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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 4 Jan, 2018 09:29 am
@revelette1,
Mr Trump's lawyers are considering pursuing libel charges according to the WaPo.
And according to ABC-news, it also says that the book "appears to cite to no sources for many of its most damaging statements about Mr. Trump" and that many claims are made without citing sources.

Trump is world-famous for only making claims with verified sources, and how to libel is something totally unknown to him.
This President is a shining example
revelette1
 
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Thu 4 Jan, 2018 09:39 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I am not disputing your words, I have read the same.

What I question is why they sent a letter to Wolf and his publisher to cease the publication and the selling of the book. Why not just file a claim at court? I just wonder if Wolf and the publisher really have to stop the selling of the book until it is worked out in the court like the letter demanded?

Quote:
The letter by Beverly Hills-based attorney Charles J. Harder demanded the publisher, Henry Holt and Co., “immediately cease and desist from any further publication, release or dissemination of the book” or excerpts and summaries of its contents. The lawyers also seek a full copy of the book as part of their investigation.


(from WP)
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 4 Jan, 2018 09:45 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
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President Trump on Wednesday abruptly shut down a White House commission he had charged with investigating voter fraud
That's the most surprising decision I've seen in a while. There's some piece to this story we don't know yet.


Trump’s explanation for shutting down his voter fraud commission is just as untrue and partisan
Quote:
President Trump’s efforts to root out voter fraud in the 2016 election were always a charade. Before Election Day, he offered dire warnings in his campaign speeches about voters near Philadelphia (winkwinkwinkwink) and in other places who were voting illegally. His campaign put together a halfhearted poll-watching system, encouraging supporters to blow the whistle on apparent fraudulent activity at the polls.

Then, unexpectedly, Trump won Pennsylvania, and his claims of fraud in the Keystone State vanished from his portfolio faster than an Atlantic City casino. Instead, he found new targets: California — a state which, by itself, made up the vote margin by which Trump lost the popular vote — and New Hampshire, a state he narrowly lost. In Michigan, the closest state of the cycle, Trump wasn’t worried about fraud having been a factor; his lawyers declared in a court filing in that state opposing a recount that “All available evidence suggests that the 2016 general election was not tainted by fraud or mistake.”

Trump seized on any nonsense he could to undermine the idea that he’d lost the popular vote, including one assertion made by a guy on Twitter that his analysis showed millions of fraudulent votes. Pressed by CNN for evidence of that claim — made only weeks after the election — Gregg Phillips, the man who made it, declined to offer any and eventually deleted his tweet.
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There has been no evidence presented whatsoever of actual, rampant voter fraud in any recent election, much less the 2016 race.... ... ...
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It’s important to note that Trump’s entire voter fraud claim leverages a long-standing argument made by Republicans. The proposed solution to this unproven voter fraud is legislation mandating the use of ID at polling places. That legislation generally has the happy-for-Republicans side effect of reducing the number of Democratic voters, since the imposition of ID laws generally makes it harder for poorer people to vote.
revelette1
 
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Thu 4 Jan, 2018 09:47 am
@revelette1,
I am replying to my own post because I thought of something...probably not worth it..,but anyway..

If I was Wolf and the publishing company, I would just see if Trump is bluffing and continue to get as much publicity and money out of it until or if it goes to court and they legally have to stop it's publication and perhaps pay a fine.
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revelette1
 
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Thu 4 Jan, 2018 09:52 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Thanks Walter.
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izzythepush
 
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Thu 4 Jan, 2018 10:26 am
@Walter Hinteler,
This page is almost a year old but it sheds a lot of light on the man behind the voting fraud allegations.

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Donald Trump and his aides say that between three and five million people voted illegally in the 2016 election. One man has emerged as the originator of that claim: Gregg Phillips.

On Friday morning, President Trump's first tweet of the day read, "Look forward to seeing final results of VoteStand. Gregg Phillips and crew say at least 3,000,000 votes were illegal. We must do better!"

Since taking office, the president and his staff, most notably press secretary Sean Spicer, have repeated claims of mass voter fraud and on Wednesday, Trump promised a "major investigation" in response.

So where did this figure of three million illegal votes come from and who is Gregg Phillips?

The man

Phillips is a staunch conservative who began his work in government by campaigning for Mississippi Governor Kirk Fordice in the mid-1990s.

He subsequently became head the Mississippi Department of Human Services, but resigned a year later over conflict-of-interest claims levelled against him. He next became the deputy commissioner for Texas' Health and Human Services, before leaving public life to found his own companies.

Long-time Clarion-Ledger investigative reporter Jerry Mitchell says he is still known in political circles in Mississippi.

"When I found out he was the one who [tweeted] this I was like, 'You're kidding me,'" says Mitchell. "Gregg has always been great at spinning things."

Phillips did not return a request for comment from BBC News.

The Associated Press reports that Phillips was listed on the voter rolls in Alabama, Texas and Mississippi, according to voting records and election officials in those states.

