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blatham
 
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Sat 16 Dec, 2017 09:02 am
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layman
 
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Sat 16 Dec, 2017 09:02 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Cohen's basic message seems to me to be that Russia and the US need to co-operate in destroying ISIS because it is a serious security threat to both countries (and to the whole world, for that matter).

He believes that should be done even if the two countries oppose each other on many issues.

I agree with him.

For those who don't recall, we were great buddies with Uncle Joe Stalin when we (and others) were both fighting Hitler.

Winston Churhill wrote:
If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.
blatham
 
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Sat 16 Dec, 2017 09:09 am
@revelette1,
The text portion of the WSJ is behind the pay wall but the explanatory video is available. And it's good.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 16 Dec, 2017 09:11 am
@layman,
layman wrote:
Cohen's basic message seems to me to be that Russia and the US need to co-operate in destroying ISIS because it is a serious security threat to both countries (and to the whole world, for that matter).
Oh. Thanks, I didn't get that.
revelette1
 
  4  
Sat 16 Dec, 2017 09:13 am
@blatham,
I am beginning to think it is not a hyperbole to say we are in the beginning stages of an authoritarian governed country.

Edit:
To help explain what I meant.

'Authoritarian populism' behind Donald Trump's victory and Brexit becoming driving force in European politics
blatham
 
  3  
Sat 16 Dec, 2017 09:17 am
Now, here is a rather incredible Republican woman. She has a political future, I sure hope.
Trent Franks rescinded my internship when I wouldn’t come to his house
By Melissa Richmond
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farmerman
 
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Sat 16 Dec, 2017 09:26 am
@revelette1,
Ive heard that the HUGO BOSS label will be resurrected for Trumpietype uniforms and party shirts
layman
 
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Sat 16 Dec, 2017 09:28 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Ive heard that the HUGO BOSS label will be resurrected for Trumpietype uniforms and party shirts


I have no clue who Hugo Boss is, Farmer, but I suspect you're mistaken. They're gunna be the "orange shirts." Steve Bannon will be their Himmler.
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blatham
 
  4  
Sat 16 Dec, 2017 09:29 am
@revelette1,
A lot of what is going on now has roots that go back. The right wing desire and organizational efforts to effectively control as much of the court system as possible is just on example. If you can, by intention and design, control the basic institutions of government (courts, voting regulations, setting district boundaries, etc) then you are already at the point where authoritarianism has taken hold.
Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Sat 16 Dec, 2017 09:36 am
@blatham,
It must be quite frustrating ...

E.P.A. Contractor Has Spent Past Year Scouring the Agency for Anti-Trump Officials
Quote:
Charles Tiefer, a professor of contract law at the University of Baltimore, said he could see no legal justification for finding that only one company had the qualifications to gather news articles.

“Clearly E.P.A. didn’t treat any other vendor seriously,” Mr. Tieffer said. ““There’s no reason on earth that E.P.A. didn’t at the absolute minimum phone around or email for three competing bids and go with the lowest one.”

Mr. Tieffer said the company appeared to be hired solely for ideological reasons. “This has crony favoritism and bias written all over it,” he said. “This is not merely letting the fox into the henhouse. This is hiring, at a high price, the fox.”
revelette1
 
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Sat 16 Dec, 2017 09:42 am
@blatham,
Quote:
A comment posted on the Federal Communications Commission’s public docket endorses a Trump-administration plan to repeal a “net neutrality” policy requiring internet providers to treat all web traffic the same.

Calling the old Obama-era policy an “exploitation of the open Internet,” the comment was posted on June 2 by Donna Duthie of Lake Bluff, Ill.
It’s a fake. Ms. Duthie died 12 years ago.

The Wall Street Journal has uncovered thousands of other fraudulent comments on regulatory dockets at federal agencies, some using what appear to be stolen identities posted by computers programmed to pile comments onto the dockets.

Reports earlier this year of fraudulent comments on the FCC docket prompted the Journal to investigate the phenomenon there and at other federal agencies. After sending surveys to nearly 1 million people—predominantly from the FCC docket—the Journal found a much wider problem than previously reported, including nearly 7,800 people who told the Journal comments posted on federal dockets in their names were fakes.

The Journal found instances of fakes that favored antiregulation stances but also comments mirroring consumer-groups’ pro-regulation talking points, posted without permission of people whose names were on them.

Such distortions, often unknown even to the agencies involved, cut against an important element of democracy, the public’s ability to participate in federal rule-making. The public-comment process, mandated by law, can influence outcomes of regulations affecting millions.

