@Lash,
Quote:I'm not in denial about the facts...
So you accept that Russia attempted to destabilize the political climate in 2016 by releasing hacked documents and promoting disinformation on social media sites?
Quote:...so there's no reason to avoid what they have to say.
No reason to receive it uncritically either.
@layman,
Hcire Remier wrote:President Trump's rhetoric turned from humorous playfulness with liberal America to often outright open disdain. Away from Washington, the attitudes of many of those on the right turned even more resentful.
Today we see the manifestation of those attitudes now in full bloom. Few Republicans now have any more interest in bipartisanship, instead preaching to the choir in fundraising emails or on Breitbart about how Democratic actions are evil.
Many “establishment” Republicans still hope for the return of a time when our discourse and process was less polarized. Nonetheless, a new breed of Republican activists that is rising in the party has no such inclination. For them, destroying liberals is almost as worthwhile a goal as promoting their conservative causes.
bizarro source
Flip a few key words and the commentary sounds just as reasonable in reverse. This isn't even "fake news". It's just fluff.
@hightor,
Well, now the feeling's mutual, sure. As soon as Bannon announces that an open season on cheese-eaters has been passed, I will be slappin some buckshot in my sawed-off, sho nuff.
Quote:The Trump administration wants to let employers control workers’ tips.
...The Department of Labor’s proposed rule is about employers taking control of workers’ tips. It rescinds portions of long-standing Department of Labor regulations that prohibit employers from taking tips. Under the administration’s proposed rule, as long as the tipped workers earn the minimum wage, the employer can legally pocket their tips.
WP
These people are utterly repugnant.
@layman,
Quote:What's the strategy here, I wonder?
The Republican strategy has always been to use tax cuts as a way to bribe the electorate. "Vote for us and get another $10 a week in your paycheck." Better check withholding rates though or all the opioid-eaters are going to find themselves with a tax bill and no refund when April 15, 2019 rolls around.
@hightor,
Thinking critically doesn’t necessitate denying facts.
When Russian intervention is proven by evidence to have altered the outcome of the 2016 election, I’ll believe it. <— - an example of critical thinking
Prevarication and warped language are very important to the conservative-corporate agenda. Beginning in 1953, business and community leaders began the "Keep America Beautiful" movement, which continues to this day. The purpose was to reduce highway littering, and to restrict billboard placement as well as the size of billboards. The movement got a big boost when Lady Bird Johnson threw her considerable influence into the movement. But note the language--keep America beautiful. There was not implication that America was ugly and that something needed to be done about it. Now contrast that with President Plump's mantra of "make America great again." When did America cease being great? He insulted the nation, and his sycophantic supporters lapped it up.
The lies and distortions run deeper than that, though. People who oppose deforestation are called "tree huggers," and dismissed. Of course, they are dismissed, because there is so much profit for corporations in clear cutting thousands of square miles of forest. Cut down the Brazilian rain forest, and sell the lumber to Japan and Europe. Then plant soy beans, one of the most ecologically destructive cash crops when produced with industrial farming methods. More than that, the industrial methods for cutting down forests have serious implications for global warming. Millions of tons of CO2 are dumped into the atmosphere from the mechanize process, and the brush and the trimmed material from the lumber production are simply burned off. The destruction of the forests also removes a critical, natural method for carbon sequestration.
Plump says he will bring jobs back to America. Oh? How will that work? The corporate tax cut will not change that cheap manufactured goods will still come from China, and Japan's industrial client states (Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, the Philippines and others). The American textile industry is moribund, and corporate tax cuts won't change that. China and south Asia (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and others) will still be the major producers of cheap clothing in the world. Corporations benefit no matter where goods are produced, so long as they've got a finger in the pie--and they do. They don't give a rat's ass about American workers. Even as Plump was blathering about that, his labor recruiters were busy finding foreign workers for Plump Hotels, because they're cheaper to employ than Americans.
So many Americans have been duped by the lies and phony rhetoric. Corporate interests are delighted with this, and more than happy to put a good deal of their considerable advertising budgets into the promotion of the Plump fantasy version of America.
Name calling, distortion and diversion are at the heart of the Plump propaganda machine. Attacks on the so-called mainstream media (which is actually largely owned by conservatives and corporate interests) further the propaganda by eroding public confidence in the news media and through the attempt to intimidate journalists. I'm not impressed by journalists as a class, especially their shallow pretentions to a knowledge of events, issues and cause and effect--but they're all we've got to oppose to the Plump fantasy world.
@Lash,
An example of selective thinking. It doesn't matter if the interference was successful in one of it's aims, that of electing Trump rather than Hillary. What matters is that Russia sought to weaken our democracy and voters trust in the voting system, to sow general discord.
It succeeded in general. If Trump had not resisted the idea of Russian interference in the first place, the investigation into it would have gone much smoother. His very resistance has fed the idea of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia in the minds of voters before any conclusions have been drawn. (there are polls confirming that last sentence, don't want to look them up but they are easy enough to find.)
@Lash,
For what must be the thousandth time, what about evidence that they
tried to influence the election?
@revelette1,
I feel like you people are crazy.
Our government does more meddling in the affairs of other countries—including Russia—often and many times using our military—either full-on, or more secretly, or by arms trading with other entities who do our bidding— than any other country on the face of the earth.
Talk about selective thinking.
The hypocrisy of your (and the rest of A2K’s echo chamber) comment is astonishing.
