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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
Lash
 
  -2  
Mon 19 Feb, 2018 09:03 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

Lash wrote:

Mitt is trying to return to politics. Wouldn’t it be nice if Romney’s leftier, more intelligent Republicanism became the new normal for the GOP?


He'd still be WAAAAY to the right of any proposal Bernie would put on the table.

Romney wouldn't vote for any progressive policy you'd like to see implemented.

It would be nice to raise the level of conversation though.

This is my hope.
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revelette1
 
  3  
Mon 19 Feb, 2018 09:09 am
Tools of Trump’s Fixer: Payouts, Intimidation and the Tabloids (NYT)
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Walter Hinteler
 
  5  
Mon 19 Feb, 2018 09:48 am
Whatever it means and whatever the result will be, but Trump open to improving background checks, spokesman says
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maporsche
 
  4  
Mon 19 Feb, 2018 10:01 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Maybe we can goad him into it by the knowledge that he’ll totally hand Obama and Democrats they asses if he achieves meaningful change.


That's what we call a win-win right?
revelette1
 
  5  
Mon 19 Feb, 2018 10:22 am
I'll believe Trump will is open to better background checks until it comes down to actually working on it and he hears from all those on right who would oppose it and the NRA. He will claim the "dems" suggestions go too far or something and change his mind like he always does.
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Lash
 
  0  
Mon 19 Feb, 2018 10:46 am
@maporsche,
I had to laugh. Obviously, I accuse the Democrats of pretending to stand for better things, all the while ensuring they never happen.

I am more than a little pissed that they’ve gotten away with it for about 30 years.

In additional positive Trump thoughts,👹 I’m also mildly hopeful about the infrastructure plan Trump mentioned in the SOTU.

He mentioned the opioid generation being largely left behind of the tech era because they’re out in the middle of nowhere without the products of tech and the training and jobs to install and maintain it. I was surprised and hopeful about his plans to change that.

Wonder why we’ve waited so long to address this? And why a pseudo-Republican is the one seemingly stepping up?

Anyway, right now, it’s talk.
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revelette1
 
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Mon 19 Feb, 2018 11:06 am
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President Trump’s $200 billion plan to rebuild America upends the criteria that have long been used to pick ambitious federal projects, putting little emphasis on how much an infrastructure proposal benefits the public and more on finding private investors and other outside sources of money.

Unveiled on Monday, the infrastructure program that Mr. Trump has championed since the campaign is intended to attract a huge amount of additional money from states, localities and private investors. The goal is to generate a total pot of $1.5 trillion to upgrade the country’s highways, airports and railroads.

Those financial priorities are crystallized in the new guidelines established by the White House. The ability to find sources of funding outside the federal government will be the most important yardstick, accounting for 70 percent of the formula for choosing infrastructure projects. How “the project will spur economic and social returns on investment” ranks at the bottom, at just 5 percent.

In this new competition for federal funds, a plan to, say, build a better access road for a luxury development — a project with the potential to bring in more dollars from private investors — could have a strong chance of getting the green light. By comparison, a critical tunnel overhaul that has trouble getting new money might not be approved.

“Instead of the public sector deciding on public needs and public priorities, the projects that are most attractive to private investors are the ones that will go to the head of the line,” said Elliott Sclar, professor of urban planning and international affairs at Columbia University. “Private investors will become the tail that will wag the dog, because they’ll want projects that will give returns.”

Proposals intended to serve more impoverished communities that require more state and local money, including improving drinking water in a place like Flint, Mich., could be given short shrift. Financial investors may not see a big profit in such a project.

“A private corporation has a fiduciary obligation to make a profit. The government is supposed to be providing a public service,” Mr. Sclar said.



NYT

I am not sure this infrastructure proposal is very "democratically socialist."
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Lash
 
  -1  
Mon 19 Feb, 2018 11:38 am
I’m pretty sure nobody mistakes Trump for a socialist, democratic or otherwise. I hadn’t heard ideas to bring the rural folk into the present and supply jobs along with it (except from Bernie), so I allowed myself to hope.
BillW
 
  3  
Mon 19 Feb, 2018 12:09 pm
@maporsche,
Three things turned the 2016 election to tRump in the final days:

1) The Russian illegal hacking and illegal social media manipulation.
2) Comey declaring that the eMail investigation re: Clinton had been reopened. The final Comey notification that she was still not guilty of any crimes was late and received little broadcast announcement.
3) Clinton did not do and late campaigning in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennslyvania.

