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Builder
 
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Tue 12 Dec, 2017 04:14 pm
Not hearing much about the apparent demise of one of the most powerful lobbying groups in the game either.

“The firm as it existed is essentially over,” one Podesta Group staffer said. “The vast majority of people are going their own way.”

At an emotional staff meeting late Thursday afternoon, Fritts told staffers they could clear out their offices and said that Wednesday might be their last payday.

“We will try to compensate you on the 30th, but we can’t make any promises,” Fritts said, according to one staffer who was in the meeting.

Podesta tapped Fritts as his successor last week, hours after an indictment was unsealed charging Paul Manafort and his deputy, Rick Gates, with breaking foreign lobbying law. Special counsel Robert Mueller is investigating Manafort, President Donald Trump’s former campaign chairman, as part of his probe into Russia meddling in the 2016 election.(end quote)

The plot thickens.

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blatham
 
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Tue 12 Dec, 2017 04:30 pm
@maporsche,
Quote:
items like I posted about logic are only funny in a 'I can't believe they're serious!!" kind of way.
It's worthwhile to take some time with the site. Here's a bit (a very, very small bit) from "Obama's Religion". The site is filled with this sort of stuff:
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Possible closet atheist/agnostic
There are several reasons to doubt that Obama is an atheist. Very few Africans or African Americans are atheists, for example, and even fewer still who were raised in multi-cultural Hawaii and Indonesia as was Obama. He has displayed none of the common characteristics of atheists, such as evolution syndrome, a "wannabe" desire to be accepted intellectually, belief in an Old Earth, obesity, or a lack of ambition. His favorite science fiction movies show no propensity towards atheism.[98]

"His favorite science fiction movies"???
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blatham
 
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Tue 12 Dec, 2017 04:44 pm
Will Bunch echoes my thinking
Quote:
Trump looks ready to fire Mueller. There's no guarantee this ends like Watergate

...In the fall of 2017, rather than honor that lesson from history, the 45th president and his minions are forging a campaign to fire the special counsel investigating Trump, Robert Mueller — and get away with it.

And he just might — any ensuing constitutional crisis and implosion of American democracy be damned. That’s because Trump has assets on his side that Nixon could not have dreamed of four decades ago.

They include an unofficial “state-run media” that goes by the name of Fox News and reliably parrots the latest line from Trump while lambasting his political opponents, a GOP-led Congress that has been largely cowed into submissive lapdogs, and a core base of voters now well-trained to believe the mainstream outlets that report accurately on Mueller and the Trump-Russia scandal are, in fact, “fake news.”
Philly
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blatham
 
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Tue 12 Dec, 2017 04:47 pm
Here's an interesting notion
Quote:
Eric Kleefeld‏
@EricKleefeld
Important to realize: For most of history, sexual assault of a woman was a crime on the rationale that you were violating *another man's* property rights over her.

But now, the conservative mind doesn't see autonomous women — just women without owners. Not a sin to assault them.
BillW
 
  2  
Tue 12 Dec, 2017 05:01 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Here's an interesting notion
Quote:
Eric Kleefeld‏
@EricKleefeld
Important to realize: For most of history, sexual assault of a woman was a crime on the rationale that you were violating *another man's* property rights over her.

But now, the conservative mind doesn't see autonomous women — just women without owners. Not a sin to assault them.



Per the bible, women are mens chattel property. If they are free and running around on the loose, they need to be tamed.

Here is a thought I have been pondering, tRump only cares about getting taxes done. Makes of couple of billion in his last years. He cares a little about Russia, but, just can't get that done without help he ain't gonna get. He can show Putin he tried. Maybe still get the Moscow tower build?

So, he gets taxes done, blanket pardons himself and all his family; then, resigns in January. Got what he wanted.....
blatham
 
  3  
Tue 12 Dec, 2017 05:11 pm
@BillW,
My reading is a bit different, Bill. Trump will surely gain personally from the rewrite of tax laws. He has bragged about using loopholes in tax law and elsewhere to make himself as rich as possible. There's no moral distance between that completely selfish motivation and using his office to ensure that he and family personally benefit from the design of this bill. He would consider himself a fool and loser if he didn't.

