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BillW
 
  5  
Sat 3 Feb, 2018 09:44 pm
@Real Music,
Real Music wrote:

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Note also that a sitting president cannot be indicted.

That is still an open question. That has never been argued before the courts.


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Leon Jaworski and Ken Starr say they can indict, the Constitution is mute. It is already a constitutional crisis. tRump is making a mockery of this country, democracy and it laws.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/22/us/politics/can-president-be-indicted-kenneth-starr-memo.html
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layman
 
  -2  
Sun 4 Feb, 2018 01:50 am
The libel lawsuits against Fusion, Buzzfeed, and Steele are goin down like a crack ho. They'll all be bankrupt soon. Any chump who is still thinking that Steele's dossier could prove to be true should disabuse themselves of their truther tendencies, eh?:

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Christopher Steele hedges on linking Trump to Russia

While Mr. Steele stated matter-of-factly in his dossier that collusion between Mr. Trump and the Russian government took place, he called it only “possible” months later in court filings. While he confidently referred to “trusted” sources inside the Kremlin, in court he referred to the dossier’s “limited intelligence.”

In the dossier, he stated without reservation that an “extensive conspiracy between Trump’s campaign team and the Kremlin” existed.

In court filings this year, Mr. Steele doesn’t sound as confident as his dossier.

In one answer, Mr. Steele refers to the intelligence he gathered as “limited.” On the charge of collusion by Mr. Trump and his campaign advisers, he now says there was only “possible coordination.”

Mr. Steele’s libel defense is not truth.

He argues that he warned Fusion and reporters against making his memos public and never authorized their disclosure.


What a fuckin weasel, eh?
blatham
 
  2  
Sun 4 Feb, 2018 04:14 am
Paul Ryan. What a mensch. He's like Jesus, really. He cares about the little guy, he really does. That's why he has bestowed great blessings on your average Joanne. To show his deep empathy, he tweeted yesterday:
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“A secretary at a public high school in Lancaster, PA, said she was pleasantly surprised her pay went up $1.50 a week ... she said (that) will more than cover her Costco membership for the year”


And that's what he cares about. He doesn't care about the 1%ers who will make millions and millions and more millions. Not on his mind. That's why he didn't tweet about them.

ps... he deleted that tweet which means it never happened.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Sun 4 Feb, 2018 04:22 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Call her scum for bullying small nations.


That's what I did.
Lash wrote:

Don’t use her vagina against her by implying she’s ******* Trump. It’s nothing more than a low sexist smear.


I didn't do that, but as we've already agreed she's scum I don't see why I should bother defending her reputation. I don't know about her and Trump, but she is scum, and my opinion of her couldn't get any lower even if it emerged that she used to blow goats for Trump's amusement.
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blatham
 
  3  
Sun 4 Feb, 2018 04:53 am
Nothing you'll read today in politics will be more truthful, more important and more dangerous than the following:
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Mark Salter, a longtime McCain confidant and adviser, said the GOP has largely reached a stage “where nothing is more important than politics — everything is tribal, about winning.”
WP
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sun 4 Feb, 2018 04:54 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
And that's what he cares about. He doesn't care about the 1%ers who will make millions and millions and more millions. Not on his mind. That's why he didn't tweet about them.

ps... he deleted that tweet which means it never happened.
I think, he really wanted to point at the fact that this secretary was pleased - I doubt that those others will notice their pay goes up, since you really can overlook if it's in seven or eight digits.
Lash
 
  0  
Sun 4 Feb, 2018 05:03 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

What's to smear?

You’re aware I was responding to your question.
izzythepush
 
  5  
Sun 4 Feb, 2018 05:19 am
@Lash,
I wasn't completely clear, which is why I felt the need to point out I'd never said anything about her and Trump's alleged sexual relationship.

I don't think she has much of a reputation to defend, unlike Stormy Daniels, whose respectable career as a porn star has been dragged through the mud over smears linking her to Trump.
blatham
 
  3  
Sun 4 Feb, 2018 05:24 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Yes. He noticed her soaring delight and wanted to share it with the world. For about ten minutes. What a ******* asshole.
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blatham
 
  4  
Sun 4 Feb, 2018 05:27 am
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How democracies die, explained

There are images that come to mind when we imagine a democracy’s end. Democracies fall in coups and revolutions, burn in fires and riots, collapse amid war and plague. When they die, they die screaming.

