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layman
 
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Fri 12 Jan, 2018 09:27 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Well, but generally - and especially here on A2K - Trump’s base uniformly supports his racist comments.
And their opinion is more important than the opinions of everyone else, isn't it?


"Racist," eh, Walt? How ya figure? Don't tell me, lemme guess:

1. You heard other cheese-eaters say it, and, furthermore
2. You can just "feel" it, instinctively.

Did you watch that "racist vs lyin" video I posted? This one here: https://able2know.org/topic/355218-1947#post-6574367

If ya did, ya never answered my question, eh?
ehBeth
 
  4  
Fri 12 Jan, 2018 10:03 am
I caved.

I retweeted Bill Kristol

Quote:


@BillKristol

Two weeks ago a 26-year old soldier raced repeatedly into a burning Bronx apartment building, saving four people before he died in the flames. His name was Pvt. Emmanuel Mensah and he immigrated from Ghana, a country Donald Trump apparently thinks produces very subpar immigrants.
layman
 
  -4  
Fri 12 Jan, 2018 10:07 am
@layman,
Suppose Trump had referred to them as "extremely impoverished nations," instead of "shitholes," eh?

Would he still be roundly condemned by the cheese-eaters? Sure.

In everyday lingo, "shithole" is just another way of sayin the same thing.

But it wouldn't give them the same liberty to play the role of a prude subjected to an EXTREME MORAL OUTRAGE, which is the kinda pretense they thrive on.

The phoniness and hypocrisy is self-evident, eh?
izzythepush
 
  4  
Fri 12 Jan, 2018 10:28 am
Quote:
Trump UK visit: who really sold the US embassy?

The claim: The Obama administration sold the US embassy in London for "peanuts".

The verdict: President Trump is right that the sale did take place during the Obama administration. The final amount was not disclosed but estimates of its value varied between £300m and £500m. However, the decision to move was taken when George W Bush was in the White House.

President Trump took to Twitter to announce he had cancelled a trip to the UK where he was expected to open the new US embassy building in London. He said it was because his predecessor Barack Obama sold the old building for "peanuts".

The US mission is moving to its new diplomatic headquarters in south London after decades in the site at Grosvenor Square.

The US government sold the lease for the old embassy to Qatari real estate group Qatari Diar, which plans to turn the building into a hotel.

So, was President Trump right about which president sanctioned the sale?

The building itself was never owned outright by the United States. It owned a 999-year leasehold, but the freehold is owned by Grosvenor Estates.

The decision to move away from the Grade II listed building to Nine Elms was taken by the George W Bush administration in October 2008, shortly before he left office.

The state department said it would begin construction on a new site in Nine Elms and the existing embassy was put up for sale immediately. It said it considered renovating the existing building but said the goal of moving to a secure, modern and environmentally sustainable site could best be met by moving.

Reports that the sale of the old building had been completed appeared in November 2009, under the Obama administration. So President Trump is correct in that sense.

It was reported in the Financial Times on 21 January 2009 that another Qatari firm had emerged as favourites to buy the building - a day after President Obama's inauguration - which means any final deal was agreed when he was in power.

Was it sold for "peanuts"?

It depends what you call peanuts. The final fee was not disclosed, but before negotiations began, the building was thought to be worth between £300m and £500m.

The building was designed by modernist architect Eero Saarinen and completed in 1957. It was given Grade II listed status because of its special facade. That means no changes can be made to the outside of the building.

There was a suggestion that had reduced the value, which, according to the Guardian, might have reached £500m.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42663977
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Fri 12 Jan, 2018 11:01 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Well, but generally - and especially here on A2K - Trump’s base uniformly supports his racist comments.

I don't know if I count as base really, but how can anyone (base or otherwise) support comments that don't even exist?

Trump has not made any racist comments to begin with.


Walter Hinteler wrote:
And their opinion is more important than the opinions of everyone else, isn't it?

Most likely.

The dunce confederacy certainly don't count for much. All they care about is attacking Trump for being smarter than they are.
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hightor
 
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Fri 12 Jan, 2018 11:06 am
@layman,
Quote:
Suppose Trump had referred to them as "extremely impoverished nations," instead of "shitholes," eh?

Okay.
Quote:
Would he still be roundly condemned by the cheese-eaters? Sure.

You're right, sure. Because he contrasted black majority countries with Norway, a white majority country. (As if any Norwegian would want to emigrate to this shithole.)
Quote:
In everyday lingo, "shithole" is just another way of sayin the same thing.

Maybe it's commonly used that way in your social circles but we're talking about elected representatives acting in their official capacity. No doubt they all use those terms in private conversation but they're usually canny enough not to reveal themselves as vulgarians in public.
Quote:
But it wouldn't give them the same liberty to play the role of a prude subjected to an EXTREME MORAL OUTRAGE, which is the kinda pretense they thrive on.

