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blatham
 
  2  
Sat 17 Feb, 2018 09:23 am
@thack45,
Quote:
no one of consequence has called the bluff.
Few on the right, certainly. But the "crimes" Trump is guilty of and which he is trying to foist on to others, again, are the bread and butter of modern conservative rhetoric/propaganda.
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blatham
 
  2  
Sat 17 Feb, 2018 09:26 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Yes. This is a watermark. For anyone who might be interested in how modern propaganda gets done, just tune in to Fox now or to Trump's twitter account or listen to Paul Ryan.
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revelette1
 
  3  
Sat 17 Feb, 2018 09:28 am
@thack45,
It is because, according to MM which has links to original source, Rosenstein didn't quite say that.

Quote:

Conservatives from Hannity and the RNC on down are conveniently ignoring the fact that this is just one indictment from an investigation that is still ongoing. The indictment indicates that Trump-associated political operatives were unwitting participants in this specific series of alleged criminal activities. It does not say that the illegal actions it describes encompass the entirety of the Russian election-meddling campaign. There very well may be more indictments on the way, and they could be related to known instances of Russian interference that today’s indictment didn’t touch on at all: the hacking of the DNC’s emails, the July 2016 Trump Tower meeting, etc.


During his press conference announcing today’s indictment, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein was extremely careful and unfailingly precise in how he described the involvement by Americans in the alleged Russian criminal conspiracy. “There is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity,” Rosenstein said (emphasis added). When asked what relationship Trump campaign officials had to the Russian conspiracy, Rosenstein again applied the same precise language. “There’s no allegation in this indictment that any American had any knowledge.”


MM
blatham
 
  2  
Sat 17 Feb, 2018 09:28 am
From James Risen at The Intercept
Quote:
IS DONALD TRUMP A TRAITOR?
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blatham
 
  4  
Sat 17 Feb, 2018 09:35 am
A good reminder
Quote:
Steven Greenhouse
‏@greenhousenyt
Let's not forget that the reason we didn't learn about this before Election Day 2016 was that Mitch McConnell blocked a bipartisan effort to make the public aware of Russian interference.


Really a principled crowd, the GOP. Only the best people.
blatham
 
  2  
Sat 17 Feb, 2018 09:37 am
Hannity last night

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWNFPVAW0AAB_WD.jpg
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revelette1
 
  3  
Sat 17 Feb, 2018 09:52 am
@blatham,
I wish that guy would retire to nice old age home.
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ehBeth
 
  3  
Sat 17 Feb, 2018 11:07 am
@thack45,
thack45 wrote:

This is one bit that caught my eye too. And it confuses me how Rosenstein can then say, "There is no allegation in the indictment that any American was a knowing participant in the alleged unlawful activity."

Maybe I'm missing something there, but it doesn't add up


he repeated 'this indictment' several times

he didn't say the investigation was over
he didn't say there was nothing in other indictments (some of which apparently are out there, locked up, already)

Gates' push to get a deal.
The Manafort thing going on right now.
Kushner submitting new information in the last couple of weeks.

Things are still moving forward.
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glitterbag
 
  4  
Sat 17 Feb, 2018 12:06 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

This dude has become a very scummy little worm
Quote:
Tucker Carlson blames Trump/Russia investigation for keeping FBI agents "too busy to stop school shootings"
MM
And this makes sense because the FBI has a meager staff of 30-40 thousand.


Tucker Carlson should be ashamed of himself.
blatham
 
  4  
Sat 17 Feb, 2018 12:20 pm
@glitterbag,
Inevitably, Fox makes bad people worse. Everything Murdoch touches turns to crap. It's sobering to recognize how much destruction in the world can be brought about by one sociopath.
Brandon9000
 
  -3  
Sat 17 Feb, 2018 12:37 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
...Further, the "outlandish partisan attacks, wild and false allegations, and far-fetched theories" is straight propaganda - most of the reporting/analysis on Russian meddling has proved amazingly accurate.

Certainly subjective, unprovable statements. Trump is merely maintaining, and correctly, I think, that the majority of the news media slant their reports against him and periodically have to withdraw accusations that turn out to be demonstrably false.
thack45
 
  4  
Sat 17 Feb, 2018 12:45 pm
@blatham,
The only thing missing were a few rolls of paper towels

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MontereyJack
 
  4  
Sat 17 Feb, 2018 01:06 pm
@Brandon9000,
Trump lies, distorts, mischaracterizes or outright invents something out of whole cloth an average of nearly six times a day. That has been documented. Every time he opens hias mouth it's pretty good odds something untrue is going to come out of it. Reporting that is unbiased reporting. Every time he says something untrue and the media don't call him on it, that is biased reporting FOR Trump, and he get away with the falsehoods the great majority of the time. If there is any bias, it is in effect bias FOR Trump in the name of "balance".
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Sat 17 Feb, 2018 01:43 pm
@MontereyJack,
students across the country think their basic American rights to life, liberty and the ppursuit of happiness are more important than som sick gun nuts alleged "right" to a weapon to kill doens with. And they're right. And they want Congress to get off the pot and actually DO somethin about it. Look out, orqalloy, some of them will be voting in 2018 and most of them will be of age to vote in 2020, and they don't like the way you interpret the Constitution.
Quote:
Students to Boycott Schools Until Congress Acts on Guns
In response to Wednesday's school shooting in Florida, high school students and teachers across the country are planning walkouts this spring to push Congress to act on guns.
On Twitter, students used the hashtags #NationalSchoolWalkout, #April20 and #April20Walkout to plan mass boycotts on the anniversary of the Columbine High School shooting on April 20, 1999, as well as a separate walkout on March 14. Thousands have signed a petition from the Twitter account "National School Walkout." The goal: to make Congress listen to a population that, for the most part, doesn't have voting rights.
"Nothing has changed since Columbine," reads the petition on change.org. "Let us start a movement that lets the government know the time for change is now."

