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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
reasoning logic
 
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Mon 2 Jan, 2017 05:12 pm
@Frugal1,
If you hate Hillary you may like this.

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georgeob1
 
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Mon 2 Jan, 2017 05:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I'm not sure why you're trying to justify the lies from Trump. He's a pathological liar. He has a history of falsehoods, and they can be found easily on the internet. The following is only one of hundreds, if not thousands.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/trump-fact-check-errors-exaggerations-falsehoods-213730

What gets at my crawl is Trump's five year history of denying Obama was an American citizen.

That people can excuse this fraud, and try to rationalize his lies is beyond the pale.


Trump is an extemperaneous speaker who often speaks impulsively and with a careless lack of qualification. However, compared to Hillary's carefully prepared, parsed and phrased lies, Trump's often inconsistent statements are models of candor and honesty.

Many people doubted Obama's cirtizenship and the degree to which he identified himself as an American. Some still do.
Frugal1
 
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Mon 2 Jan, 2017 05:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Trump was a "non-stop birther."


HRC planted the seeds of all birther talk, she owns it.

Trump exploited her creation to his advantage, Trump owns HRC.



I believe Trump actually thanked HRC for coming up with the idea.
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Lash
 
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Mon 2 Jan, 2017 05:26 pm
While your monitoring the effect, you may want to monitor the cause.

https://www.dissentmagazine.org/online_articles/progressive-neoliberalism-reactionary-populism-nancy-fraser

The End of Progressive Neoliberalism.

Fascinating times Americans are living in. Wonder what's next!
georgeob1
 
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Mon 2 Jan, 2017 05:56 pm
@Lash,
Interesting article. I believe the election was indeed a major setnback for Progressive Neoliberalism, but likely not the end of it all. The variuous constituent parts of the movement Fraser describes will in time rise or fall, but the surving elements will likely rise up again in perhaps new forms or new components of some successor movement. Much of this stuff arises directly from human nature and all it's many contradictions - it will be around as long as we inhabit the planet.

I do hope the focus on the rights and excesses of certain currently fashionable groups, Black, Hispanic, Homoseuals and their variants, Whites, "Ueducated White Males", and all the rest will fade from the public discorse. The absurd and self contradictory doctrines that arise from this stuff are both destructive for the country and self-defeating in attaining their declared purposes.

It an observable fact that the variations among the individuals in each supposed group are very large compared to the variations among the very superficial identifying features of the groups themselves. Tolerance and the absence of prejudice will occur only to the degree that people recognize the traits and characters of individuals, as opposed to their supposed group identities. MLK's comments about judging folks on the content of their character vs the color of their skin apply here.

That tolerance and recognition of individuals cannot be achieved by government-directed "better" managed favoritism or support for particular groups, no matter how well intended it may be. A better managed follow-up dose is not an antidote for the poison.

blatham
 
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Mon 2 Jan, 2017 06:16 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Trump is an extemperaneous speaker

That's a necessary feature of someone who lies consistently about everything.

"But your ad said this car only had 80,000 miles on it, and it's got 800,000 miles on the odometer. Right there. Right in front of you."

"Our ad never said that and if it did then it was true when the copy got done because here at Joe's Fantastic Car Deals we never lie and I'm insulted you've even suggested it but I'll forgive you, because that's the way we are here at Joe's and you can drive it away today and you'd be a fool - a FOOL - to pass up this beauty. Look at those wheels, they're from a Jaguar we had in here"

"The wheels say Ford right on the hub"

"That's the Italian spelling for Jag. That's right. Jaguar had those wheels made by Ferrari."

You are over the edge, george. Putin is now a bold hero. And I'll tell you what's very likely to happen in the next two days. Julian Assange will join Putin and Trump in rightwing lunatic clown world after he tells Hannity that Russia had no part in the hacking and that's Trump's secret data no one else has. And if that happens, you freaking idiots will grasp Assange to your very bosoms and proclaim him the source to be trusted while US intel, FBI and all independent tech/security agencies are incompetent toadies.