But the main push for this law doesn't come from Trump. Aside from enriching self and family, the one motivation that appears, to my eyes at least, most clearly and consistently is doing whatever damage he can to Obama's bills and policies.
Builder
 
  -2  
Tue 12 Dec, 2017 05:11 pm
Here’s the Public Evidence Russia Hacked the DNC — It’s Not Enough

Sam Biddle

December 15 2016

{snip}
"There’s a lot of evidence from the attack on the table, mostly detailing how the hack was perpetrated, and possibly the language of the perpetrators. It certainly remains plausible that Russians hacked the DNC, and remains possible that Russia itself ordered it. But the refrain of Russian attribution has been repeated so regularly and so emphatically that it’s become easy to forget that no one has ever truly proven the claim. There is strong evidence indicating that Democratic email accounts were breached via phishing messages, and that specific malware was spread across DNC computers. There’s even evidence that the attackers are the same group that’s been spotted attacking other targets in the past. But again: No one has actually proven that group is the Russian government (or works for it). This remains the enormous inductive leap that’s not been reckoned with, and Americans deserve better.

We should also bear in mind that private security firm CrowdStrike’s frequently cited findings of Russian responsibility were essentially paid for by the DNC, which contracted its services in June. It’s highly unusual for evidence of a crime to be assembled on the victim’s dime. If we’re going to blame the Russian government for disrupting our presidential election — easily construed as an act of war — we need to be damn sure of every single shred of evidence. Guesswork and assumption could be disastrous.

The gist of the Case Against Russia goes like this: The person or people who infiltrated the DNC’s email system and the account of John Podesta left behind clues of varying technical specificity indicating they have some connection to Russia, or at least speak Russian. Guccifer 2.0, the entity that originally distributed hacked materials from the Democratic party, is a deeply suspicious figure who has made statements and decisions that indicate some Russian connection. The website DCLeaks, which began publishing a great number of DNC emails, has some apparent ties to Guccifer and possibly Russia. And then there’s WikiLeaks, which after a long, sad slide into paranoia, conspiracy theorizing, and general internet toxicity has made no attempt to mask its affection for Vladimir Putin and its crazed contempt for Hillary Clinton. (Julian Assange has been stuck indoors for a very, very long time.) If you look at all of this and sort of squint, it looks quite strong indeed, an insurmountable heap of circumstantial evidence too great in volume to dismiss as just circumstantial or mere coincidence.

But look more closely at the above and you can’t help but notice all of the qualifying words: Possibly, appears, connects, indicates. It’s impossible (or at least dishonest) to present the evidence for Russian responsibility for hacking the Democrats without using language like this. The question, then, is this: Do we want to make major foreign policy decisions with a belligerent nuclear power based on suggestions alone, no matter how strong?........(end quote)

So the doubts have always been there, but I'm guessing to save face, the MSM is running with it. Sad, really.

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BillW
 
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Tue 12 Dec, 2017 05:18 pm
@blatham,
blatham, I was really just presenting the case of him getting out of Dodge before the Sheriff arrives. I do agree though with what you espouse. He has such hate for Obama; not only for him being black, but, mostly because Barack roasted him so severely at the Radio and Television Correspondents' Association dinner.
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blatham
 
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Tue 12 Dec, 2017 05:23 pm
Quote:
Almost half of Americans believe that corruption is pervasive in the White House under President Trump, a sharp increase over last year, according to a new survey. Americans now see Trump and his top officials as the most corrupt public officials in government, despite his campaign pledge to drain the swamp.
WP

That's encouraging.

BillW
 
  3  
Tue 12 Dec, 2017 05:25 pm
@blatham,
Yet, such a DUH moment too. We have known it for a year, which would be what, oh yeah, 100% of his administration Shocked
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Builder
 
  -1  
Tue 12 Dec, 2017 05:28 pm
@blatham,
Tuesday, December 12, 2017

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 41% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Fifty-seven percent (57%) disapprove.

The latest figures include 28% who Strongly Approve of the way the president is performing and 46% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -18.
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blatham
 
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Tue 12 Dec, 2017 05:57 pm
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We’re witnessing the fastest decline in Arctic sea ice in at least 1,500 years
The sudden, scary ice melt in the Arctic, in one chart.
Vox
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georgeob1
 
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Tue 12 Dec, 2017 06:20 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
I mean, this is a real thing. It's a term used by Conservative writers all the time
George is a nice fellow but he doesn't read a lot (of the relevant material available). I'm pretty sure if we asked him, for example, who Paul Weyrich is and why he's an important figure, I doubt George would know. Or if we asked about the historical importance of the Powell Memo, I think the same would be true. It's why we Canadians are needed in conversations with American conservatives (of the movement sort). Someone has to do the heavy lifting.


