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@Real Music,

This whole BLM started because of lies told in the Mike Brown shooting, there is a reason so many people do not take this movement seriously. Sorry but you won't gain sympathy when you try to use the Martin/Zimmerman shooting as justification for BLM.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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It really is amusing how since Trump was elected, lefties all found love for the FBI, CIA & NSA

It really is amusing how since Trump was elected, righties all found hatred for the FBI, CIA & NSA

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

A governmental institution does want to reveal corruption at it's highest levels

You got that opinion from what part of FBI's statement?
And do you think, the WH is doing the same? (See my earlier post)

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@Real Music,

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It really is amusing how since Trump was elected, righties all found hatred for the FBI, CIA & NSA

It wasn't when Trump was elected, it was when Obama started putting in partisan anti-American hacks into those positions. Recall a certain IRS scandal who targeted tea-party groups?

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@Baldimo,

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This whole BLM started because of lies told in the Mike Brown shooting, there is a reason so many people do not take this movement seriously.

I totally disagree with this entire statement.

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Sorry but you won't gain sympathy when you try to use the Martin/Zimmerman shooting as justification for BLM.

The Black Lives Movement goal is to bring attention and awareness. Before society as a whole can fix a problem, society as a whole must first acknowledge the problem. Only after society as a whole has acknowledge the problem, will the problem ever get addressed and fixed.

One side note: The truth is the Black Lives Movement did actually start as a result of the Martin/Zimmerman shooting.

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@Real Music,

Real Music wrote:

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It really is amusing how since Trump was elected, lefties all found love for the FBI, CIA & NSA

It really is amusing how since Trump was elected, righties all found hatred for the FBI, CIA & NSA

Don't forget that they 100% support the cops though, they rarely do wrong. FBI aren't cops and don't deserve support; they rarely do right.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

What I mean is that All Lives Matter...how tough is that to understand?

I include members of all races in that statement.

So someone comes to you as a member of the BLM movement. They're not violent or anything but they feel that the justice system is biased against them and they'd like to see it fixed. They explain that to you and finish with "...Black Lives Matter"

You respond with something along the lines of "I think that ALL lives matter, not just black ones, but I include members of all races."

Do you see, at all, how that could be viewed as a bit dismissive of the BLM member's concerns about the injustices and bias in our criminal justice system (that you recognize as being true)?....at all?

I get that you believe all lives matter (who doesn't?). The question though is why you feel that need to point that out to people who are protesting the injustices towards black people.

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@maporsche,

The use of excessive force and the abuse of police power is as old as police. It doesn't just affect blacks, the problem is much broader than that.

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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

I get that you believe all lives matter (who doesn't?). The question though is why you feel that need to point that out to people who are protesting the injustices towards black people.

maporsche, you need to understand that for White Supremacists they have a big problem only with the term "Black"! How dare a 13.3% of the population dare point out that they are being treated unfairly when they should really be happy that they even exist at all? They believe the argument should be when there will be an "Open Season" made legal.

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@BillW,

I'm not suggesting that Finn is a racist white supremacist.

I'm simply trying to understand his thought process and to see if he can step into the shoes of a BLM member and consider their viewpoint.

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@maporsche,

It's a group indictment. They have no ability or desire to see your/our point of view, it interrupts their "Nationalism". It's called conflagration.

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@BillW,

BillW wrote:

It's a group indictment. They have no ability or desire to see your/our point of view, it interrupts their "Nationalism". It's called conflagration.

Make that conflates even though conflagrate is also appropriate! They are trying to set devastating fires!

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All lives matter is a term used by racists to obfuscate, some knowingly, some not quite so. Black lives matter was a result of the disproportionate way Black people are killed by police officers. It's Black lives matter because it's Black people getting killed.

All lives matter is not some inclusive term, quite the reverse. It's a reaction to Black lives matter. It suggests that Black people are mistaken, that the fault, the prejudice is all theirs. The problem isn't about the police gunning down more Black suspects, it's about people in society not being nicer to each other.

It's bullshit, but it's easy for them to swallow because they can continue blaming Black victims, all the time pretending that they're the bloody victims.

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Black Lives Matter Platform

In recent years we have taken to the streets, launched massive campaigns, and impacted elections, but our elected leaders have failed to address the legitimate demands of our Movement. We can no longer wait. We have created this platform to articulate and support the ambitions and work of Black people.

