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blatham
 
  1  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 10:00 am
@revelette1,
It's not a great leap from tough love over to tough patriotism. For the person's own good, he or she has to be physically manhandled to encourage him or her to behave as ordered.
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 10:05 am
@revelette1,
I don't know, but it does seem like you've made a cross for your own backs. It's something that can automatically attract protests regardless of who's in power or motivation.

I wouldn't feel comfortable doing anything like that or making anyone else do it. We don't have anything like that over here at all. Members of the armed services have to swear loyalty when they join up, but that's it, and they only have to do it the once.

Trying to get a bunch of British teenagers to swear loyalty to anything or anyone is how riots start.

I'm not saying it's wrong, but it's something I just can't get my head around.
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izzythepush
 
  3  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 10:09 am
@Lash,
Obama did try to inject some sanity into the debate on gun ownership. Trump has done exact opposite so he does bear some responsibility.

Quote:
Donald Trump has vowed to end the "eight year assault" on Americans' rights to bear arms, in the first speech delivered by a president to the National Rifle Association in more than three decades.

Mr Trump became the first president to address members of the country's most powerful gun lobby since Ronald Reagan in 1983, hoping to renew his standing among a conservative base wary after watching the President reverse course on a series of campaign promises.

"The eight-year assault on your Second-amendment freedoms has come to a crashing end," Mr Trump said, referring to the presidency of Barack Obama, his predecessor.

"I will never ever infringe on the right of the people to keep and bear arms."

"You have a true friend and champion in the White House," he said. "No longer will federal agencies come after law abiding gun owners.

"No longer will the government be trying to undermine your rights and freedoms as Americans. We want to assure you of the sacred right of defence for all our citizens."

For Mr Trump, the speech was a chance to return to the campaign-style rallies that he seemed to so enjoy during the election.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/28/donald-trump-becomes-first-president-34-years-speak-national/
Lash
 
  -2  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 10:10 am
@maporsche,
Eight years to get a registry done...

If it was that big a deal to him, he would have put some energy into it.

He threw up a really tone deaf attempt at a registry at the end of his term, it seems, to make it look like he’d done something before he left. It makes it look like he didn’t want to risk negative public sentiment.

A more thoughtful attempt would likely have survived. Eight years.
camlok
 
  -1  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 10:11 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
In the 1943 West Virginia State Board of Education v Barnette Supreme Court decision, judges ruled that public school students cannot be compelled to stand during the pledge.


This is what the overload of US propaganda has done to brainwash USians. Most don't know **** about their own history or their beloved Kawnsteetwoshun. But they know the drivel that has been pounded into their heads since they were knee high to a grasshopper.

It has left a bunch of morons that are unable to fact reality, hard facts and least of all science. The folks who believe the USGOCT are of the mental prowess of the Intelligent Design folks.

There are even a large number of these same folks from other countries, like the war criminal UK, war criminal Germany [I thought they had learned their lesson], ... .
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blatham
 
  2  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 10:14 am
@farmerman,
I really don't know how this plays out. It seems likely that for the foreseeable future, the political advantages to the right from using guns/2nd A as a wedge issue is so effective that they aren't going to drop it. And if Trump continues to ramp up the enthusiasm/activism of the left (particularly if the power of women of the left grows) such that GOP power is seriously threatened, they'll surely try to drive that wedge issue deeper.
Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 10:26 am
@blatham,
Since Lash didn't mention at all in her recent post: Bernie Sanders on politics, Clinton and guns(full transscript)
farmerman
 
  6  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 10:28 am
@MontereyJack,
I wont respond to Oralloy about this issue. Hes gone into full mind lockdown and we are entertained by his seriatal clips where hes trying to sound cute.

We need people who actually can and will analyze and think about what is needs to be done. He aint one of them. Hes part of the problem.

We have had several congresses in a row that have DONE NOTHING.
farmerman
 
  5  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 10:29 am
@Lash,
Really?, you often try to sound a bit more intelligent than that

OH, I just went back nd read comments of others whove informed Lash about reality. Apparently shes a gun toadie too.
camlok
 
  -2  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 10:32 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
Hes gone into full mind lockdown and we are entertained by his seriatal clips where hes trying to sound cute.