How can you act as though normal dabbling online even compares to what your own country is guilty of? Russia is guilty of sending a gnat to us in response to a fleet of F16s.
Be real, ffs.
@Lash,
Your last response reminds me sadly of what you wrote about the wall and fences in Germany: a lot of greatest ignorance.
@hightor,
Nice prose, based on just a couple of stated principles, but utterly devoid of references to many factual counter arguments. The emphasis on the flaws of contemporary populist political movements in Turkey Hungary & India is an apparent effort to associate Trump with political movements quite unconnected with his policies and aspirations for this country. Rather it is merely a vapid defense of a weak and leaderless left wing movement in this country that appears to have no policy or goals other than opposition our elected government, and a party that defeated them in elections for State & Federal Legislatures and Executives across the country.
Gradually the accumulating facts confirming the beneficial effects of the reduction of regulations that unduly constrain freedom, and usually go well beyond the original intent in the enabling legislation; the already evident benefits of our renewed focus on economic growth as the ultimate source of our power and security will continue to focus Americans of the benefits of our current policy directions. In the interim The new Administration must deal with the unbounded rage of the party and (now departed) Administration it so soundly defeated in the 2016 elections
From the start Trump has challenged the growing autonomy of government bureaucracies and the legislative lassitude that has contributed to it. It is no surprise that organized resistance has been emerging for some time from within the upper reaches of these bureaucracies, and the evidence of it can be seen in their blatant refusals to rely or respond to authoritative Congressional requests for information.
The quoted NYT piece makes no mention of any of the above points or of the related political issues,and how they played out in the 2016 election. Instead it offers a theory of widespread deception and lies in which the world appears upside down. While this may well be a partly accurate description of the current perceptions of left wing liberals, still disorientated by their defeat in 2016, and suddenly aware that many of their own lies have been found out, it is certainly not an accurate or complete description of the current political situation in this country. On the contrary, the clarity of our situation; the economic goals we can achieve; and benefits that can result are becoming clearer each day.
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter must believe the US isn’t running any wars right now.
Walter must believe that the US doesn’t spy on other countries.
Walter must believe the US doesn’t work to overthrow other governments when the US could benefit.
If Walter believes any of these things, Walter is the ‘greatest ignorant’ one.
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:The emphasis on the flaws of contemporary populist political movements in Turkey Hungary & India is an apparent effort to associate Trump with political movements quite unconnected with his policies and aspirations for this country.
I think it is more an attempt to draw attention to other populist movements around the world which are upsetting the post-war liberal-democratic consensus which had characterized both major parties' foreign policy. Trump said as much during the campaign when he allied himself with Nigel Farage and Marine LePen.
Quote: (...) that appears to have no policy or goals other than opposition our elected government, and a party that defeated them in elections (...)
That's standard behavior for an opposition party. The policies and goals are to restore programs and procedures altered or ended by the current administration. I don't see how you can find that objectionable.
Quote:(...)the beneficial effects of the reduction of regulations(...)evident benefits of our renewed focus on economic growth(...)
The economic growth should not be an end in itself. Businesses in the pursuit of profit have historically engaged in practices which have been destructive to the environment, to workers, and to social cohesion in general. Sure, let's let corporations write the rules and do anything they want. Then let's let the next generation clean up the mess. Deregulation is just another excuse to maximize profits, irresponsibly, in the short term.
Quote:(...)and the evidence of it can be seen in their blatant refusals to rely or respond to authoritative Congressional requests for information.
The administration has stonewalled inquiries and established new secrecy protocols as well.
Quote:(...)still disorientated by their defeat in 2016, and suddenly aware that many of their own lies have been found out(...)
Yup, many people were surprised by Trump's win but your premise that there is widespread and persistent "disorientation" on the left and that their "lies" have been exposed just seems like a throwaway comment, a parting shot, an insult added for effect.
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
The Republican strategy has always been to use tax cuts as a way to bribe the electorate.
Sure, they're just a lot smarter with their bribes. When the republicans bribe them, they STAY bribed, eh?
Quote:Democrats were shocked when the people they were seeking to benefit began protesting their policy ideas. Rather than exploring free-market proposals from conservatives, Democrats pressed on and passed ObamaCare. They hoped for a vote of confidence in the 2010 elections from a thankful American people.
A wave came, but it was in the opposite direction as Republicans achieved a historic sweep of Congress. Democrats lost over 63 seats in the House, the largest House swing since 1948.
My Democratic colleagues and associates at the time were flabbergasted. The very people they believed they had been trying to “help” turned against them in droves.
Cheese-eaters think the commie-ass policies they advocate "appeal" to voters.
Nice try, cheese-eaters. Ya think you're winnin win you're losin. Keep on truckin, there, eh?
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I had thought - like most who understand politics - the "neo-" in "neo-liberal" referred to the meaning of "liberal" in the meaning it is used where this term was invented/first used.
Liberal outside the USA means something different ...
As always in semantics, context is key. In European political speach, the term "neo-liberal" summarises the idea that economic regulation by the state is always or most often a bad idea. I guess you're right that the "neo" refers to coming back to pre-keynnesian economics, to Pareto's ideas about economic inequalities being inherently good, a strength of the capitalist system, a motivation for wealth creation and economic competition.
It's the idea that the invention of the modern welfare state was a mistake, that regulating banks was a mistake, that the US needs to roll back FDR-era regulations, or that developing states should disband their public health and education services.
It's the ideology behind tax cuts.