Well there was a welcome touch of irony in that - something I haven't seen in a while. I do read a great deal - mostly history. science and some favorite poetry. One salient lesson from history is that contemporary political commentary in any age and place, is usually focused on ephemeral things and very often dead wrong. One need only consult the popular commentary from the 1930s about the glorious new future then promised by advocates of socialism. Perhaps the apex here was the work of a Moscow-based NYT reporter ( Durant, I believe) who got the Pulitzer prize for a panegyric to the Ukrainian peasants happily embracing the farm collectivization imposed by Stalin. Now we know that it was forcibly imposed on the unwilling and millions were shipped off to death in Siberia.

I believe Paul Weyrich was a conservative commentator a couple of decades ago, but that's all I know. I can think of two candidates for "the Powell memo" , one a rather banal statement of national security doctrine by Colin Powell, and the other an old conservative essay written by a Supreme Court Justice of that name that later caused a stir during his confirmation process some time ago. In the context of recent history neither is of much significance except to dedicated students 0f such commentary.

oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 12 Dec, 2017 06:52 pm
If anyone wants to follow the Alabama results closely as they come in, this link might be of interest to them:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/alabama-senate-election-results/

On the other hand, I'm sure the morning news will mention the result tomorrow.
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layman
 
  -4  
Tue 12 Dec, 2017 07:09 pm
Did anyone see that press conference where 3 of Trump's female "accusers" are demanding a congressional investigation of him?

It seems that the main beef against him by them was that he kissed them (another was a beauty contestant who says Trump came into a room where she was "naked under her robe" (!).

Here's what another "accuser" (not one who took part in the press conference as far as I know) said:

Quote:
In early December 2017, the reporter Juliet Huddy said that Trump kissed her on the lips while they were on an elevator in Trump Tower with Trump's security guard in 2005 or 2006. Regarding this incident, Huddy said "I was surprised that he went for the lips. But I didn't feel threatened... Whatever, everything was fine. It was a weird moment. He never tried anything after that, and I was never alone with him."


This woman has the right attitude, if you ask me. Granted this could be very annoying and perhaps even "insulting," but there's no real damage caused by such impulsive behavior.

I remember two girls in my first grade class who chased me all over the playground during every recess trying to kiss me when I wanted no part of their damn "cooties." I guess it was a little flattering, nonetheless. One of them was very pretty (the other a real dog--she was the one I really ran fast from, otherwise I might have just let myself get "caught" every time). Somehow, I don't feel like I was permanently scarred by this unpleasant situation, however.

You can certainly say that Trump's kissing is juvenile, immature, "inappropriate," or whatever, but is it really "sexual abuse?" Is there really any kind of "serious damage" caused to a woman who is kissed without first being asked?

Does this really require a full blown CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATION? Only if you're a political opponent, I suppose. One thing all three of these woman repeatedly stressed was that they did not want Trump to be President.

At a time when claimed victimhood makes you the "person of the year," no how minor the crime, I guess we can expect a never-ending stream of such attention seeking grandstanding, eh?
Builder
 
  -2  
Tue 12 Dec, 2017 07:19 pm
@layman,
The fact that it even warrants a "story" or any coverage, indicates the desperation of the MSM in their concerted efforts to undermine the POTUS.

That issue does deserve a congressional inquiry.
layman
 
  -3  
Tue 12 Dec, 2017 07:22 pm
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

The fact that it even warrants a "story" or any coverage, indicates the desperation of the MSM in their concerted efforts to undermine the POTUS.

That issue does deserve a congressional inquiry.



Very astute, Builda.
Builder
 
  -2  
Tue 12 Dec, 2017 07:26 pm
@layman,
I'm all for freedom of the press, and I'll note that the mudrock takeover of our news and print and radio media is all-but complete down under, but this is about the POTUS, and looking in from the outside, it would appear that the effort to undermine him, both during the election run-up, and now, over a year hence, is strikingly obvious, as is the MSM's reluctance to run stories about Podesta group's demise, and the former admin's dealings with Russian businessmen, .
layman
 
  -2  
Tue 12 Dec, 2017 07:33 pm
@Builder,
Yeah, and, as strikingly obvious as it is to any neutral observer, I really don't think it's the least bit apparent to Trump haters. They truly believe that their immense hatred of Trump is "natural" and should necessarily be shared by every person on the planet.

Who doesn't hate Hitler, after all? Who wouldn't want Hitler out of office. You would be "abnormal" if you didn't, eh?
Builder
 
  -1  
Tue 12 Dec, 2017 07:54 pm
@layman,
Some here are on a payroll, and others like to think they're in with the clique. You can pick who is whom from the amount of hot air that is being blown up their asses by the hangers-on.

It's a badge of honor to be voted down so consistently. It's an indicator that you're on the right track.
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