It is a federal felony to knowingly make false, fictitious or fraudulent statements to a U.S. agency.

The scope of the fake comments is evident on the FCC website in 818,000 identical postings backing its new internet policy. The agency is expected on Thursday to roll back President Barack Obama’s 2015 rules, which telecommunication companies have called onerous. Consumer groups and Internet giants such as Alphabet Inc.’s Google and Facebook Inc. back the Obama rules and have fought efforts by FCC Chairman Ajit Pai to nix them.

In a random sample of 2,757 people whose emails were used to post those 818,000 comments, 72% said they had nothing to do with them, according to a survey the Journal conducted with research firm Mercury Analytics.

“It makes me feel like our democracy is broken,” said Jack Hirsch, chief executive of software startup Butter.ai, who learned from the Journal his name was on a fake submission supporting the Trump-administration position, which he opposes, saying it would harm his San Francisco firm.

Agencies generally accept public comments via email, mail or hand delivery. Some also let people post directly onto their websites. Some require registration first or collect comments and then publicly post them later.

The Journal heard from people reporting fraudulent postings under their names and email addresses at the FCC, Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, Federal Energy Regulatory Commission and Securities and Exchange Commission.

One 369-word comment supporting the Obama-era net-neutrality rules was posted on the FCC website more than 300,000 times. One of those was attributed to Gloria Burney, 87, a retired speech therapist in Los Angeles.

She isn’t in favor of repealing those rules, she said, “but I never wrote that.”
A comment from “Elzor The Blarghmaster” at 9632 Elm Road, Maywood, Ill., was among the 818,000 identical FCC comments backing the Trump policy. No such address could be found, said Jimmie Thompson, a U.S. Postal Service carrier in Maywood.

Comments filed with the SEC on the proposed sale of the Chicago Stock Exchange include one submitted by “Jason Blake, commentator, The Wall Street Journal.” The Journal has had no employee by that name, Journal spokesman Steve Severinghaus said.

Comments filed with the SEC on the proposed sale of the Chicago Stock Exchange include one submitted by “Jason Blake, commentator, The Wall Street Journal.” The Journal has had no employee by that name, Journal spokesman Steve Severinghaus said.

The SEC said it removed the comment. Asked what it does to verify commenters’ identities, the SEC said letters not attributable to known people or entities “​​are assessed during the course of the rule-making process.”

​CFPB spokesman John Czwartacki said: “Director [Mick] Mulvaney is concerned about any inauthentic data that comes to the Bureau. We intend to look into this matter further.” An agency official said the bureau doesn’t verify each comment and doesn’t require commenters to submit the type of information that might assist in authenticating their comments.

FERC spokeswoman Mary O’Driscoll, asked what the agency does to verify commenters’ identities, said: “If someone believes that they have been misrepresented in comments filed with us, they should contact us to let us know.”

FCC spokesman Brian Hart said questionable comments on its net-neutrality rule included some “submitted in the name of Superman and Batman, among others. These comments, however, are generally not substantive so thus have no impact on a rulemaking.” Asked what the FCC does to verify identities, he said: “We err on the side of keeping the public record open and do not have the resources to investigate every comment that is filed.

Comments filed with the SEC on the proposed sale of the Chicago Stock Exchange include one submitted by “Jason Blake, commentator, The Wall Street Journal.” The Journal has had no employee by that name, Journal spokesman Steve Severinghaus said.

The SEC said it removed the comment. Asked what it does to verify commenters’ identities, the SEC said letters not attributable to known people or entities “​​are assessed during the course of the rule-making process.”

​CFPB spokesman John Czwartacki said: “Director [Mick] Mulvaney is concerned about any inauthentic data that comes to the Bureau. We intend to look into this matter further.” An agency official said the bureau doesn’t verify each comment and doesn’t require commenters to submit the type of information that might assist in authenticating their comments.

FERC spokeswoman Mary O’Driscoll, asked what the agency does to verify commenters’ identities, said: “If someone believes that they have been misrepresented in comments filed with us, they should contact us to let us know.”

FCC spokesman Brian Hart said questionable comments on its net-neutrality rule included some “submitted in the name of Superman and Batman, among others. These comments, however, are generally not substantive so thus have no impact on a rulemaking.” Asked what the FCC does to verify identities, he said: “We err on the side of keeping the public record open and do not have the resources to investigate every comment that is filed.

Under the Administrative Procedures Act, agencies must take comments under consideration but needn’t pay heed to them. The impact often comes afterward, when the regulated parties appeal to the next administration, the courts or Congress, which can alter a rule or slow its implementation.

