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hightor
 
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Fri 23 Feb, 2018 03:33 am
@McGentrix,
https://www.postalexam.com/articles/details/special-benefits-for-military-veterans
hightor
 
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Fri 23 Feb, 2018 04:46 am
Very interesting account here:

How A Russian Troll Factory Waged An Aggressive Campaign To Disrupt The U.S. Election
Quote:
So, you know, it's hard to even get your mind around this, but these are people - Russian citizens - sitting in St. Petersburg, 4,000, 5,000 miles away, calling people to rallies, saying, you know, be at such and such a place at 1 p.m. on Saturday for a rally on so and so. And in many cases people actually showed up. You know, Facebook has sort of gradually become a little more transparent about this. Took them a long time to acknowledge any of this had happened, but they have said that 13 of these Russian Facebook pages called a total of 129 rallies, that about 338,000 different Facebook users viewed these events, the calls to these events, and about 62,000 Americans at least said on Facebook that they planned to go to one of these events. So you have people, Americans, being manipulated from thousands of miles away by people who they assumed to be fellow activists but are actually these Russian trolls.

Fresh Air

revelette1
 
  4  
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 07:12 am
@hightor,
Kind of makes the Soros charge from the right to the left seem laughable in comparison.
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revelette1
 
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Fri 23 Feb, 2018 07:14 am
Mueller’s new indictment of Manafort and Gates, explained (Vox)
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Olivier5
 
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Fri 23 Feb, 2018 07:19 am
@hightor,
Great interview, many thanks.
McGentrix
 
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Fri 23 Feb, 2018 07:23 am
@hightor,


That's not what Lash was speaking about. Veterana's have lots of benefits when applying for civil service jobs.

Lash said that veterans were the ones that used to go around shooting up post offices back in the decade where that was a common thing. That is the link I am interested in seeing.
blatham
 
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Fri 23 Feb, 2018 07:32 am
@nimh,
I wrote
Quote:
I don't see any good reason to presume that there is some change in culture caused by an increase in mental health issues. If that were the case, it would show up across society and would surely have caught the attention of mental health professionals and those responsible for monitoring health issues in the country
.
nimh wrote
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I'm not sure this is just a matter of availability.. There seems to be something simultaneously more specific and broader going on.

Let's begin with a clarification. When I use the term "mental health" here, I mean to refer to structural anomalies or changes in the brain - schizophrenia, drug-induced psychosis, post-partum depression, etc, differentiated from emotional disturbances engendered in some social context - fear of a barbarian attack, a relationship failure, bullying, hopelessness from listening to country and western song lyrics day after day, etc.

If we broaden the term to include the latter category (and we commonly do) things get much foggier, particularly in trying to discern what's going on and the causes of it. For example, increased alcohol or drug use in some community where a traditional livelihood is lost (coal mining, Atlantic fishing, assembly line work. When I was speaking of "causality", that was what I meant. Obviously social conditions can and do foster emotional disturbances (this is probably the fundamental reason I subscribe to an ethics and politics of caring for others who are in trouble). Such social facts are in place along with availability. As the article I posted yesterday or day before noted, fentanyl out of China is an obvious causal factor.

This may all seem an unimportant distinction but I think it is because political strategies to deal with such phenomena will necessarily be different.
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hightor
 
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Fri 23 Feb, 2018 07:35 am
@McGentrix,
Well they do seem to commit mass murders at a rate more than double their percentage in the general population. It would be surprizing to see a similar rate among postal workers who are vets.
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As anthropologist Hugh Gusterson noted in The New York Times last year, more than a third of the 43 worst mass killings in the United States between 1984–2016 were perpetrated by veterans, though vets never exceeded 13% of the population during that period.
blatham
 
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Fri 23 Feb, 2018 07:38 am
@revelette1,
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I hope we have more and more whiny teens brave enough to take on folks such as your self.
I wonder if there is any quicker or more accurate means of assessing a person's political stance than looking at who they describe and include as "whiners" and who they exempt.
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hightor
 
