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Olivier5
 
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Thu 21 Dec, 2017 01:24 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

The problem is only the scapegoats in US government are held to ‘account.’

No. The problem is that this theory of economic deregulation is fundamentally wrong, though widely accepted in US policy circles. This leads to a long series of problems -- as usually happens when any nation goes for wrong-footed policies for a bit too long. Problems of which Trump is the most obvious symptom.
blatham
 
  2  
Thu 21 Dec, 2017 01:36 pm
Roy Moore still has not conceded. I was going to write something on what might be going on in this guy's mind. You know, "God controls everything but I'm not in the Senate. Why not? Satan, for sure. And Satanic liberals, particularly their vanguard, the homosexuals. What should I do? God, my God, why do you test me? Give me a sign, Sweet Jesus. I will close my eyes and spin around really fast and then I'll open my eyes and whatever is revealed to my eyes by You in Your Wisdom I shall use to direct my path. Hang on a minute, Lord, let me just put my Glock out on the table."

But I gave up on this post idea. He's simply too ******* insane.
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Thu 21 Dec, 2017 01:36 pm
@blatham,
it's all over ******* FB (on our spare account)
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Olivier5
 
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Thu 21 Dec, 2017 01:47 pm
@maporsche,
Quote:
That's what us American neoliberals think too.

I think you're confusing neoliberals with libertarians. 

"Neo-liberal" is not in traditional, wide use in America. It's a new fancy word from Europe made popular by Bernites. A year ago you didn't know the word existed, and today you're an expert. Well done!

Seriously, I think you're going by the wrong matrix, hastingly and boldly procured in the wild interwebs. Any matrix would be wrong anyway. Ideas are impossible to classify in neat little two-dimensional arrays.
layman
 
  -2  
Thu 21 Dec, 2017 01:53 pm
@Olivier5,
This is the kind of thing that Trump would get under control if he was the actual bureaucrat writing the checks:

Quote:
A survey of the general population has found that more than 80% are prepared to cheat on welfare.

Welfare fraud is widespread, but in most cases it is committed by people who are unable to make ends meet. In a 2012 study, 30 of 34 interviewed welfare recipients admitted fraud. A 1988 study of 50 Chicago women on welfare found that 80% worked either full-time or part-time, but none of them reported their income to the welfare office. Surveys conducted during the 1970s in Seattle and Denver showed that 50% of recipients admitted to "cheating" in order to get by financially.

In 2016, the Office of Investigations for the Social Security Administration received 143 385 allegations and opened 8 048 cases. 1 162 persons were convicted for crime. Recoveries amounted to $52,6 million, fines to $4,5 million, settlements/judgements to $1,7 million and restitution to $70 million. The estimated savings were $355,7 million.

In the first half of the fiscal year 2012, the office of the Inspector General of the Social Security Administration was able to detect frauds that cost the government over $253 million.

A few examples:

A 1977 claim by the executive director of the Illinois Legislative Advisory Committee on Public Aid stated that a Chicago woman named Linda Taylor used 14 aliases to obtain $150,000 for medical assistance, cash assistance and bonus cash food stamps.

Dorothy Woods, of the US, claimed 38 nonexistent children.[54] She was sentenced to eight years in jail.[

Esther Johnson of California was sentenced to four years in state prison in 1979 for "collecting $240,000 for more than 60 fictitious children.

Welfare fraud often reflects an idea that people have a moral right to proper financial support from the government. An Israeli study showed that 47 of 49 women on welfare openly and actively justified acts of welfare fraud, including eight persons who did not admit to committing fraud themselves

Deterrence is ineffective. Many assess the risk of being caught as minimal, and it has been suggested that a widespread lack of understanding and underprediction of the sanctions for breaking the rules may contribute to this. A study of how people would do in hypothetic situations showed large differences between various risk alternatives. More than 80% were ready to take a job on the black market and receive unemployment benefit if the risk of audit was 1/6.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_fraud

Welfare fraud is just the minute tip of the gigantic iceberg which constitutes fraud on the government. We need more prevention and less prosecution (which probably only gets 1 out of 100).

Government workers tend to just "process the papers" without thinking twice about asking even the most elementary questions. I think I recently read a story about how about $150 million in fraudulent tax refund claims were all sent to the same address, for example.