Failure to consider comments has become a factor in litigation, with judges sometimes forcing an agency to address comments it ignored.

“Astroturf lobbying”—typically when an interest group gins up support from individuals and characterizes it as a grass-roots movement—has been around Washington for decades.

Agencies were already swamped with comments from these mass emailings of duplicate comments, which aren’t considered fraud if groups submitting them have authorization from individuals named. The CFPB last year had such a hard time managing the 1.4 million comments on its payday-lending rule that it fired one contractor and hired a new one to process them, according to internal emails released under the Freedom of Information Act.

As with many agencies, the CFPB opts not to put many of the duplicative comments online. It posted 200,000 “unique” comments out of the 1.4 million on its payday-lending proposal.

But postings the Journal uncovered went beyond being merely duplicative—they were outright fabricated. They included comments from stolen email addresses, defunct email accounts and people who unwittingly gave permission for their comments to be posted. Hundreds of identities on fake comments were found listed in an online catalog of hacks and breaches.

The largest number of comments the Journal confirmed as phony were to the FCC, one of few agencies to routinely post email addresses with comments. Its net-neutrality rule has generated 23 million comments, believed to be the most a federal agency has received on a rule.

Suspicions of fakery in net-neutrality comments emerged in May, when thousands of emails poured into the FCC after HBO’s “Last Week Tonight with John Oliver” urged viewers to support the Obama policy. They were followed by thousands backing repeal.

Chicago programmer Chris Sinchok said he spotted a sharp increase in comments that began: “The unprecedented regulatory power the Obama administration imposed on the internet is smothering innovation.”

He found a near-constant rate—1,000 every 10 minutes—punctuated by periods of zero comments, as if web robots were turning on and off. He determined many were from hacked accounts.

After Mr. Sinchok and a pro-net-neutrality group, Fight for the Future, blogged that they found indications thousands of FCC comments might be fakes using stolen identities, New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman in May began a criminal investigation.

The Journal examined those “unprecedented regulatory power” comments and found that duplicates of it exceeded any other comment according to Quid Inc., a San Francisco tech firm that analyzes massive amounts of content and studied the data at the Journal’s request.

The comment has been posted on the FCC website more than 818,000 times. The Journal sent surveys to 531,000 email accounts associated with that comment. More than 7,000 bounced back, the accounts defunct. Of the 2,757 who responded, 1,994, or 72%, said the comment was falsely submitted. The survey’s margin of error was plus or minus 1.86% points.

The survey’s results, Mercury Analytics CEO Ron Howard said, are “a very significant indication of fraud.”

“Generating tens and sometimes hundreds of thousands of fake posts on public comment websites for the purpose of swaying public opinion and impacting the opinions of political decision makers is wide-scale,” Mr. Howard said, “not limited to a party, not limited to an issue, and not limited to a social ideology.”

Though a majority of those who responded agreed with the comments attributed to them, many were alarmed their identities had been misappropriated.

“How the hell is this possible ??????” Jessica Lints of Blossvale, N.Y., wrote the Journal. “And if these people are so damn concerned about this issue that I know nothing about why are they not using their own names?” Mrs. Lints, an assistant Boy Scout scoutmaster, said she is careful about not expressing political opinions.

The Journal also examined 2.8 million of the 23 million comments in four clusters and sent surveys to 956,000 of those addresses—including the 531,000 sent to the “unprecedented regulatory power” commenters—seeking to verify the people made the comments.

Based on the responses, three batches expressing anti-regulatory viewpoints were 63%, 72% and 80% bogus comments. The fourth set, in favor of the old rules, was 32% bogus.

Mr. Hart, the FCC spokesman, said the “most suspicious activity has been by those supporting Internet regulation.” He said the FCC received more than 7.5 million comments consisting of the same short-form letter supporting the current rules from about 45,000 unique email addresses, “all generated by a single fake e-mail generator website.”

He said the FCC received more than 400,000 comments supporting the old rules “from the same address in Russia.”

A review of the FCC comments by data-analytics firm Emprata determined that 36% of the docket, 7.75 million comments, were attributable to FakeMailGenerator.com, a site that generates one-time emails and can’t receive emails. The analysis was commissioned by a group of telecommunications firms that support the Trump-administration proposal.

These contained nearly identical comments, virtually all opposing the proposal, Emprata said. Emprata CEO Paul Salasznyk said “our analysis was conducted in an independent fashion.” Efforts to locate FakeMailGenerator.com representatives weren’t successful.