Not anymore, argue Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt in their new book, How Democracies Die. In most modern cases, “democracies erode slowly, in barely visible steps.” They rot from the inside, poisoned by leaders who “subvert the very process that brought them to power.” They are hollowed out, the trappings of democracy present long after the soul of the system is snuffed out
Vox
oralloy
 
  -4  
Sun 4 Feb, 2018 06:03 am
@blatham,
The Democrats' subversion of our constitutional processes is indeed a grave threat. That is one reason why I advocate that the Democratic Party be outlawed in America.
hightor
 
  5  
Sun 4 Feb, 2018 06:14 am
@layman,
right-wing press wrote:
Christopher Steele hedges on linking Trump to Russia

I've noticed that some people like to post articles which uphold their viewpoint and then cleverly neglect to provide a citation because then everyone would immediately see that the sources are biased and lack credibility. This story's from the execrable Unification Church-owned Washington Times — I'd be embarrassed to cite it as a source too. Hell, I'd be embarrassed to even post it in the first place.
hightor
 
  6  
Sun 4 Feb, 2018 06:59 am
@oralloy,
We all know your position on the Democratic Party, Roy. It's not going to happen. And even if the party were outlawed, you'd still have millions and millions of former Democrats hanging around posing a possible source of political infection to the remaining parties. So I think you really need to forget about the outlawing the party and start a campaign to eliminate actual Democrats. It's the only way you'll be able to achieve a final solution to the vexing problem of political freedom.
revelette1
 
  4  
Sun 4 Feb, 2018 07:03 am
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Former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page bragged that he was an adviser to the Kremlin in a letter obtained by TIME that raises new questions about the extent of Page’s contacts with the Russian government over the years.

The letter, dated Aug. 25, 2013, was sent by Page to an academic press during a dispute over edits to an unpublished manuscript he had submitted for publication, according to an editor who worked with Page.

“Over the past half year, I have had the privilege to serve as an informal advisor to the staff of the Kremlin in preparation for their Presidency of the G-20 Summit next month, where energy issues will be a prominent point on the agenda,” the letter reads.

Page is at the center of a controversial memo from Republican Congressman Devin Nunes, released this week. The Nunes memo claims that in Oct. 2016 the FBI improperly received court permission to spy on Page, whom Trump had named as an adviser to his campaign in March 2016. The Nunes memo says the FBI based its request for eavesdropping permission on information provided by former British spy Christopher Steele while Steele was working for Democrats.

Former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page bragged that he was an adviser to the Kremlin in a letter obtained by TIME that raises new questions about the extent of Page’s contacts with the Russian government over the years.

The letter, dated Aug. 25, 2013, was sent by Page to an academic press during a dispute over edits to an unpublished manuscript he had submitted for publication, according to an editor who worked with Page.

“Over the past half year, I have had the privilege to serve as an informal advisor to the staff of the Kremlin in preparation for their Presidency of the G-20 Summit next month, where energy issues will be a prominent point on the agenda,” the letter reads.

Page is at the center of a controversial memo from Republican Congressman Devin Nunes, released this week. The Nunes memo claims that in Oct. 2016 the FBI improperly received court permission to spy on Page, whom Trump had named as an adviser to his campaign in March 2016. The Nunes memo says the FBI based its request for eavesdropping permission on information provided by former British spy Christopher Steele while Steele was working for Democrats.

At the heart of the debate is the question of who, exactly, is Carter Page. Trump’s defenders argue that he was simply a low-level consultant to the campaign who has overstated his role as an adviser as well as his Russian contacts. The Steele dossier claims that during a trip to Moscow in July 2016, Page held secret meetings with a senior Kremlin official and a senior Putin ally that included conversations about helping Trump and hurting Hillary Clinton in the presidential campaign. The Steele dossier does not identify its sources and Page has denied any wrongdoing.

In interviews with reporters over the past year, Page has given inconsistent accounts about his contacts with the Russians.

In January 2013, Page met a Russian diplomat named Victor Podobnyy at an energy conference in New York City, according to court documents. The two exchanged contact information, sent each other documents on energy policy and met several more times to discuss the topic, the documents allege. Two years later, in January of 2015, Podobnyy was charged in absentia — along with two other Russians — with working as a Russian intelligence agent under diplomatic cover.

Court records include a transcript of a conversation where Podobnyy talks about recruiting someone named “Male-1” by making “empty promises” about “connections in the [Russian] Trade Representation.” Page now acknowledges that he was “Male-1.” Podobnyy and one of the Russians had diplomatic immunity and left the U.S. The third Russian was arrested and eventually expelled from the U.S. in April 2017.

