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georgeob1
 
  -3  
Mon 2 Jan, 2017 09:29 pm
@old europe,
old europe wrote:

To be filed under "How Republicans in Congress prepare for the Trump era":


It's good to know that our British friends here are on the lookout for lapses in our governance. I hope they will forgive my relative indifference to their internal issues - I generally restrain such judgment or, more to the point, expresed observations, to matters that have the potential to affect me directly.

Our Congress has powers that are more circumscribed, by the Constitution and the checks and balances of our three part government structure, than those of the British Parliament. However the Congress is indeed an independent body able to create or eliminate any of the so called "independent" bodies it creates. The matter to which you refer has not been enacted by our Congress, rather it appears that some within it have made such a proposal. Much uncertainty and more decisions lie ahead for it.

That said I am grateful for your unusual zeal and attention on this matter, even in the absence of any personal interest or voice in it. I sleep better knowing that busybodies far away in the UK are looking out for us.

reasoning logic
 
  1  
Mon 2 Jan, 2017 09:35 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Our Congress has powers that are more circumscribed, by the Constitution and the checks and balances of our three part government structure, than those of the British Parliament.


Do you think that keeps them from being influenced by corporate money?

Frugal1
 
  -3  
Mon 2 Jan, 2017 09:37 pm
Sanders the socialist, ain't nobody got time for that.
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cicerone imposter
 
  6  
Mon 2 Jan, 2017 09:39 pm
Trump's promise to bring back the coal industry is similar to his promise of building that wall.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-cannot-bring-back-coal/

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/18/world/asia/china-coal-health-smog-pollution.html?_r=0

And,
Solar is cheaper than coal by 50%.
georgeob1
 
  -1  
Mon 2 Jan, 2017 09:40 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

Quote:
Our Congress has powers that are more circumscribed, by the Constitution and the checks and balances of our three part government structure, than those of the British Parliament.


Do you think that keeps them from being influenced by corporate money?


No more than exists in any legislature in the world. Why do you apparently believe that is relevant to the matter being discussed?

However the limitation on our Congress' ability to act independently of review or check by other, independent government organs places limits on the effectiveness of such influence far greater than is the case with the British Parliament.

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reasoning logic
 
  1  
Mon 2 Jan, 2017 09:45 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Trump's promise to bring back the coal industry is similar to his promise of building that wall.



“I’m thinking about the miners all over this country,” Trump said. “We’re gonna put the miners back to work. We’re gonna put the miners back to work. We’re gonna get those mines open.”

It wont be the first failed business Trump invested his time to and other peoples money.
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blatham
 
  3  
Mon 2 Jan, 2017 10:21 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
I sleep better knowing that busybodies far away in the UK are looking out for us.

Even if I wasn't a former heroin and sex addict, I would still not give two fucks how you sleep at night, george. But I can't speak for Old Europe. Rumsfeld could but I wouldn't presume.

But I want you to know how proud I am for America that your President will spend one half his presidency tweeting from the Golden **** Palace in Florida.
@realDonaldTrump
Versailles. There's an ugly palace. Low budget. And stupid doors. French are stupid. Sad!

America. An exceptional land. An exceptional people. An exceptional leader. You know what makes you guys so special? Dignity. Your dignity.

reasoning logic
 
  2  
Mon 2 Jan, 2017 10:32 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
Versailles. There's an ugly palace. Low budget. And stupid doors. French are stupid. Sad!


I wonder what Trump would consider to be high budget. Half of France's entire annual GNP went into building that palace.
Do you think Trump might be jealous?
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georgeob1
 
  0  
Mon 2 Jan, 2017 10:43 pm
@blatham,
Rather vulgar expressions of odd feelings.

It seems to me your innumerable posts on this and other threads gives the lie to your expressed indifference to how well Americans sleep at night. Perhaps it is just something that fascinates you, though it is a bit hard for me to square that idea with the many criticisms you express at such great length here.

Perhaps you think there is some hope for us.
glitterbag
 
  2  
Mon 2 Jan, 2017 11:03 pm
@georgeob1,
I think Bernie is saying the American people have hope, albeit limited......just not you. You sound like an isolationist but there are others very much like you.

