog, and that he wanted to become a school-shooter. Then he was expelled from school, lost his mother to pneumonia and became depressed. He had an explosive temper and seemed to get off on antagonizing others. A kid who grew up on the same block said that people were afraid of him and that just about everybody on his part of the street had a run-in with him; he picked fights with other kids [as a child, I did this], stole people's mail [as a child, I did this], threw rocks and vandalized property [as a child, I did this], got called stealing a neighbor's bike [as a child, I did this], got caught peeking into a woman's bedroom [as a child, I did this], and started throwing eggs at his neighbor's car [as a child, I did this].

Then the daughter of a neighbor drove past him as he was waiting for the school bus. Cruz attacked her car, slamming it with his backpack. [as a child, I did this] She called the police, and they stationed an officer at the intersection to make sure he didn't throw anything at cars. At school he started selling knives out of his lunchbox, and posting on Instagram about guns and killing animals.

He was repeatedly suspended from school. The school administration sent out emails to teachers asking them to keep an eye on him. The Broward County Mayor told CNN that Cruz had been receiving treatment at a mental-health clinic for a while, but that he had not been to the clinic for more than a year.




Many of these things that are listed are things that a lot of boys do. Not saying any of it is right, but it's not all indicative of being a mass murderer either. The school shooter stuff is, and the collection of firearms could be.

Orally, maybe you can tell us if any of these things the kid has done in his past would have you or your NRA buddies saying 'Take away all his guns".
camlok
 
  0  
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 02:52 pm
@izzythepush,
Is your entire life a movie set, izzy?
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camlok
 
  0  
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 02:58 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
Yesterday, for instance, I said that the 2nd Amendment was an anachronism. Your immediate response was not to ask me "in what way?" or state your reasons for thinking that it remains as relevant today as it was in the late 18th Century. Instead you insult me right off the bat:

Quote:
Finn: This is perhaps the most foolish comment you have ever made.

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Surely to dog, tho', hightor, you have enough self respect to know that that was a perfectly rational, completely sane statement. Finn's response tells you you were perfectly accurate.
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BillW
 
  2  
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 02:59 pm
@ehBeth,
(CNN)A top Republican donor vowed on Saturday to stop cutting checks for candidates and political groups that do not support a ban on assault weapons.

Real estate developer Al Hoffman Jr. told CNN's Ana Cabrera on Sunday that he would not give money to lawmakers if they did not spring into action, confirming he had sent an email to GOP leaders explaining his decision.
BillW
 
  2  
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 03:01 pm
@maporsche,
me too!
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camlok
 
  0  
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 03:02 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Are you suggesting that because I did not wish to remain in that milieu that I am somehow "out of touch?" You drove a truck all your life and so you are somehow more authentic than me?


It's not your choice of career that makes you "out of touch", Finn, it is your cowardly nature, the one that makes you seek a hole to hide in instead of honestly addressing reality.

But in this, you have a lot of cowardly comrades sharing that little hidey hole of yours. Perhaps you might consider a renovation.
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Lash
 
  0  
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 03:03 pm
@maporsche,
You intentionally ignored my response. You fit so well in the neoliberal fold.

camlok
 
  1  
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 03:10 pm
@maporsche,
Quote:
You're right Finn.

You should have to be 21 to join the military too.


Even 21 is not old enough. The US brainwashing is simply much too pervasive. Hells bells, it works its evil magic on the old fogies who post here.
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maporsche
 
  4  
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 03:10 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

You intentionally ignored my response. You fit so well in the neoliberal fold.


Thanks?

The kid was an out of control teen before this incident. Do you know how many of them are out there? Google the afternoon talk shows.

How many of these "20 domestic disturbance calls" are about being an out of control teenager, also during all of these calls, Cruz didn't own any guns. So, search away police officers, nothing to see there.



The NCIS system checks for felony convictions, instances of domestic violence, addiction to illegal drugs and involuntary commitments due to mental illness.

But it does not check for school expulsions, other mental health history or domestic disturbances that do not result in criminal charges.
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maporsche
 
  3  
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 03:14 pm
@Lash,
I'm also having this discussion with you because I DON'T think our current laws are ENOUGH.

Apparently you do, otherwise I'm not sure why there is disagreement here.
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camlok
 
  0  
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 03:16 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
The important thing to realize is that only a rare few of them will hold to principle.


That is a theme that moves thru the entire US populace, Finn. Look at how so many of you sit silent when successive US governments murder tens of millions of people.

Look at how so many of you sit silent when a US government blows up three towers in NYC and murders, ... you tell me the number.
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camlok
 
  0  
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 03:17 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
When leaks come out from the Mueller investigation about how it has probed into the Democrats side of this affair, I will take it seriously. Until then it's all partisan bullshit.


So much for the corny old meme that the USA is a rule of law nation.
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camlok
 
  0  
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 03:21 pm
@maporsche,
Quote:
Let's protect schools too; of course our taxes will need to go up to pay for all this extra security nationwide. I'll support a tax increase for that...will you?


See what the USA's war mongering, fully taught seething hatred for others has brought to y'all.

What goes around comes around!
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blatham
 
  2  
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 03:29 pm
@ehBeth,
Good.
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blatham
 
  3  
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 03:33 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
You've got the wrong guy. Izzy's reference was to Sheriff Andy Taylor, father of Opie.
 

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