Reports of the fake FCC comments have led some lawmakers to demand probes. After Fight for the Future said it found about 24 people saying they hadn’t posted the “unprecedented regulatory power” comment, Rep. Frank Pallone Jr. of New Jersey asked the Justice Department to investigate those comments as criminal acts.

The Justice Department hasn’t responded to the request, Mr. Pallone’s spokesman said. Justice spokeswoman Lauren Ehrsam confirmed the letter was received, declining to comment further. Mr. Pallone and 10 other members last week wrote the Government Accountability Office seeking an investigation. The GAO said it already had plans next year to begin examining the FCC’s information-security controls, including over internet comments.

This month, 28 senators wrote a letter to the FCC saying the comment pool was so polluted it should delay the net-neutrality decision.

It is difficult to determine who is behind phony comments. The Journal found clues in data embedded in online documents, which showed more than 4,000 fake comments had been submitted to the CFPB through IssueHound, a Richmond, Va., firm. It charges interest groups to use its software and create websites to gather hundreds and thousands of like-minded people to write unique comments or send pre-written statements to lawmakers and regulators. Its website says it “randomly selects related paragraphs and generates unique letters.”

Jay Thomas Smith, an IssueHound spokesman, said clients “use our program because it affords greater flexibility for letter-writers, more accurately expressing the writer’s views on an issue,” adding that the software “requires human input.” He declined to comment on CFPB-rule work.

IssueHound played a role in anomalies the Journal found on the CFPB’s site seeking comment on its proposal to tighten payday-lending rules, set to take effect July 2019.

Quid reviewed the 200,000 “unique” comments the CFPB posted on its payday-lending proposal. They weren’t entirely unique. More than 100 sentences opposing the payday rule each appeared within more than 350 different comments.

This sentence was embedded in 492 comments: “I sometimes wondered how I would be able to pay for my high power bill, especially in the hot summer and cold winters.”

The Journal emailed about 13,000 surveys to those posting comments to the CFPB site. About 120 completed surveys. Four out of 10 said they didn’t send the comment associated with them. These comments opposed the new regulations.

Ashley Marie Mireles, 26, said she didn’t write the comment posted on the CFPB’s website under her name but had clues how it got there. Her former employer, payday lender California Check Cashing Stores, told branch personnel in Clovis, Calif., to fill out an online survey after too few customers did, she said. In the survey, she said she received a payday loan for “car bills.” She had borrowed $50 to patch a tire.

On July 8, 2016, a 217-word comment with Ms. Mireles’s name and email was sent to the CFPB, reading, in part: “I had no idea the bill would be as expensive as it was after I took my car to the shop. To help me pay for everything, I went to get a cash loan.”

Untrue, she said. Her family owns an auto shop where she doesn’t pay.
Bridgette Roman, spokeswoman for California Check Cashing, denied Ms. Mireles’ account, saying customers were offered a computer that walked them through creation of “a customized comment” on the rule and were told it would be submitted to the CFPB. “The former employee was mistaken or confused.”

Ms. Mireles’s comment showed it originated from IssueHound and TelltheCFPB.com, a site used by a payday-lending trade group.

Another comment originating from IssueHound and TelltheCFPB.com came from Carla Morrison of Rhodes, Iowa. It included: “This is my only good option for borrowing money, so I hope these rules don’t happen.”

Ms. Morrison, 63, said she had nothing to do with it. She said she got a $323 payday loan and ended up owing more than $8,000 on it through a payday lender. “I most definitely think they should be regulated.”

The payday-lending trade group, Community Financial Services Association of America, used IssueHound and TelltheCFPB.com to send comments on the payday-lending rule, said Dennis Shaul, the group’s CEO.


WSJ

I have a little of a guilty conscience, but there is a news app which lets you read from subscription news site for free. It takes a while to edit it, (it comes with no spaces when you copy and paste) and this piece was so long... but interesting. Anyway, here it is in full.
layman
 
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Sat 16 Dec, 2017 09:44 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Charles Tiefer, a professor of contract law at the University of Baltimore, said he could see no legal justification for finding that only one company had the qualifications to gather news articles.

“Clearly E.P.A. didn’t treat any other vendor seriously,” Mr. Tieffer said. “There’s no reason on earth that E.P.A. didn’t at the absolute minimum phone around or email for three competing bids and go with the lowest one.