On New Years Day we attended a brunch hosted by an old co-worker from NSA and her husband Ron. Ron is an octogenarian retired Montgomery police officer so he invited some of his fellow octogenarian retired cop friends and Pat invited all the retired NSA people. So initially everyone was mingling and being pleasant until one old gent started talking about 'this president has been a disaster' and the woman seated next to me, former SUSLO was nodding until he mentioned 'he' was a Muslim, and she somewhat startled said "trumps not a Muslim, what?" And I said no, he's talking about Obama......she then added, Obama's not a Muslim.....then one of the other NSA people said, I fell in love when he killed Osama Bin Laden, somebody else said "he devastated the Somali pirates". And the old gent wandered to the other room where he could converse with other old retired cops and let the old retired tree huggers talk about liberal notions like killed Americas enemies.
old europe
 
  4  
Tue 3 Jan, 2017 03:39 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
That said I am grateful for your unusual zeal and attention on this matter, even in the absence of any personal interest or voice in it. I sleep better knowing that busybodies far away in the UK are looking out for us.


I'm not sure what I find more amusing about your merry little attempts to sidetrack conversations with casual jingoism. It could either be how hilariously wrong your assumptions about me are, or it could be just how reliably you seek refuge in mildly nationalistic taunts whenever the guys you're cheer-leading for commit a particularly indefensible act of political brinkmanship.

Still undecided on this one.

georgeob1 wrote:
The matter to which you refer has not been enacted by our Congress, rather it appears that some within it have made such a proposal. Much uncertainty and more decisions lie ahead for it.


Or, to omit the pussyfooting that you seem to happily engage in whenever your team pulls a particularly outrageous stunt: one of the first moves of the new Republican Congress was for House Republicans to move on gutting their own independent ethics watchdog.

Apparently, nothing else was higher on the priority list for House Republicans.

How reassuring.
Frugal1
 
  -3  
Tue 3 Jan, 2017 07:25 am
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1N9-kwWQAAHrcG.jpg:large
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blatham
 
  2  
Tue 3 Jan, 2017 07:40 am
@glitterbag,
Obama is a Muslim.

43% of Republicans believe this. Which, coincidentally, is the same % of North Koreans who believe the Great Leader shot 18 holes-in-one on a par 69 golf course. In both cases, the goal of the propaganda initiative was to make citizens really stupid. Successes both.
Frugal1
 
  -1  
Tue 3 Jan, 2017 07:46 am
@blatham,
Yawn...
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McGentrix
 
  1  
Tue 3 Jan, 2017 07:51 am
@blatham,
100% of the Republicans I have polled believe that Obama is indeed an American, born in America (Hawaii) and he is not a Muslim.

I guess your poll was wrong.
blatham
 
  -1  
Tue 3 Jan, 2017 08:04 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
It seems to me your innumerable posts on this and other threads gives the lie to your expressed indifference to how well Americans sleep at night.

Apologies. I wasn't clear. I was referring to you personally. As to America, I'm very fond of the place. Who wouldn't be fond? You've got George Gershwin and J Edgar Hoover. Woody Allen and Carl Paladino. Ella Fitzgerald and christians who bomb abortion clinics. Albert Einstein and Ted Nugent. Meryl Streep and Timothy McVeigh. Abe Lincoln and InfoWars. It's heaven on earth.
blatham
 
  2  
Tue 3 Jan, 2017 08:08 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
100% of the Republicans I have polled believe that Obama is indeed an American, born in America (Hawaii) and he is not a Muslim.

I guess your poll was wrong.

Was that actually worth your time to type?

Poll
Frugal1
 
  0  
Tue 3 Jan, 2017 08:08 am
@McGentrix,
Has blath ever been right?
blatham
 
  1  
Tue 3 Jan, 2017 08:14 am
As OE noted above
Quote:
House Republicans, overriding their top leaders, voted on Monday to significantly curtail the power of an independent ethics office set up in 2008 in the aftermath of corruption scandals that sent three members of Congress to jail.

The move to effectively kill the Office of Congressional Ethics was not made public until late Monday, when Representative Robert W. Goodlatte, Republican of Virginia and chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, announced that the House Republican Conference had approved the change. There was no advance notice or debate on the measure.
LINK

Ethics, schmethics. Lots more of this sort of stuff coming. And when you get Judicial Watch complaining about your ethics level, you know you're deep in the toilet
Quote:
“Poor way to begin draining the swamp,” Tom Fitton, president of the conservative group Judicial Watch, said on Twitter. He added, “Swamp wins with help of @SpeakerRyan, @RepGoodlatte.”
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Frugal1
 
  -2  
Tue 3 Jan, 2017 08:23 am
Muslim migrants with guns/ German citizens with none.
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