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ehBeth
 
  2  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 10:51 am
some names to remember

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20140623/alert-governor-rick-scott-makes-history-signing-5-pro-gun-bills


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It was a great session, marred only by the defeat of SB-296/HB-209 by Sen. Jeff Brandes and Rep. Heather Fitzenhagen. This was the bill to allow law-abiding citizens to carry their firearms with them during a mandatory evacuation under a declared state of emergency, rather than leave them in their homes for theft by looters or destruction by hurricanes or other disasters.

However, the Florida Sheriffs Association and numerous anti-gun sheriffs fought to kill the bill.

They were not successful in their efforts in the House, because Representatives put your safety and your rights above anti-gun sheriffs who didn't support the rights of law-abiding gun owners.

However, in the Senate, Sen. Jack Latvala became the champion of the Florida Sheriffs Association and supported their efforts to kill this gun owner protection bill. Sen. Latvala pulled together a coalition of Republican Senators who were willing to sacrifice your rights and to pander to anti-gun sheriffs and help kill the bill.

Remember these names. Some are up for re-election this year. Some are not up for re-election until 2016. Do not forget them.

Sen. Jack Latvala (R) SD-20
Sen. Charlie Dean (R) SD-5
Sen. Nancy Detert (R) SD-28
Sen. Miguel Diaz de la Portilla (R) SD-40
Sen. Rene Garcia (R) 38
Sen. Denise Grimsley (R) SD-21
Sen. Alan Hays (R) SD-11
Sen. John Legg (R) SD-17
Sen. Garrett Richter (R) SD-23
blatham
 
  2  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 10:55 am
@ehBeth,
Quote:
maybe
Yes. But we do know, from our experiences, that the GOP will behave as I said. It's what they have been doing for decades - regardless of polls. And it has worked for them.

And yes, getting sane voters to the voting booth is absolutely critical. That's the only way something changes, I think, without further decline in US civic life and quite possibly a civic catastrophe.
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ehBeth
 
  5  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 10:58 am
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWFz40TU8AAel5d.jpg:large
blatham
 
  2  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 11:19 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
Its gonna be generationally achieved
That's the hope. But I'm not confident. It's been more than a hundred and fifty years since publication of On The Origin of Species and though reason has made great progress over fevered imaginings and threats of Satan walking the earth eating toasted babies, this is still a battle that is not over in America.
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Why did common sense stuff like this fail?
We know the answer here - it is the organizational sophistication, wealth and political power of the NRA in association with a corrupt political party and with other powerful business entities (the Koch crowd, mainly) that have gained political power through working together to achieve disparate but similar ends.

Not sure if I mentioned this before but when Canadians were debating the long gun registry, Charlton Heston came up to BC to rouse Canadians to this threat to their liberty (God-given right to bear arms...Jesus talked about this a lot). What he was actually doing was trying to prevent Canada from standing as an exemplar of effective and non-liberty-threatening gun regulation. We were too close to the US geographically and culturally.
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blatham
 
  2  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 11:20 am
@ehBeth,
Today's entry in the Big ******* Surprise category
Quote:
and #45 doesn't mention guns in his prayers and thoughts broadcast this morning
BillW
 
  2  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 11:28 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Today's entry in the Big ******* Surprise category
Quote:
and #45 doesn't mention guns in his prayers and thoughts broadcast this morning


Majority of people (as in, "WE THE PEOPLE") are for effective gun control; big mono political money (as in, "Citizen United") are for no control and more sales. $, read Fascist, win; people, read Democracy, lose!
blatham
 
  2  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 11:29 am
@ehBeth,
Interesting to compare Carter to Reagan. That's not even close to right wing media's portrayal of reality. Reverse engineer how that came about and we have another clear picture of how effective right wing propaganda has becomes.

By the by, Will Bunch's book "Tear Down That Myth" (on the very purposeful creation of the Reagan myth story) is extremely good.
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Lash
 
  1  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 11:31 am
@Walter Hinteler,
If Hillary didn’t hawk heavy arms to murderous despots, her guns policy would be ok.
Lash
 
  1  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 11:32 am
@Walter Hinteler,
But thanks for another look at righteous Bernie. I enjoyed it. ❤️❤️✌🏻
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 11:33 am
on the table in the US Senate today

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWF8nmQVoAAiE4W.jpg:large

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/14/17013570/senate-immigration-proposal-charts

lots of good links @ vox
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 11:33 am
@Lash,
If Trump had shot the school up himself you'd still be blaming Obama and Mrs Clinton.
Lash
 
  1  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 11:34 am
@farmerman,
My gun opinion from 2004 is posted on this forum.

This is one opinion that hasn’t changed.
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Lash
 
  1  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 11:35 am
@camlok,
That was my first question. Very hypocritical.

I support a variety of common sense restrictions.
blatham
 
  2  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 11:37 am
@ehBeth,
"anti-gun Sheriffs"
Their favorite Westerns are the ones where the politically correct Sheriff is mowed down by the hired gunslingers who are more representative of American liberty and greatness.
blatham
 
  2  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 11:39 am
@ehBeth,
Good graph!
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 11:39 am
@blatham,
Don't you just lurve the NRA
Lash
 
  1  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 11:39 am
@farmerman,
I’m THE LEAST diverting poster here. Haha. You guys are constantly avoiding facts and fair comparisons.

Trump’s comments were appalling pablum to stroke evangelicals. He gave lip service to preventing mentally ill people from buying guns. I’m so sick of that noise. I don’t think anyone on either side of the aisle has any intention of doing anything about it.

izzythepush
 
  2  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 11:41 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

I’m THE LEAST diverting poster here.


That would be the case if this thread was about Mrs Clinton. It's not, it's about Donald Trump, and you do all you can to avoid discussing him.

If you want to discuss Mrs Clinton start your own bloody thread.
Lash
 
  -1  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 11:41 am
@izzythepush,
Ridiculous. Why does any president get a pass on eight years of inaction if it was such a big deal to him?

Your knee-jerk assumption that I have any defense for trump was your error. Everyone stands on their own merit.
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blatham
 
  2  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 11:42 am
@BillW,
Quote:
Majority of people (as in, "WE THE PEOPLE") are for effective gun control
In this issue as in quite a few others, it may simply no longer matter what the majority might prefer. I think that is not how power works.
 

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