The article you cite also says this:

Quote:
Jahan Wilcox, a spokesman at the E.P.A., said the decision to hire Definers, which signed a $120,000 no-bid contract to monitor and collect news coverage about the agency, was solely financial. The E.P.A. previously contracted with Bulletin Intelligence L.L.C. for media services at a rate of $207,000 a year. That contract was open to other bids.


Last I heard, $120,000 is a lot less than $207,000, know what I'm sayin?
blatham
 
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Sat 16 Dec, 2017 09:50 am
Quote:
those op-eds were deceptive cut-and-paste jobs that appeared virtually word-for-word in other publications by different authors and were part of a pro-corporate tax cut media campaign by a deep-pocketed business lobbying group and one of the largest corporations in the country.

NFIB placed four op-eds in newspapers that were virtually identical but were supposedly written by four different authors. Editors told Media Matters that the lobbying group didn’t inform them they were using the same language elsewhere and had they known they wouldn’t have run the pieces.
MM

This is one of the oldest tools in the propaganda tool-kit.
1) make some truth claim or insinuation with no concern for the validity or truth of what is claimed
2) pump it out to numerous different nodes in the media or culture which are granted authority/credibility for them to repeat (eg, a typical goal - get it into the NYT)

The reason this trick works is that it gives an impression (a false impression) of consensus that this truth-claim or insinuation is probably/possibly accurate. The propagandist using this trick understands that humans find it easier to join a perceived consensus than to stand against it.
layman
 
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Sat 16 Dec, 2017 10:02 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

The propagandist using this trick understands that humans find it easier to join a perceived consensus than to stand against it.

Yeah, just ask any cheese-eater, eh?

As the head propagandist for the cheese-eaters in this thread, you certainly ought to know.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 16 Dec, 2017 10:08 am
@layman,
layman wrote:
Last I heard, $120,000 is a lot less than $207,000, know what I'm sayin?
$ 120,000 ... competing ... ? (There was no other competing bid - you compared it to the previously contract)
layman
 
  -2  
Sat 16 Dec, 2017 10:13 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

layman wrote:
Last I heard, $120,000 is a lot less than $207,000, know what I'm sayin?
$ 120,000 ... competing ... ? (There was no other competing bid - you compared it to the previously contract)


You make the point for them, Walt. If the previous contract WAS competitive, and if the lowest cost they could get under those circumstances was $207,000, then why look further if you're given an offer of $120,000 now?

If a guy offers to paint your entire house for $10 are you going to send him packing until you solicit lower bids?

I don't think so! Homey don't play dat.

You tell the guy: You can start immediately.
layman
 
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Sat 16 Dec, 2017 10:27 am
Don't they know they can't do this to no white boy?

Quote:
Unarmed man's death 'an execution' by Arizona officer, widow says

Video of the incident showed officers ordered Shaver to exit his hotel room, lay face-down in a hallway and refrain from making sudden movements -- or risk being shot.

Shaver, sobbing as he begged police not to kill him, was ordered to crawl toward the officers. As he inched forward, Shaver reached toward the waistband of his shorts. Brailsford said he fired his rifle because he believed Shaver was grabbing a handgun in his waistband. Later, however, investigators found Shaver was unarmed. Two pellet rifles related to his pest-control job were later found in his hotel room.

"It was an execution," Sweet said. "You had a man begging for his life, and he was shot five times for what? For his elbow coming up too high? For being confused? For being compliant? Why did he deserve to die? He didn't."


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/14/unarmed-mans-death-execution-by-arizona-officer-widow-says.html


Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 16 Dec, 2017 10:28 am
@layman,
Obviously, they just and only asked ONE, and got that $120,000 offer- so just guessing that nobody else would give a lower bid is enough if there's a strong Republican tie.
layman
 
  -3  
Sat 16 Dec, 2017 10:29 am
@layman,
Oh, wait, my bad, yes they can:

Quote:
Video of the shooting was released to the public Thursday after Brailsford was found not guilty by jurors.

"I just don't understand how anybody could watch that video and then say 'not guilty,' that this is justified," Sweet said. "That Daniel deserved this and that Philip Brailsford doesn't deserve to be held accountable for his actions."


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/14/unarmed-mans-death-execution-by-arizona-officer-widow-says.html
BillW
 
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Sat 16 Dec, 2017 10:38 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

layman wrote:
Cohen's basic message seems to me to be that Russia and the US need to co-operate in destroying ISIS because it is a serious security threat to both countries (and to the whole world, for that matter).
Oh. Thanks, I didn't get that.


Trouble is, all talk for tRussians. They say they will go after ISSL; but, then only go after US backed rebels. Sad, so sad.
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