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blatham
 
  3  
Fri 6 Jan, 2017 04:45 pm
Re-writing history item # 571

Quote:
President-elect Donald Trump said in a statement Friday that he had "tremendous respect" for the work of the intelligence community, despite weeks of tweets and other comments doubting intelligence agencies' conclusion that Russia, through cyberattacks, sought to interfere with the 2016 presidential election.

His statement, which came after he received an intelligence briefing on Russian hacking, nonetheless declared that "there was absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election including the fact that there was no tampering whatsoever with voting machines."
LINK

Obviously, that claim "I have tremendous respect" for intel agencies is worthy of loud ridicule. The "absolutely no effect on outcome of election" is simply a falsehood because that is not known, if even knowable. He's just lying. The voting machines addendum is interesting but there really was not much serious concern about this possibility so that looks to be an attempt to divert attention.

His statement (included in piece) lumps Russia in with "China, other countries, outside groups" avoids any real admission of Russia's unique role here nor any address to their desire to get Trump into the WH or his prior statements of support for Putin or prior statements on the explicit and implicit charges of incompetence and partisan bias in these agencies.
Baldimo
 
  -2  
Fri 6 Jan, 2017 04:55 pm
@maporsche,
I'm sure they would point to the RNC not wanting DT to get the nod as candidate. The difference being they failed and the people kept control of their party.
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Fri 6 Jan, 2017 04:56 pm
@nimh,
I also agree that Comey played a huge role in our election, and should have lost his job.
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blatham
 
  2  
Fri 6 Jan, 2017 04:59 pm
I had not paid any attention at all to Evan McMullin. But after listening to a discussion between him and Brian Beutler I'm definitely going to start paying attention. A very smart, level-headed guy with an impressive resume. He is a Ryan style conservative (which I'm definitely not) but in any case, he's a conservative with whom one could have a very valuable discussion (as Beutler has done here). Highly recommended!
Listen or download here
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farmerman
 
  4  
Fri 6 Jan, 2017 05:00 pm
@blatham,
OH MOY GAWD . TRUMP had help winning the election?. OH WILL HIS MASSIVE EGO STAND KNOWING THIS??
blatham
 
  2  
Fri 6 Jan, 2017 05:05 pm
@farmerman,
I expect he's actually delighted that Putin was and is on his side. But he would have won massively anyway, of course.
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blatham
 
  2  
Fri 6 Jan, 2017 05:15 pm
Look at this:

Quote:
President-elect Donald J. Trump acknowledged the possibility on Friday that Russia had hacked a variety of American targets, including the Democratic National Committee, after an almost two-hour meeting with the nation’s top intelligence officials.


and this:
Quote:
But just hours before, the president-elect had attributed claims of Russian hacking to embarrassed election-year rivals, calling the storm surrounding the cyberattacks a political witch hunt being carried out by his adversaries, who he said were embarrassed by their loss to him in the election last year.
[/b] More here if you have the stomach

And check out this portion of an interview done by Chris Cuomo with Kellyanne Conway. Cuomo asks "why would Trump shelter Russia?" Her response is illuminating. "He's not sheltering Russia, and don't you say that again". Then she launches into the irrelevancy of asking Cuomo to list what Obama did re Russia. Because she really doesn't want to talk about the point Cuomo raised http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/kellyanne-conway-chris-cuomo-fight-233279
georgeob1
 
  -2  
Fri 6 Jan, 2017 05:36 pm
@blatham,
Sounds to me like he listened to teh Intelligence folks but may still be a bit skeptical of their integrity and freedom of action. This seems at least plausible to me in view of the fact that these folks not long asgo asserted that they "had no evidence" that Hillary's e mail server was hacked by the Russians, or anyone else, and have just recently told us that they are certain the DNC's server was indeed hacked by the Russians, but for security reasons they don't want to divulge how they know that. In view of these contradictory responses coming from an administration that has thoroughly politicized almost every organ of the Executive Department of our government, that skepticism seems reasonable and prudent to me.

As to the "sheltering Russia" question, Cuomo was trying to put words in Conway's mouth, and she was right to reject the question.
blatham
 
  1  
Fri 6 Jan, 2017 06:00 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Sounds to me like he listened to teh Intelligence folks but may still be a bit skeptical of their integrity and freedom of action.

That sounds to me like your own rationalization of his behaviors. But he has said that he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and his supporters would not be bothered.

Quote:
As to the "sheltering Russia" question, Cuomo was trying to put words in Conway's mouth, and she was right to reject the question.

She was asked an entirely valid question given Trump's behaviors and statements. He was asking her to explain why Trump remains so reluctant to single out Russia and to indite it for it's role here even now, even given all the evidence that verifies Russia's role and motives. It was exactly the right question to ask. But it was exactly the wrong question to ask from the viewpoint of a spokesperson absolutely intent on not going, truthfully, anywhere near the substantive issue involved. Her "don't say that again" underlines not merely her attempt to intimidate but to avoid exactly that question. Then her shift of focus to Obama was, as I said, irrelevant, and an attempt to distract. You know this one, as you do it too.
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blatham
 
  2  
Fri 6 Jan, 2017 06:12 pm
@georgeob1,
And let's add to the above - shall we please - that Trump has been insisting for months that he believes Putin's denials.

