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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
Lash
 
  -2  
Thu 21 Dec, 2017 11:51 am
The Canadians caved to Trump.
revelette1
 
  2  
Thu 21 Dec, 2017 12:01 pm
@Lash,
So did 34 other countries, any reason you are singling Canadian's out? You are a divisive bitter woman.
Lash
 
  -1  
Thu 21 Dec, 2017 12:04 pm
@revelette1,
Hilarious.

Are Canadians bitter and divisive when they criticize America?? Selective outrage, again!
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Thu 21 Dec, 2017 12:12 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
So did 34 other countries, any reason you are singling Canadian's out? You are a divisive bitter woman.
35 countries abstained, including five EU states and Canada. (Twenty-two of the EU 28 countries voted for the resolution, including the UK and France. Germany – which in the past has abstained on measures relating to Israel – also voted in favour.)
Togo, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau, Marshall Islands, Guatemala, Honduras and of course Israel and the USA voted against the resolution.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Thu 21 Dec, 2017 12:13 pm
@Olivier5,
Thatcher... Atlas Shrugged...

In America, these ideas have become ubiquitous. It wasn't so before Raygun. But they almost go without saying now, thanks to 1) the kind of long-haul ideological warfare via think tanks described by Laytham and others on this thread, and 2) some inherent validity in the theory, in the sense that it's true that there can be such a thing as too much economic regulation, or that there is such a thing as the progressive decay of public social services into self-serving, mindless bureaucracies. Take the French Poste... Heck, the US Post Office at some point was a place hostile to their clients.

I agree with some of their critique of the State as a dumb economic agent. I just think it's fixable, through good public management and accountability.
maporsche
 
  2  
Thu 21 Dec, 2017 12:17 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

I agree with some of their critique of the State as a dumb economic agent. I just think it's fixable, through good public management and accountability.


That's what us American neoliberals think too.

I think you're confusing neoliberals with libertarians. Neoliberals recognize that some economic management is needed and a good thing. Especially in areas where the free-market doesn't/cannot operate as a market, like in healthcare. There is no 'real' market activity in healthcare, so regulation is required, is good, and is necessary.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Thu 21 Dec, 2017 12:26 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:
I think you're confusing neoliberals with libertarians.
What you call "libertarians" is called outside the USA "liberals" - and that's the origing of the term "neo-liberal" (coined by the Frenchman Bernard Lavergne in 1938 as néo-liberalisme - Lavergne was a member of the liberal (you would call that "libertarian") Colloque Walter Lippmann.
hightor
 
  4  
Thu 21 Dec, 2017 12:30 pm
@layman,
Quote:
Cheese-eaters think the commie-ass policies they advocate "appeal" to voters.

So, what "commie-ass" policies are you referring to? You mean that one where they set up a dictatorship of the proletariat? You mean workers owning and controlling the means of production? The elimination of exploiting classes? The expropriation of bourgeois property?

I haven't heard anyone advocating those policies.

Maybe you mean cutting back on Medicare, Social Security, unemployment compensation, housing assistance, energy and utility subsidies, education and child care assistance?

Yeah, the people will love that.

Nice try, opioid-eaters.
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maporsche
 
  2  
Thu 21 Dec, 2017 12:30 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Well maybe. I'm not interested in the origins of words and labels. I'm more interested in policies, thoughts, ideas.

The way I understand neoliberal in 2017, in America is in the chart below and in the description that follows.

https://thosebastardsinwashington.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/9chambered-political-chart.jpg


Neoliberal. (maximum social freedom, moderate economic control)

By contrast, we have the middle-economics and social freedom of the position in between Progressive and Libertarian. To oppose the neoconservatives I have called them the Neo-Liberals, but they might also be called “Fair Market” liberals, ‘Liberaltarians’ or, after Clinton’s model, the 3rd Way.

They are socially tolerant or progressive, and argue for a market fair to both consumers and businesses. Someone in this realm might believe the following: governments should not necessarily bail out failing companies, but should regulate them for environmental or fairness practices; taxes ought to be cut or even flattened but should not favor the rich; the government might be better suited to operate at a smaller level, but they prefer to cut the military rather than infrastructure; the debt ceiling is unfortunate but probably necessary; national health care should be considered an option, but not mandated; abortion should be legal; gay marriage should be legal; religion should have no place in government; civil liberties and privacy should always be prioritized over national security; immigration should be fair.