In messages to TIME after the Nunes memo was released, Page said that in the first nine months of 2013 he “sat in on and contributed to a few roundtable discussion with people from around the world.” He said the meetings started when one of Russia’s representatives was in New York at the United Nations. He provided an April 15, 2013, briefing document authored by Russian trade diplomat, Ksenia Yudaeva, on Russia’s priorities for a summit of the 20 richest countries in the world to be held in St. Petersburg in Sept. 2013. Page says he had subsequent similar meetings, describing them to TIME as “really plain-vanilla stuff.

Says Page, “Does that make me an evil villain, as some of your sources would like to have you think?” Page has not been charged with any crimes.

In June 2013, the FBI interviewed Page regarding his contacts with the Russians, Page says. The FBI believed that Russian intelligence services had attempted to recruit Page as an agent with promises of business opportunities in Russia, according to the 2015 court documents.

Page told the FBI at their June 2013 meeting that the officers might better spend their time investigating the Boston Marathon bombing, which had occurred the previous April, according to a letter Page sent to Democrats on Nunes’ committee last May. Page says that thereafter the FBI began a retaliatory campaign against him. According to published reports, the FBI obtained a first FISA warrant to eavesdrop on Page’s electronic communications during 2013. And they have been paying attention to him, on and off, ever since.

Two months after his meeting with the FBI, Page sent the letter claiming to be a Kremlin adviser. In addition to his work as an energy consultant, Page has studied and written on Russian affairs, and had submitted a book for publication by the academic press. Page felt frustrated by the fact that he had revised his manuscript about Russian relations is Central Asia and it had not been reviewed again, according to the editor who has worked with Page in the past and who requested anonymity due to the confidential nature of the matter.

The letter to the manuscript reviewer is not the first example of Page touting his relationship with Russia. McClatchy reported last year that in 2008, the U.S. Embassy in Turkmenistan sent a cable to the U.S. State Department describing how Page had met with government officials in the country, which was formerly part of the Soviet Union, about possibly working for their oil companies. The cable described how he touted his work with the Russian-run company Gazprom.

The editor said that Page’s views on Russia were notably different from other scholars. “He wanted to make the argument that we needed to look more positively at Russia’s economic reforms and Russia’s relationship with Central Asia,” says the editor. “I didn’t think it was so weird, it was just contradictory to most mainstream Russian specialist’s views.”

The editor thinks Page was ultimately harmless in terms of national security threats. “I would never have seen him in the center of concern like this, or playing a role or being seen as an intermediary between the Russian government and a political candidate,” the editor said. “He struck me just as someone who had developed some strange academic views … and wanted to have them published,” the editor says.

“I just came to see him as a kook,” the editor says.


TIME
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layman
 
  -4  
Sun 4 Feb, 2018 07:14 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

right-wing press wrote:
Christopher Steele hedges on linking Trump to Russia

I've noticed that some people like to post articles which uphold their viewpoint and then cleverly neglect to provide a citation because then everyone would immediately see that the sources are biased and lack credibility. This story's from the execrable Unification Church-owned Washington Times — I'd be embarrassed to cite it as a source too. Hell, I'd be embarrassed to even post it in the first place.


Heh, is there a single word in that which you claim to be untrue, Hi?

I didn't think so. Ya aint got nuthin.

For you, Pravda and the Daily Worker are "right wing," eh?
layman
 
  -2  
Sun 4 Feb, 2018 07:15 am
@hightor,
Very astute, Hi.
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revelette1
 
  4  
Sun 4 Feb, 2018 07:17 am
six-page rebuttal to the Nunes Memo from Rep. Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., the top Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee

If you don't want to open the pdf from the above link go here
Walter Hinteler
 
  5  
Sun 4 Feb, 2018 07:21 am
@layman,
layman wrote:
For you, Pravda and the Daily Worker are "right wing," eh?
You copied/pasted it from there? (Which Pravda? And to what paper do you refer with the antiquated name "Daily Worker"?)
layman
 
  -3  
Sun 4 Feb, 2018 07:28 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

You copied/pasted it from there? (Which Pravda? And to what paper do you refer with the antiquated name "Daily Worker"?)


You tell me, Walt, you're the commie.
Walter Hinteler
 
  5  
Sun 4 Feb, 2018 07:30 am
@layman,
layman wrote:
You tell me, Walt, you're the commie.
I have no idea - you didn't source your quote, that's why I asked.
(And I'm a member of the (German) Social-Democratic Party, not a "commie".)
 

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