All three are marketing related! If any one of the three didn't happen, tRump would have been defeated. If all three hadn't of happened, it would have been a landslide for Hillary.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Mon 19 Feb, 2018 12:22 pm
@Lash,
Trump's plan is very similar to those of centre-right governments in Europe (or that of the conservative EU-commission from 2014).
georgeob1
 
  -1  
Mon 19 Feb, 2018 12:33 pm
@BillW,
BillW wrote:

Three things turned the 2016 election to tRump in the final days:

1) The Russian illegal hacking and illegal social media manipulation.
2) Comey declaring that the eMail investigation re: Clinton had been reopened. The final Comey notification that she was still not guilty of any crimes was late and received little broadcast announcement.
3) Clinton did not do and late campaigning in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennslyvania.

All three are marketing related! If any one of the three didn't happen, tRump would have been defeated. If all three hadn't of happened, it would have been a landslide for Hillary.



A very accurate encapsulation of the ongoing denial arguments of Democrats who can't accept the reality of the election outcome.

The three listed points are all indeed factors in the election outcome, but they are not necessarily the only or most significant ones affecting the truly unusual defeat of a highly favored representative of continuity with the previous Administration, in a contest with an emerging upstart, who in getting the Republican nomination, demonstrated a remarkable appeal to a new consensus of political views.

Bill has failed to consider the obvious question of just Why Hillary, and her well funded campaign, were so vulnerable to such minor errors and events.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Mon 19 Feb, 2018 12:37 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

I’m pretty sure nobody mistakes Trump for a socialist, democratic or otherwise.


He's a national socialist.
blatham
 
  2  
Mon 19 Feb, 2018 12:44 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Whatever it means and whatever the result will be, but Trump open to improving background checks, spokesman says

"everything is on the table"
"we haven't closed off the possibility"
"we're discussion this now but it is complicated"
"my mother in law thinks we should do it"

All are meaningless, as you suggest Walter.
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camlok
 
  1  
Mon 19 Feb, 2018 12:49 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
A very accurate encapsulation of the ongoing denial arguments of Democrats who can't accept the reality of the election outcome.


There is no logical reason for any free individual to accept anything that occurs in any democracy. Y'all live by so many little cloistered ideas, so many narrow minded pieces of nonsense.
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camlok
 
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Mon 19 Feb, 2018 12:51 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
He's a national socialist.


I think you should leave this type of political analysis alone, as it simply isn't your cup of tea, izzy.
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blatham
 
  4  
Mon 19 Feb, 2018 01:33 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
A very accurate encapsulation of the ongoing denial arguments of Democrats who can't accept the reality of the election outcome.
Did I mention that you really need to expand your information sources?

Of course, Clinton won the popular vote by nearly 3 million American voters. Trump's victory (a historical fact) was achieved by getting 80,000 votes in three states. Math question: which of those two figures is larger? (show your work) And as we know, Republicans have lost the popular vote in 5 of the last 6 elections (I think my memory is right on that). Trump won as a consequence of undemocratic oddities of the EC. I'm sure you wouldn't forward a denial argument on these? A much better (simpler, more obvious) example of denial would be Trump's and spokesperson's assessment on crowd size at the two inaugurations. Or his denial that he did not win the electoral college by a landslide, which he claims. Or Trump's and Fox's (and many other idiots') denials of Russian involvement in the election intending to damage Clinton (and Cruz and Rubio) so that Russia's desired candidate would succeed (or are you going to tell me that Russians' intentions are impossible to discern? Alert: you can propose this, again, but then you'd have to allow that everyone else in the world have no good reason at all to trust American intentions in the world)

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Bill has failed to consider the obvious question of just Why Hillary, and her well funded campaign, were so vulnerable to such minor errors and events.

All elections in the present are relatively close. It's why GOTV organizations are so key to election strategies. It's why voter suppression strategies have been put in place (by Republicans exclusively). It's why social media has become so important for campaigns. Obviously Bill or anyone else here has considered and tried to understand why the election turned out as it has. And I'll wager you haven't read Nate Silver's mathematical analysis on this question. Bill and many others here simply don't buy your thesis on how this came about. And that is not merely a consequence of your unjustified certainty you've got it right but because we read enough to understand where you get this thesis from.

There's no easy way for Bill or you or I to figure out with any certainty at all why this or any election turns out as it has. I don't believe Bill has said that russian involvement was the factor that led to Clinton's defeat. I've never claimed that and I don't know who has. Do you have a quote you can reference? But say someone has made this claim. Would it be a claim less credible than you or another stating that the Russian influence did NOT turn the election?