I mean, for the love of god, george.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Fri 6 Jan, 2017 06:14 pm
@blatham,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2017/01/06/daily-202-donald-trump-isolates-himself-by-living-in-a-state-of-denial-on-russia/586efd5ce9b69b36fcfeafa9/

Yea. I marked you back up. Wink
blatham
 
  1  
Fri 6 Jan, 2017 06:26 pm
We've all seen the recent chorus of conservatives saying that what is important about the Russian hacks of DNC information was that they revealed the "truth" of things. The hacking itself and the publishing of documents etc is not what's important.

Then, last night after NBC News reported that a senior intel official had confirmed that they'd picked up senior Russian officials celebrating Trump's win, Trump tweeted:
Quote:
"How did NBC get 'an exclusive look into the top secret report he (Obama) was presented?' Who gave them this report and why? Politics!"

Then this morning:
Quote:
"I am asking the chairs of the House and Senate committees to investigate top secret intelligence shared with NBC prior to me seeing it."

What the **** would it matter if NBC saw it first? And why the hell hadn't this turkey been involved enough in getting himself fully briefed in the first place.

As Steve Benen writes:
Quote:
It's a curious posture. Trump doesn't want Congress to investigate a foreign adversary subverting American democracy on his behalf, but he does want Congress to investigate a news organization -- in this case, NBC News -- reporting details he doesn't like.


This is not how a responsible in-coming President or sitting President ought to think or act. It is how an authoritarian thinks and acts.

We don't know how much damage this guy is going to do but we do know that a hell of a lot of the damage is going to be to the GOP.
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blatham
 
  3  
Fri 6 Jan, 2017 06:32 pm
@cicerone imposter,
It's a good piece, ci. Note this:
Quote:
Paul Ryan yesterday drew a distinction that Trump seems incapable of making. "Russia clearly tried to meddle in our political system. No two ways about it," the House speaker told reporters. He then argued that the hacking did not change the outcome of the election. "He won the election fair and square," Ryan said.

The first half is truthful and obvious. The last part is fallacious and PR.

The reason Ryan is playing it this way (along with many others) is because they believe they need to forward the notion of a legitimate election, unsullied by factors such as this, and not just a legitimate election but a "landslide" is to provide cover and justification for everything they want and plan to do, much of which has nothing like a majority of American's supporting.
blatham
 
  2  
Fri 6 Jan, 2017 06:38 pm
Roger Stone, sitting in at InfoWars
Quote:
ROGER STONE: It’s kind of interesting to me that the number one progenitor of this theory is CIA Director John Brennan. Brennan is a man who refused to be sworn in using the Bible, who has converted to Wahhabism, who has spent a substantial amount of time in that region, who personally cleansed the passport files of Barack Obama when he was preparing to run for a second term, and, quite frankly, if you believe my friend Wayne Madsen, and I do, is a mole, a Saudi mole. That is who is advocating and pushing the entire false narrative that the Russians have somehow hacked this election.
LINK

This is all normal. Trump appearing on InfoWars. Trump's friendship and long term alliance with Stone. All very normal.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 6 Jan, 2017 06:41 pm
@blatham,
They wish to start Trump with a clean slate, but many are predicting impeachment during his first months in office. That, I'd love to see!
I think that way, because I know Trump is a racial bigot, liar and scammer. There are plenty of articles to support this, and Trump would be the first one to sue them if it was a matter of "defamation of character." They aren't. They are true.
He even threatened suits that never happened and never will.
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RABEL222
 
  2  
Fri 6 Jan, 2017 07:08 pm
@tony5732,
Obama did OK considering the republican house said that anything Obama wanted they were against. Should I bother post all the republicans who said this? Of course not. The conservatives on this site will just deny that thats what they said.
RABEL222
 
  2  
Fri 6 Jan, 2017 07:14 pm
@blatham,
But Blatham. The conservatives dont care that Putin hacked the government because it got them a completely republican president, legislature, and supreme court. In republican eyes Putin went from a commie bastard to a fine Oligark like themselves.
tony5732
 
  -1  
Fri 6 Jan, 2017 10:30 pm
@RABEL222,
The unemployment rate liberals like to brag about didn't get better until we got a Republican house and Senate, if you want to make those sorts of claims.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Fri 6 Jan, 2017 11:44 pm
@tony5732,
Better still, although our economy has done better under democrats, it has much to do with factors outside the control of our government such as the cost of energy.
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tony5732
 
  -1  
Sat 7 Jan, 2017 03:49 am
@RABEL222,
How did the hacking influence the election? Did they crash our computers? Did they change votes? Did they inform the American people?
 

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