Because you have gone insane.

Lash
 
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Mon 2 Jan, 2017 06:22 pm
@georgeob1,
Your friend seems to have choked himself and jumped off the deep end...

LOL.

They prefer a much nuttier scenario--first mentioned in public by Hillary Clinton after being exposed for fixing the Democrat primary. Odd timing (and spokesperson for such an unprecedented foreign interference in a US election...), wouldn't you say?
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RABEL222
 
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Mon 2 Jan, 2017 07:01 pm
@Debra Law,
Quote:
Perhaps he needs the assistance of a deprogrammer to wean him away from his steady diet of hate propaganda.


I think he is in heaven on this thread. He lies and lies and upsets the liberals with his bull crap and attracts all kinds of attention which he craves, which is why I quit reading his junk or answering him. Its what he wants but I am not going to cater to his perversions.
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old europe
 
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Mon 2 Jan, 2017 07:05 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
Trump's often inconsistent statements are models of candor and honesty.


Funny thing about Trump followers... They all heard what they wanted to hear. When he's promised to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it, when he vowed to bring back torture, when he said he would bomb the **** out of ISIS and put American boots on the ground in Syria, when he said maybe people should lose citizenship for burning the flag? Well, all of that was just Trump goading those gullible liberals, or it was Trump starting an important discussion on an otherwise ignored issue, or it was brilliant businessman Trump establishing a negotiating position, or it was genius Trump exposing the hypocrisy of the liberal mainstream media.

However, that one thing where he vowed that he would bring back the coal mining jobs to coal country? Well, that was Trump being absolutely, completely honest. We can trust him. He's one of us. A model of candor and honesty.

Of course, which ones of Trump's statements are honest promises and which ones are just silly jabs that we can ignore varies from one Trump supporter to the next.

georgeob1 wrote:
Many people doubted Obama's cirtizenship and the degree to which he identified himself as an American. Some still do.


Some people still doubt that the United States put a man on the moon. Some people doubt that the Holocaust ever happened. Some people believe that 9/11 was an inside job.

It's good to know that none of that would disqualify them from getting elected President of the United States.
RABEL222
 
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Mon 2 Jan, 2017 07:28 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
Because you have gone insane.


Wrong Blatham. He is not insane. He just unable to tell the difference between a lie and his opinion.
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ossobucotemp
 
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Mon 2 Jan, 2017 07:52 pm
@blatham,
I am glad you noticed.

You have been temperate and he has been a nastybody, for quite a long time.
Whatever, different modes for discussion are going on to go on.
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Frugal1
 
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Mon 2 Jan, 2017 08:09 pm
@blatham,
You couldn't be more wrong, but you do have the right to voice your opinion.

Carry on.
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georgeob1
 
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Mon 2 Jan, 2017 08:14 pm
@blatham,
I have not gone insane, but it appears you are projecting your imagined furure happenings and assumed statements on everyone you oppose at the moment with strange abandon.s on everyone. The last three or so pages of your posts are full of that nonsense.

The stilted and awkward Hillary Clinton is living proof that many chronic liers are anything but extemporaneous. Instead some, like her are studied, deliberatly choosing their words very carefully and parsing their rehearsed phrases in a way that can be effectively deceptive - the first few times one hears it. Your unsupported proposition about the necessity of extemporaneous ability among liars is just so much ****.

I don't believe Putin is a hero and I doubt seriously theat Trump does either. We shall see.... For me the remarkable thing about Obama & the Democrats generally is their silence and passivity as Putin took one third of Albania, all of Crimea, threatened the borders and independence of Ukraine (in violatiuon of Nuclear dissarmament treaties in which the borders and independence of Ukraine were proclaimed inviolate). Now after ignoring his loudly proclaimed "Red Line" for Assad in Syria our hapless president Obama did and said nothing as Assad again repeatedly used chemical weapons against his people, and the Russians under Putin actively joined the fight to preserve his rule.