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Fri 23 Feb, 2018 07:41 am
@Olivier5,
You're welcome — I've been quite reticent to make any claims about the actual effect of meddling and whether it depressed the Clinton vote but it's really starting to look as if that may have been the case.
blatham
 
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Fri 23 Feb, 2018 07:44 am
@hightor,
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There's an underlying malaise all right — but it's nothing new. Chronic un- or under-employment, broken dreams, deteriorating neighborhoods, and environmental destruction have plagued inner city residents for generations. It's just that it's been democratically extended and introduced to other parts of the country, to other ethnicities, with newer, more powerful, more convenient, more accessible poisons. And at the base of it is the pursuit of corporate profits above all else. I know that sounds crude but it seems to make the most sense. And always has.
Yes, availability is a clear factor and the profit-above-all ethos is a significant causal factor (which applies far more broadly than to just drugs and alcohol).
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oralloy
 
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Fri 23 Feb, 2018 07:44 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Well they do seem to commit mass murders at a rate more than double their percentage in the general population. It would be surprizing to see a similar rate among postal workers who are vets.
Quote:
As anthropologist Hugh Gusterson noted in The New York Times last year, more than a third of the 43 worst mass killings in the United States between 1984–2016 were perpetrated by veterans, though vets never exceeded 13% of the population during that period.

The left's war on veterans' rights is shameful.
hightor
 
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Fri 23 Feb, 2018 07:55 am
@hightor,
Quote:
It would be surprising to see a similar rate among postal workers who are vets.

And what I meant to say was that it would not be surprising....
blatham
 
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Fri 23 Feb, 2018 07:56 am
@hightor,
My god I have trouble reading Adorno. He writes in a style that I often as not find impenetrable.
Quote:
Adorno wrote:
The phrase, the world wants to be deceived, has become truer than had ever been intended.
No quarrel here. I've made the argument before that Trump is following a discourse model that looks pretty identical to what wrestling promoters do - having ascertained with some accuracy what it is their audience wants. The wrestling audience doesn't want the truth about what is happening in the ring. That is the last thing they want.
hightor
 
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Fri 23 Feb, 2018 07:56 am
@oralloy,
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The left's war on veterans' rights is shameful.

Seems to be a non sequitur — where does the comment refer to a "war" on veteran's rights?
blatham
 
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Fri 23 Feb, 2018 08:04 am
@hightor,
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July 18, 1984 when James Huberty massacred 21 people at a McDonald's restaurant.
Excuse me but I'll quickly note something here very much a side issue. When the children who had been in that McDonalds when this shooting happened were later given trauma counselling, one child described in some detail what he had witnessed as he hid under a table. Subsequent study of the security camera footage revealed that this child had not been inside during the shooting but had been in the playground. No slam on trauma counselling here but rather a slam on counsellors who feed ideas into a malleable mind. The Recovered Memory movement demonstrated the dangers of this in an acute manner.
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hightor
 
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Fri 23 Feb, 2018 08:15 am
@blatham,
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He writes in a style that I often as not find impenetrable.

Don't I know it! It's work.

But have you tried reading Heidegger? Cool
blatham
 
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Fri 23 Feb, 2018 08:17 am
@nimh,
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I wonder if there's an equivalent internationally. The erosion or dismantling of welfare state provisions in Europe has made some of the wealthiest populations of the world a little more like everyone else. Evening out the playing ground?
I like that post a lot, nimh. This is something I've been thinking about for a long time. Wealthy and powerful western mercantile nations have done very well over the last five centuries or so doing the rape and pillage thing throughout the 'third world'. But in the process, we've set up the structures or systems that allow those populations to see us too. Why would they not want what we enjoy? And how could this not lead to an inevitable leveling of privilege, wealth and power?
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oralloy
 
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Fri 23 Feb, 2018 08:17 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Seems to be a non sequitur — where does the comment refer to a "war" on veteran's rights?

This stuff about veterans being violent started as justification for depriving them of their rights:
http://able2know.org/topic/355218-2130#post-6601265
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blatham
 
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Fri 23 Feb, 2018 08:19 am
@izzythepush,
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the Florida children are a bloody inspiration.
They are.
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