Except that no one's playing the prude here. The reason anyone's making anything out of this incident is that it confirms long-held suspicions that Trump will play the race card for political gain, even if he can't be proven to be an actual racist himself. And it also reveals him to be unguarded, reckless, and crass, not characteristics USAmericans usually wish to see in the person they elected to guide our country and represent it to the world.
Quote:
The phoniness and hypocrisy is self-evident, eh?

No, the only thing self-evident here is that you like to frame phony arguments based on your own deliberate misrepresentation of events.
maporsche
 
  4  
Fri 12 Jan, 2018 11:24 am
@hightor,
I don't much have a problem that he said they were 'shithole' countries. I mean, I wish our president had a little more decorum but I'm not really offended about that part.

The part that does offend me is that he's concerned about having FEWER immigrants from these countries. He doesn't want the PEOPLE from those countries in the USA.
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layman
 
  -4  
Fri 12 Jan, 2018 11:29 am
@hightor,
Quote:
No doubt they all use those terms in private conversation but they're usually canny enough not to reveal themselves as vulgarians in public.


Well, my, my, now aint that special, eh?

Well, I mean, it might be, if it were true. The report was that the language was "salty" on both sides. Of course the cheese-eater who went straight to the NYT didn't report THAT side of the convo, eh? Well, he did, it seems, but they refused to report it, as is their standard M.O.

And it was a private conversation, not a public one.

Nice try, cheese-eater.
BillW
 
  6  
Fri 12 Jan, 2018 11:30 am
@maporsche,
As hightor correctly pointed out, he rounded out and made himself racist because he turned around and said - take people from Norway. Not only his people, but everbody understads what he is saying, take no blacks, browns, yellows, reds; take only whites! Get away with this and his next move will be shipping blacks, browns, yellows, reds back to where they came from - regardless of how long they and their ancestors have been here. I guess the Native Americans go back to NE Asia.
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layman
 
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Fri 12 Jan, 2018 11:47 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

I don't much have a problem that he said they were 'shithole' countries. I mean, I wish our president had a little more decorum but I'm not really offended about that part.

The part that does offend me is that he's concerned about having FEWER immigrants from these countries. He doesn't want the PEOPLE from those countries in the USA.


He doesn't want a straight, non-merit-based lottery with ALL immigrants coming from shitholes, that's all. Who would?

Besides a natural born cheese-eater or the black caucus, who insisted on it, I mean.
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revelette1
 
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Fri 12 Jan, 2018 11:53 am
I do not see anything wrong with the bi-partisan proposal by Graham and Durbin. Certainly it was not outlandish and it would have been at least progress.

Quote:
Sens. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) and Durbin had proposed cutting the visa lottery program by 50 percent and then prioritizing countries already in the system, a White House official said.


WP
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layman
 
  -4  
Fri 12 Jan, 2018 11:59 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

I do not see anything wrong with the bi-partisan proposal by Graham and Durbin. Certainly it was not outlandish and it would have been at least progress.

Quote:
Sens. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) and Durbin had proposed cutting the visa lottery program by 50 percent and then prioritizing countries already in the system, a White House official said.

WP


Because you're blind, eh? This crap proposal called for MORE chain immigration, not less. And a lottery, with every one coming from a shithole. About the only thing Trump insisted on was that the word "merit" be included.

I guess they thought we was a chump and could be easily played just because he went out of his way to try to accommodate them, eh?

Nice try, cheese-eaters.


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hightor
 
  3  
Fri 12 Jan, 2018 12:07 pm
@layman,
Quote:
And it was a private conversation, not a public one.

Well it wasn't "private" enough to prevent the substance of the meeting from spilling out.
Quote:
The report was that the language was "salty" on both sides.

So what? As I said earlier, the issue is not about "salty" language. More circumspect officials might try to avoid "off-color" speech but only a clueless narcissist such as Trump would blurt out something that racially offensive.
BillW
 
  3  
Fri 12 Jan, 2018 12:08 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

I do not see anything wrong with the bi-partisan proposal by Graham and Durbin. Certainly it was not outlandish and it would have been at least progress.

Quote:
Sens. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) and Durbin had proposed cutting the visa lottery program by 50 percent and then prioritizing countries already in the system, a White House official said.


WP

Of course, it is a reasonable compromise - the way Congress is suppose to work!
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layman
 
  -3  
Fri 12 Jan, 2018 12:12 pm
Quote:
Trump denies making 'shithole countries' comment

Trump tweeted:

Quote:
The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used. What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made - a big setback for DACA!


Trump later tweeted Friday morning that he "Never said anything derogatory about Haitians other than Haiti is, obviously, a very poor and troubled country. Never said 'take them out.' Made up by Dems. I have a wonderful relationship with Haitians. Probably should record future meetings - unfortunately, no trust!


http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/politics/donald-trump-tweet-daca-rejection/index.html

He suckering the chumps in, eh? He did record it. He's just waiting for the anonymous sources to reveal themselves and to try to contradict him, eh?
 

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