We need people who actually can and will analyze and think about what is needs to be done


You have self described perfectly, farmerman. A full on admission that you are oralloy.
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blatham
 
  2  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 10:33 am
@Walter Hinteler,
One interesting comment in there:
Quote:
“I respect the importance of regulatory certainty for the business community.”
This is a handy device for decreasing the regulatory burden on business. First, the fewer regulations in place, the greater certainty for business planning and profit-taking. Full certainty comes with no regulations at all. Thus it becomes advantageous for business to work towards a situation where fewer and fewer stakeholders are involved in setting regulations and where businesses themselves have as great a role in fashioning laws, regs and policies as can be managed. All in the name of regulatory certainty.
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camlok
 
  -2  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 10:34 am
@farmerman,
You ought not to be pointing fingers; it's terribly hypocritical considering that you haven't sounded at all intelligent or scientific in your "discussions" about the science of 911.

Quote:
Apparently shes a gun toadie too.


How many guns do you have, farmerman?
ehBeth
 
  3  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 10:38 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
It seems likely that for the foreseeable future, the political advantages to the right from using guns/2nd A as a wedge issue is so effective that they aren't going to drop it.


maybe

https://gunsdownamerica.org/new-poll-safety-over-gun-rights/

Quote:
In our research, clear majorities favor “reducing the number of gun deaths” over “protecting” gun rights (59% vs. 41%). A significantly larger majority favor reducing gun deaths over “expanding” gun rights (75% vs. 25%), a phrase that more accurately frames the choice the public faces. Even gun-owning households fit this pattern. While two-thirds prioritize “protecting” rights, just 39% prioritize “expanding” rights.

Voters say more guns don’t make them feel safer

The public’s opposition to expanding gun rights is potentially related to another key finding: most people reject the claim that allowing more guns in public places would keep them safer. A majority say allowing more people to carry guns in public places like grocery stores, restaurants, sporting events would make them less safe (55%), while only 24% said it would make them feel safer. About a third of gun owners (32%) feel more guns would make them less safe.




the regular ~30% hardcore for #45 and guns

gotta get the vote out from the others
farmerman
 
  3  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 10:40 am
@blatham,
Its gonna be generationally achieved . I cant believe we are that stupid and able to be fully manipulated.
Could be wrong though.

The legislation that Oralloy was referring is a carefully titled piece of garbage that, having a few nifty bits of ecologically important issues, is mostly charged with more and more gun friendly BS.


In Pa we tried passing a "gun show(50 gun) limit on straw purchases of guns and NRA mounted a total full frontal attack on that with some phony "freedom is not free" crap and stuff that stirs the simple mind behind flqgs and slogans. So it failed

As did a deeper inquiry into medical stats and a requirement to report stolen or lost guns.

Why did common sense stuff like this fail?

ehBeth
 
  2  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 10:41 am
and #45 doesn't mention guns in his prayers and thoughts broadcast this morning



ehBeth
 
  3  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 10:43 am
The Associated Press

@AP
2m2 minutes ago

BREAKING: 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals declares Trump travel ban unconstitutional.
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farmerman
 
  3  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 10:44 am
@Lash,
Hows the Trump idea of "doing nothing" working for you?
You agree with the NRA??

Try staying with today. Dont try to divert attention from the most recent senseless killings
blatham
 
  1  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 10:46 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I for one would be terribly surprised if Lash's line of attack matched what right wing media voice rather than what Sanders has said. This would be unprecedented.
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 10:47 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Eight years to get a registry done...


Eight years which Trump described as an assault on gun ownership. Not only that, he made it easier for those with mental health problems to get guns.

Quote:
In February 2017, Trump signed a bill that undid a regulation from Barack Obama’s presidency which said the Social Security Administration would have to report certain mentally ill recipients and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database, NBC reports. The Obama Administration said the rule would have added 75,000 names to the database.


http://time.com/5011519/texas-church-shooting-mental-health-donald-trump/

Start blaming those who are responsible, Trump, and the NRA scum who elected him. I know as a white southern gal your kneejerk reaction is to blame the black guy, but it flies in the face of common sense. You're talking absolute bollocks, racist bollocks as well.
ehBeth
 
  2  
Thu 15 Feb, 2018 10:49 am
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
 

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