© REUTERS/Jonathan Drake 02_17_SchoolShooting
It's unclear where, exactly, the movement started, and there's a separate school walkout planned for March 14, which was circulated by the Twitter account "Women's March Youth." That walkout will last for 17 minutes, to honor the 17 victims in the Parkland, Florida, shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

"Enough is enough!" the post reads. "Women's March Youth EMPOWER is calling for students, teachers, and allies to take part in a #NationalSchoolWalkout for 17 minutes at 10am on March 14, 2018."
On a Facebook event page with thousands of attendees, organizers of the Women's March urged not only students but also parents, teachers and administrators, to join in for the 17 minutes.
"Parents have the right to send their kids to school in the mornings and see them home alive at the end of the day," they wrote.
It's a call to action from a demographic that has been vocal during this week's tragedy. Twitter accounts from classmates of those killed on Wednesday featured strong words for anyone who doubted the need for gun laws. In a response to a tweet from President Donald Trump offering "thoughts and prayers" for the victims, a student of the high school tweeted: "Why was a student able to terrorize my school mr president."
Brandon9000
 
  -3  
Sat 17 Feb, 2018 04:13 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Trump lies, distorts, mischaracterizes or outright invents something out of whole cloth an average of nearly six times a day. That has been documented. Every time he opens hias mouth it's pretty good odds something untrue is going to come out of it. Reporting that is unbiased reporting. Every time he says something untrue and the media don't call him on it, that is biased reporting FOR Trump, and he get away with the falsehoods the great majority of the time. If there is any bias, it is in effect bias FOR Trump in the name of "balance".

Please cite, say, two dates when he lied six or more times and state the lies or else withdraw the assertion. It should be easy if, as you assert, this happens every day. Secondly, your statement that the media has a bias for Trump is unproven, and, I believe, false.
roger
 
  2  
Sat 17 Feb, 2018 04:30 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Builder wrote:

I don't know what you mean with "PTB" - certainly not pulmonary tuberculosis (my father was the head physician of two related clinics), or the Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt (an acquaintance worked there and I could visit some institutes).


Powers That Be.
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camlok
 
  -1  
Sat 17 Feb, 2018 04:40 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
It's sobering to recognize how much destruction in the world can be brought about by one sociopath.


Multiply that by the number of sociopaths and psychopaths in every US administration since WWII and then you get an idea of how the poor of the world have been so badly abused.

But you seem to just want to whine about political parties.
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camlok
 
  0  
Sat 17 Feb, 2018 04:42 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
Tucker Carlson should be ashamed of himself.


For being an American who provides cover for US war criminals/terrorists?

There's a lot of them around, glitter.
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MontereyJack
 
  3  
Sat 17 Feb, 2018 04:55 pm
@Brandon9000,
Brandon sez:
Quote:

Please cite, say, two dates when he lied six or more times and state the lies or else withdraw the assertion. It should be easy if, as you assert, this happens every day. Secondly, your statement that the media has a bias for Trump is unproven, and, I believe, false.


Wow, now there is the world's easiest challenge to win. Piec o' cake.
Obama wa born in Kenya. LIE repeated numerous times for a year.
The Central Park Five should

The Central Park Fivef were guilty of murder--repeated 16even after they were found innocent. Published in a full page ad in the NYT

He wonthe 206 election popular vote beaucs three millon illegal immigrants voted for Hillary. Totally bogus. ZERO EVIDENCE

His health plan will be beautiful--cover everybody, cost less, and cover more. Repeated promise on the camaign trail. The health plans he's baced so farall cost more, cover less,, and would cause millions of people to lose their health insurance.

Znd of course the one voted 2017
MontereyJack
 
  4  
Sat 17 Feb, 2018 04:59 pm
@Brandon9000,
Brandon sez:
Quote:

Please cite, say, two dates when he lied six or more times and state the lies or else withdraw the assertion. It should be easy if, as you assert, this happens every day. Secondly, your statement that the media has a bias for Trump is unproven, and, I believe, false.


Wow, now there is the world's easiest challenge to win. Piec o' cake.
Obama wa born in Kenya. LIE repeated numerous times for a year.


The Central Park Five were guilty of murder--repeated 16even after they were found innocent and were exoneerted. Published in a full page ad in the NYT

He won the 206 election popular vote beaucs three millon illegal immigrants voted for Hillary. Totally bogus. ZERO EVIDENCE

His health plan will be beautiful--cover everybody, cost less, and cover more. Repeated promise on the camaign trail. The health plans he's backed so far all cost more, cover less,, and would cause millions of people to lose their health insurance.

Znd of course the one voted 2017 Lie of the Year: "The Trump-Russia thing is a made-up story", he maintained there had been no contact with Russia bbefore the election right up to January, when the unending stream of contacts with Russia became apparent.

The NYT compiled a list of 1500 lies, omissions, distortions and evidenceless allegations Trum made. That list was about three months ago. He must be well over 2K by now. Ready to concede yet,Brandon?
 

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