Now, after all that, when Russian hackers leak hacked e-mails from the {gasp!) DNC and John Podesta confirming earlier reports of illicit collusion among the Clinton campaign, the DNC and some liberal media outlets to distort the outcome of both the Democrat primary and the final election campaign processes, and after a complete failure on their part to dispute any of the information so leaded ( they do have the originals, after all); they are all in a rage over 'Putin's attempt to "hack" our election. No evidence of any effect on the election has yet been produced - none. Indeed the only hacking of the election known to occur was the deceitful, under-the-table collusion by the Hillary Campaign, the SNC and the Medfia which was revealed.

You have never addressed any of these points despite numerous opportunities to do so.

Who here is insane??
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Frugal1
 
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Mon 2 Jan, 2017 08:15 pm
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1NF2OWUQAAP0P2.jpg:large
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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 2 Jan, 2017 08:28 pm
@old europe,
In addition to building that wall, he said he was going to ban all Muslims from entering the US.
There are many problems with this. How does he go about asking all travelers to the US what religion they belong to? How does he know all Muslim, atheists or Christians will tell the truth about their religion? Is he going to strap everybody into a truth instrument? Muslims live in many countries including the US.
What georgeob calls "Trump's often inconsistent statements are models of candor and honesty," I'd like for him to produce facts to back that up, because I can find more articles on Trump where he lies and exaggerates. Even Politifact shows he tells the truth only 4% of the time.

Quote:
Here’s The Evidence Trump Lies Whenever His Lips Move · 3h
Not to mention that his lies, overall, still account for a full 70 percent of his statements, as checked by Politifact. Trump lies so often and so well, it becomes part of who they are: Factcheck.org created the title “King of Whoppers,” just for him.


http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/trump-tramples-facts/
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Frugal1
 
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Mon 2 Jan, 2017 08:31 pm


Computer outage disrupts customs at US airports
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old europe
 
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Mon 2 Jan, 2017 08:44 pm
To be filed under "How Republicans in Congress prepare for the Trump era":

Quote:
With No Warning, House Republicans Vote to Hobble Independent Ethics Office

House Republicans, defying their top leaders, voted Monday to significantly curtail the power of an independent ethics office set up in 2008 in the aftermath of corruption scandals that sent three members of Congress to jail.

The move to weaken the Office of Congressional Ethics was not public until late Monday, when Representative Robert Goodlatte, Republican of Virginia and chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, announced that the House Republican Conference had approved the change with no advance public notice or debate.

In its place, a new Office of Congressional Complaint Review would be set up within the House Ethics Committee, which before the creation of the Office of Congressional Ethics had been accused of ignoring credible allegations of wrongdoing by lawmakers.

Speaker Paul D. Ryan and Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, the majority leader, opposed the measure, aides said Monday night. The full House is scheduled to vote Tuesday on the rules, which will last for two years, until the next congressional elections.

The surprising vote came on the eve of the start of a new session of Congress, with emboldened Republicans ready to push an ambitious agenda on everything from health care to infrastructure, issues that will be the subject of intense lobbying from corporate interests. The move by Republicans would take away both power and independence from an investigative body, and give lawmakers more control over internal inquiries.

[...]
Frugal1
 
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Mon 2 Jan, 2017 09:00 pm
Are there any indications that Trump will start his term by reinstating 0bama's CASH FOR CLUNKERS program?
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Frugal1
 
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Mon 2 Jan, 2017 09:02 pm
Those muslims sure do know how to ring in the New Year.

Almost 1,000 cars torched around France on New Year's Eve but government insists it 'went particularly well'
reasoning logic
 
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Mon 2 Jan, 2017 09:19 pm
@Frugal1,
Quote:
Those muslims sure do know how to ring in the New Year.



Car torching on New years eve has been going on sense the 90s in France
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