The governmental implementation is broken, not the "system." I think I have also seen stats that say that for every $1 in welfare benefits paid out, another $1 is paid for bureaucrats to distribute it. There has got to be a more efficient way, but this type of problem seems to get ignored in perpetuity. Too many salaries at stake to question it. Bureaucrats are also notorious for making sure they spend every penny in their budget, then claim they're broke, so they can get more money (now, and "next year"). It's ever-expanding in order to meet the "needs" of government civil servants, not the "needy."

maporsche
 
  2  
Thu 21 Dec, 2017 01:55 pm
@Olivier5,
Well, I'm going to keep calling myself a neoliberal. I've grown attached to it.

My beliefs have nothing to do with what group I or others lump me in to.

Neoliberal is just as good as any other.
layman
 
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Thu 21 Dec, 2017 02:12 pm
@maporsche,
I used to call myself a "neo-nazi," but then I got to thinkin--what the **** is new about it? I'm just a Nazi, nuthin "neo" about it.
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maporsche
 
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Thu 21 Dec, 2017 02:18 pm
“People who live in a golden age usually go around complaining how yellow everything looks,” observed poet Randall Jarrell.
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layman
 
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Thu 21 Dec, 2017 02:21 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:
Welfare fraud is just the minute tip of the gigantic iceberg which constitutes fraud on the government. We need more prevention and less prosecution (which probably only gets 1 out of 100).


1 out of 100 was obviously far too low of an estimate:

Quote:
...143 385 allegations and opened 8 048 cases. 1,162 persons were convicted for crime.


There were probably at least 10 times as many cases of actual fraud as there were "allegations" of it. 1 out of 1,000 would have been far closer, but still probably too low. But even those 1,162 convictions saved $335,000,000.
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Olivier5
 
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Thu 21 Dec, 2017 02:33 pm
@maporsche,
Similarly, those I and everybody else call the "neoliberals" don't really care how you call them. They just keep providing ideological cover for their anti-people policies, for the greatest glory of the 1 percent, Trump included.

No matter how, or IF, you call them. We can keep arguing for "what's in a name" forever... They might even thank us for our contribution to muddling the debate.
maporsche
 
  2  
Thu 21 Dec, 2017 02:38 pm
@Olivier5,
Well, I won't bring up the name again. My apologies.

Back to complaining about the unnecessary and atrocious tax bill.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Thu 21 Dec, 2017 02:52 pm
@maporsche,
Appreciated.
Builder
 
  -2  
Thu 21 Dec, 2017 03:57 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote:
"Neo-liberal" is not in traditional, wide use in America. It's a new fancy word from Europe made popular by Bernites. A year ago you didn't know the word existed, and today you're an expert. Well done!


You're demonstrating a shallow grasp of both the word, and what it means, and has meant, historically, in the US of A

It was widely used in discussions about the 2007 GFC, and picked up by the OWS movement, when seeking scapegoats for the "crisis". In fact, many did assume that laissez-faire policies allowed the circumstances (and lack of oversight directly after) surrounding the financial crisis.


You might be interested in this review of Masters of the Universe: Hayek, Friedman, and the Birth of Neoliberal Politics. By Daniel Stedman Jones

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ehBeth
 
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Thu 21 Dec, 2017 04:14 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I'm a wee bit hopeful that my long-held dream of the UN leaving NYC and the US as a whole comes true as a result of the recent vote.

The money going to the US from the bureaucracy of having the UN could be better used by another country.
maporsche
 
  2  
Thu 21 Dec, 2017 04:15 pm
@Builder,
I could...but I won't.

IMO the tax bill:
1) wasn't needed
2) way to heavily favored the wealthy and the top 5%
Baldimo
 
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Thu 21 Dec, 2017 04:24 pm
@maporsche,
The only people who won't see any tax cuts are those people like you who live in high tax states and pay more than $10K a year in sales, income or property taxes. People who live in reasonable taxed states like CO will indeed see a tax cut.
Builder
 
  0  
Thu 21 Dec, 2017 04:25 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
I'm a wee bit hopeful that my long-held dream of the UN leaving NYC and the US as a whole comes true as a result of the recent vote.


Agree completely. Like any such org, it is wide-open to corruption, which means its relevance is under a cloud.
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maporsche
 
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Thu 21 Dec, 2017 04:28 pm
@Baldimo,
In fact, according to several tax calculators that I've seen online, I stand to get about $2,800 back in tax cuts. The NYTimes one is below.

I don't need that money, neither do most people in my situation, especially on the backs of the future and the 1.5+ Trillion in deficit spending that was just voted on.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/17/upshot/tax-calculator.html
 

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