But records show he voted only in Alabama in November.

The claim

Phillips is a board member of True the Vote, a conservative nonprofit that tracks voter fraud, and the owner of a technology company called AutoGov.

One of his products, called VoteStand, is intended to help users "quickly report suspected election illegalities as they happen". The app lets people take photos of irregularities they see at polling places, and sends the report back to VoteStand.

On 11 November, 2016, just days after the election, Phillips wrote on Twitter, "Completed analysis of database of 180 million voter registrations. Number of non-citizen votes exceeds 3 million. Consulting legal team."

On 13 November, he clarified further: "We have verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens."

The claims were retweeted and liked thousands of times. They became the basis of an article on the conspiracy theory news site InfoWars.

Later, Trump himself began tweeting that he would have won the popular vote, were it not for millions of illegal votes.

When reporters first approached Phillips asking if he had influenced the president-elect's thinking, Phillips demurred.

"When did a tweet become news?" he told the Austin American-Statesman.

The proof

Phillips says the figure is based on 189 million voting records he and "a group of volunteer election integrity researchers" have collected from voter files around the country.

He further explained his methodology to CNN anchor Christopher Cuomo on Friday.

"We've augmented that database with everything from geo-coding to all sort of identifying information we've developed, algorithms that allow us to to first verify identity," he told Cuomo.

"We can verify residency, we can verify citizenship, felon status, and all of the other factors that go into making a legal, registered vote."

But Phillips has repeatedly refused to show his work. He says he will reveal his raw data, his algorithm and his methodology to the public, and to the US Department of Justice.

However, he says that the results may still contain errors, which is the reason for the delay. He says he may not release the information for "months".

The doubts

David Becker, executive director of the Center for Election Innovation and Research, says while he can't comment specifically on any of Phillips' claims, he does see a few red flags.

While the kinds of voter rolls that Phillips says he has are public, Becker says there is no way they would be ready as soon as two days after the election, when Phillips originally tweeted his 3m figure.

"Having done this and worked with other people who've done this, it would be very early to do a comprehensive study of all the voters who voted in November," says Becker. "The first reports are likely to come out in the spring."

Becker concedes that there are major problems keeping voter registration rolls accurate - millions of deceased people, for example, remain registered, and millions others are registered in more than one state. But that does not mean that anyone actually voted improperly using the name of a dead person, or voted twice. (Several members of Trump's inner circle, including members of his family, are registered in two places, which is not illegal).

Even without Phillips yet disclosing how he arrived at his figures, Jennifer Clark, counsel at the Brennan Center's Democracy Program, says that a finding of several million illegal votes will go against all other credible research so far.

"This idea that there could be millions of fraudulent votes and truly nobody noticed, or there was some kind of vast conspiracy with election officials around the country, which is what it would take - it's not believable," she says.

"It's laughable".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38774428
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 4 Jan, 2018 10:31 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
What I question is why they sent a letter to Wolf and his publisher to cease the publication and the selling of the book. Why not just file a claim at court? I just wonder if Wolf and the publisher really have to stop the selling of the book until it is worked out in the court like the letter demanded?



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WASHINGTON — President Trump escalated his attack on a new book portraying him as a volatile and ill-equipped chief executive on Thursday as his legal team demanded that the author and publisher halt the release of the account scheduled for next week and apologize or face a possible lawsuit.
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While other presidents have avoided direct confrontations with publishers over unflattering books for fear of giving them more publicity, Mr. Trump is furious about Mr. Wolff’s account and about Mr. Bannon’s comments, according to advisers. Through a long career in real estate and entertainment, Mr. Trump has repeatedly threatened lawsuits against authors, journalists and others, but often has not followed through, and it was unclear whether he would in this case.

Mr. Wolff did not immediately reply to a request for comment. His editor, John Sterling, said by email, “We haven’t yet responded to the letter.”
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NYT
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ehBeth
 
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Thu 4 Jan, 2018 10:32 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
The lawyers also seek a full copy of the book as part of their investigation.


(from WP)


that would be awesome

then there's a chance we could all read it free
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oristarA
 
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Thu 4 Jan, 2018 10:59 am
Palmer Report

@PalmerReport 11 hours ago

CNN: Bannon admits Trump treason
NBC: Bannon admits Trump treason
ABC: Bannon admits Trump treason
CBS: Bannon admits Trump treason
Fox News: someone stole a U-haul


Source:https://twitter.com/palmerreport
Cycloptichorn
 
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Thu 4 Jan, 2018 11:00 am
@oristarA,
I saw a lot of complaints from Conservatives yesterday that the news nets were taking this book 'too seriously' and focusing on this 'too much.' These people live in a ******* fantasy world.

Cycloptichorn
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Brand X
 
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Thu 4 Jan, 2018 11:07 am
Bannon, from a low down dirty scum bag to darling of the left overnight.

He's still scum, yo.
 

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