Edit: I see that on Saturday night, Trump said
Code:the results of the 2016 election were not impacted or changed by the Russians.


blatham
 
  3  
Mon 19 Feb, 2018 01:42 pm
Quote:
In honor of Presidents' Day, the New York Times published the results of an interesting survey today. Members of the American Political Science Association's Presidents and Executive Politics section -- 170 scholars, in total -- ranked each of the presidents from best to worst.

Here, for example, is the new top 10 list:

1. Lincoln
2. Washington
3. F.D. Roosevelt
4. T. Roosevelt
5. Jefferson
6. Truman
7. Eisenhower
8. Obama
9. Reagan
10. L.B. Johnson

And here's the list of the bottom 10:

35. Taylor
36. Hoover
37. Tyler
38. Fillmore
39. Harding
40. A. Johnson
41. Pierce
42. W.H. Harrison
43. Buchanan
44. Trump

...When the scholars are broken down by party affiliation, Trump ranks #44 among Democratic scholars, #43 among independents, and #40 among Republican scholars. In other words, according to scholars of every stripe, our current president is off to a truly abysmal start and is well on his way to historical ignominy.
Benen
hightor
 
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Mon 19 Feb, 2018 01:42 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Bill has failed to consider the obvious question of just Why Hillary, and her well funded campaign, were so vulnerable to such minor errors and events.

How many times in recent political history has a two term president been followed by the election of a member of his party? Truman and George H.W. Bush — the turnover phenomenon has been pretty consistent. After eight years in power a lot of people just believe it's time for a new team to clean up all the crap that accumulates over two terms. It's not a lock, but it tends to happen, so there's that.

Then, and it hardly has to be pointed out, HRC wasn't just some career politician — she'd been First Lady, her husband retained a certain amount of popularity, she'd served as a senator and as Secretary of State. And while it's great to have experience, it gives your opposition thirty years of grievances to plumb for possible weak points. She was viscerally hated by many on the right, who were more than happy to bring up all sorts of scurrilous charges (the "bodies") and when those wouldn't quite stick they brought up her philandering husband. And when that wouldn't quite do the trick, there was Benghazi...and Uranium One...and Wall Street.

Besides being hated by so many on the right, many on the left didn't feel particularly warm about her either. Maybe she wasn't progressive enough, maybe she insulted black street thugs who were killing innocent people in drive-by shootings, maybe she had a voice which grated or a lack of humor. Personally, I really resented the idea that she gained her stature through her marriage rather than having been a completely independent political operator.

She had strong support from some of the base, especially people who were energized by the idea of her being the first woman president, but obviously not enough to overcome the unanticipated challenge by Sanders and the discovery that people actually liked Trump. The DNC thought he'd have been the weakest of all the candidates but it was pretty obvious after he was still taken seriously following the second "debate" that we were witnessing a populist phenomenon.

In the months following the nomination the steady release of stolen e-mails, the emergence of totally fabricated lies (Pizzagate) and non-stories (Seth Rich) continued to plague her. YouTube was full 0f videos where she was made to look old, ill, and deranged all of which were hyped by the unconscionable behavior of Trump who had no compunction about spreading rumors, lies, and innuendo. This all energized his base, especially that unsophisticated element of spear carriers who crave spectacle and scandal. "Lock her up!"

The upshot, georgeob, is that she just wasn't that great a candidate. Where I disagree with you is this idea that going over these events like this means that anyone is in denial or doesn't accept the reality of the outcome. Yes, it was a surprise to many of us. I was pretty sure that Trump's boorish buffoonery would outweigh HRC's strong negatives, but that's because I foolishly retained some degree of faith in my fellow citizens' ability to make sober choices based on a more complex calculus than who can say the truly nastiest things about his or her opponent.
Quote:
Donald Trump is taking his criticism of Hillary Clinton into new territory.

The Republican front-runner mocked his Democratic counterpart for a “disgusting” bathroom trip she made during Saturday night’s debate, and said Barack Obama “schlonged” her in the 2008 primaries at a raucous rally here on Monday night.

For Trump — who comments often on Clinton’s penchant for pantsuits, has insinuated she is in a lesbian relationship with close aide Huma Abedin and insists she doesn’t have “the strength or the stamina” to be president — Monday’s remarks take his focus on her personal life to a new level of intimacy.

Remarking on Clinton’s late return to the podium after using the bathroom during a commercial break at this weekend’s Democratic debate, Trump said, “I know where she went. It’s disgusting. I don’t want to talk about it. It’s disgusting.”

Politico
Is anybody actually surprised at today's dysfunctional, scandal-ridden, reality TV show White House?
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BillW
 
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Mon 19 Feb, 2018 01:45 pm
@blatham,
I did say what Hillary failed to do to lose the election, she didn't do any late campaigning in Michigan, Wisconsin or Pennsylvania!
 

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