Generally Neoliberals are motivated to vote more by their social stances than their economic ones.

Neoliberals are represented by a small wing of the Democratic party. In addition, some northern Republicans like Lincoln Chafee and Michael Bloomberg fit this description.


https://thosebastardsinwashington.wordpress.com/2012/02/29/beyond-left-and-right-part-1/
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Lash
 
  -1  
Thu 21 Dec, 2017 12:31 pm
@Olivier5,
The problem is only the scapegoats in US government are held to ‘account.’
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Thu 21 Dec, 2017 12:33 pm
Trump gets go-ahead to build wall ...



... at his Irish golf course.

Trump’s Irish golf club, at Doonbeg in Co Clare, has been given the go-ahead to build a sea wall to stop part of its course being eroded by the Atlantic Ocean.

Quote:
Ireland has given the green light for a company owned by Donald Trump to build a scaled-down sea wall at its golf course in the west of Ireland that environmental groups say could damage protected wildlife habitats.

The Trump International Golf Links Doonbeg, owned by the Trump Organization, received permission for two sea barriers of 630m and 260m in length, Clare County said, a year after it rejected plans for a much larger 28km wall.

Residents and environmental groups objected, saying the wall could alter the coastline at other points and harm wildlife.
Source
ehBeth
 
  2  
Thu 21 Dec, 2017 12:36 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Trump gets go-ahead to build wall ...
... at his Irish golf course.

Quote:
two sea barriers of 630m and 260m in length, Clare County said, a year after it rejected plans for a much larger 28km wall.Source[/url]


890 metres? that's less than I swim at a stretch
blatham
 
  2  
Thu 21 Dec, 2017 12:42 pm
Voices From the Right
Quote:
Conservatism is what conservatives think, say, and do. As conservatives change—as much through the harsh fact of death and birth as by the fluctuations of opinion—so does what it means to be a conservative.

The Trump presidency is a huge political fact. Donald Trump may not be the leader of American conservatism, but he is its most spectacular and vulnerable asset. The project of defending him against his coming political travails—or at least of assailing those who doubt and oppose him—is already changing what it means to be a conservative. The word conservative will of course continue in use. But its meaning is being rewritten each day by the actions of those who lay claim to the word. It is their commitment to Trump that etches Trumpism into them. And while Trump may indeed pass, that self-etching will not soon be effaced.
Frum/Atlantic

I highly recommend this bit of sanity.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 21 Dec, 2017 12:43 pm
@ehBeth,
Well, but more interesting is the connection to climate change, since the sea wall will be built because: "Rising sea levels and increased storm frequency and wave energy associated with global warming can increase the rate of erosion."
ehBeth
 
  2  
Thu 21 Dec, 2017 12:44 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter, you know very well there is no such thing.
blatham
 
  2  
Thu 21 Dec, 2017 12:46 pm
@Setanta,
That's a bloody excellent post, Set.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 21 Dec, 2017 12:51 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
Walter, you know very well there is no such thing.
The Trump International Golf Links Doonbeg/Trump Organization, who wrote such to the council's planning office, is known for producing fake news.
ehBeth
 
  3  
Thu 21 Dec, 2017 12:58 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
http://clipart-library.com/images/pcodL9XRi.jpg
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thack45
 
  3  
Thu 21 Dec, 2017 01:02 pm
I wonder, when the likes of Niki Haley attempts to throw the weight of the American electorate behind their hairbrained ideas by saying things like, "That is what the American people want us to do and it is the right thing to do... This vote will make a difference in how Americans look at the UN,"... Does the rest of the world understand she's speaking in the abstract sense, of the ever waning number of Trump's supporters? And I'd wager a good number of them really don't give a **** beyond their political loyalties about this one
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blatham
 
  3  
Thu 21 Dec, 2017 01:20 pm
Dear conservatives

Though it will be uncomfortable, please do try to grasp how prodigiously stupid Trump and GOP leaders and everyone at Fox think you are.
Quote:
New pro-Trump ad features little girl thanking Trump ‘for letting us say Merry Christmas again!
TP
 

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