DEMANDS

REPARATIONS
We demand reparations for past and continuing harms. The government, responsible corporations and other institutions that have profited off of the harm they have inflicted on Black people — from colonialism to slavery through food and housing redlining, mass incarceration, and surveillance — must repair the harm done. This includes:

1....full and free access for all Black people (including undocumented and currently and formerly incarcerated people) to lifetime education

2.Reparations for the continued divestment from, discrimination toward and exploitation of our communities in the form of a guaranteed minimum livable income for all Black people

3. Reparations for the wealth extracted from our communities through environmental racism, slavery, food apartheid, housing discrimination and racialized capitalism in the form of corporate and government reparations focused on healing ongoing physical and mental trauma, and ensuring our access and control of food sources, housing and land.

https://policy.m4bl.org/reparations/

It goes on. There are more "reparations" demands, and many other categories of demands, such as "Community Control," "Political Power," and "Economic Justice."

It's time to pay the **** up, honky.

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@hightor,

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F.B.I. Condemns Republicans’ Move to Release Secret Memo

The FBI seems to have forgotten who they work for. It'll probably be a painful lesson for them before it's all over.

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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

To change it to "all lives" is to deny that there needs to be a focus on the challenges black people are facing.

Not necessarily. But on the other hand, untrue claims should be denied.

maporsche wrote:

As someone else has said:
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To say that Black lives matter is not to say that other lives do not; indeed, it is quite the reverse—it is to recognize that all lives do matter,

To say Black Lives Matter is to say you want black people to be allowed to murder police officers with impunity.

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and to acknowledge that African Americans are often targeted unfairly (witness the number of African Americans accosted daily for no reason other than walking through a White neighborhood—including some, like young Trayvon Martin, who lost their lives) and that our society is not yet so advanced as to have become truly color blind.

Untrue claims should be rebutted, not acknowledged as if they were true.

Trayvon Martin was not accosted. He violently assaulted a neighborhood watch captain and was shot in self defense.

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This means that many people of goodwill face the hard task of recognizing that these societal ills continue to exist, and that White privilege continues to exist, even though we wish it didn’t and would not have asked for it. I certainly agree that no loving God would judge anyone by skin color.

There is no "white privilege". Black people are just going to have to accept that no one is going to let them murder police officers with impunity.

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@Real Music,

Real Music wrote:

Baldimo wrote:
This whole BLM started because of lies told in the Mike Brown shooting, there is a reason so many people do not take this movement seriously.

I totally disagree with this entire statement.

If this movement started earlier, it certainly erupted into prominence as a tantrum over the fact that this Brown thug was prevented from murdering a police officer.

Real Music wrote:

Baldimo wrote:
Sorry but you won't gain sympathy when you try to use the Martin/Zimmerman shooting as justification for BLM.

The Black Lives Movement goal is to bring attention and awareness. Before society as a whole can fix a problem, society as a whole must first acknowledge the problem. Only after society as a whole has acknowledge the problem, will the problem ever get addressed and fixed.

The "problem" in question is that society will not let black people murder police officers with impunity.

Society doesn't see this as a problem. We see it as a good thing that no one is allowed to murder police officers with impunity.

The supposed problem will not be acknowledged, and it certainly will never be fixed.

Real Music wrote:

One side note: The truth is the Black Lives Movement did actually start as a result of the Martin/Zimmerman shooting.

While Mr. Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch captain and not a police officer, this just shows that BLM goons are really about wanting black people to be able to murder authorities with impunity.

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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

Do you see, at all, how that could be viewed as a bit dismissive of the BLM member's concerns about the injustices and bias in our criminal justice system (that you recognize as being true)?....at all?

I get that you believe all lives matter (who doesn't?). The question though is why you feel that need to point that out to people who are protesting the injustices towards black people.

It is hardly an injustice that black people are not allowed to murder police officers with impunity.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

All lives matter is a term used by racists to obfuscate, some knowingly, some not quite so.

Hardly racist. Don't be silly.

izzythepush wrote:

Black lives matter was a result of the disproportionate way Black people are killed by police officers.

Nothing disproportionate about it. They are killed because they are trying to murder a police officer.

izzythepush wrote:

It suggests that Black people are mistaken, that the fault, the prejudice is all theirs.

Well, I wouldn't assume that BLM thugs spoke for all black people. But otherwise, yes. All of the fault and prejudice lies with the BLM goons who want to murder police officers with impunity.

izzythepush wrote:

The problem isn't about the police gunning down more Black suspects, it's about people in society not being nicer to each other.

If you don't try to murder people, you won't be killed in self defense.

Pretty straightforward really.

izzythepush wrote:

It's bullshit,

Not at all. Don't try to murder people = Don't get shot in self defense.

It really works.

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@Real Music,

That sounds like you are admitting to my statement.

You're wrong with yours of course.

Righties don't hate the FBI or CIA (NSA? Not sure about them. They really are a sneaking bunch spying on Americans all the time).

We have tremendous respect for the men and women who make up the rank & file of both agencies. What we are wondering about is whether or not their leadership is corrupt due to partisan politics and personal aspirations. So far, it looks to me like the answer to the questions is a resounding "YES!," but we'll soon know for sure.

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