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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
wmwcjr
 
  -1  
Fri 8 Dec, 2017 03:44 pm
@layman,
Thank you.
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layman
 
  -2  
Fri 8 Dec, 2017 03:50 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

I'm saying that being able to take into consideration people's grieviances -- or at the very least, pretend to -- is an important political skill, which Clinton was not particularly strong on.


Harry S. Truman wrote:
"Always be sincere, even if you don't mean it."


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maporsche
 
  4  
Fri 8 Dec, 2017 03:51 pm
@Olivier5,
Bernie would have lost the election and the popular vote.

He may have made a better president than Hillary (debateable), but he never would have won he election. Trump would have destroyed him.
layman
 
  -4  
Fri 8 Dec, 2017 03:57 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

Bernie would have lost the election and the popular vote.

He may have made a better president than Hillary (debateable), but he never would have won he election. Trump would have destroyed him.


Yeah, you're right about that, Ma.
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Fri 8 Dec, 2017 04:07 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

Quote:
if that is the case - and they voted Democrat for many, many years - why/what changed? Ms. Clinton's messaging wasn't 'great but the change started earlier


It changed with civil rights era, the more rights blacks got, the more southern democrats turned republican. Also, some still today are democrats only to vote in the primary (a union thing I think) but they vote republican in the presidential.


the big change was much more recent

as I posted earlier

https://thinkprogress.org/appalachia-used-to-be-a-democratic-stronghold-heres-how-to-make-it-one-again-300952ae296d/

Quote:
Appalachia’s ties to the Democratic Party go back decades — especially in West Virginia, which only voted for a Republican presidential candidate twice from 1960 to 2000 (it went red in 1972 and 1984, elections where the Republican candidate carried 49 out of 50 states). The state has also voted for a Democratic Senator every year since 1960, and consistently elected Democratic House members until 2010.


from the same piece

Quote:
These Democratically-led efforts were largely successful in the short term, breeding a deep appreciation for left-leaning presidents. Meanwhile, the region’s ubiquitous coalminers and steelworkers embraced unions as a mechanism for economic liberation, institutions which, in turn, generally encouraged members to support the Democratic Party.

But all that changed during the 2000 presidential election, when Democrat Al Gore lost West Virginia and most other sections of Appalachia to former president George W. Bush. This was partly because Republicans began targeting the region as an opportunity for growth, but by the time then-senator Barack Obama emerged as the Democratic nominee in 2008, a perfect storm of economics, creeping conservatism, and outright racism accelerated the region’s embrace of the GOP.


it's a recent change and it's truly boggling

Quote:
For example, Floyd county — an Appalachian coal county in Eastern Kentucky that voted for Democrat John Kerry in 2004 — boasted 27,789 registered Democrats in 2008, compared to just 2,856 Republicans. Yet John McCain edged out Obama there on Election Day that year, winning 7,741 votes to 7,530. By 2012, it wasn’t even close: Mitt Romney brought home 9,784 votes there in 2012, but only 4,733 supported Obama.


Quote:
The story was similar throughout the region, where 366 Appalachian counties increased their Republican share of presidential votes from 2004 to 2008. In 2012, Obama lost 10 counties in the West Virginia Democratic primary to an imprisoned felon with a ponytail, who won 41 percent of the vote statewide — a moment that was largely interpreted as a protest vote against the president. When the general election rolled around, Obama became the first presidential candidate in history to lose all 55 counties in West Virginia.


this is the stuff my friend R is looking into
layman
 
  -3  
Fri 8 Dec, 2017 04:09 pm
Quote:
Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) grilled FBI Director Christopher Wray at a House Judiciary Committee hearing on Thursday.

Jordan focused on Peter Strzok, the top FBI official who was moved off Special Counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation after he was found to have sent anti-President Trump text messagesJordan expressed doubts that Strzok was removed from Mueller's team simply because of the anti-Trump text messages.

"If you get kicked off the Mueller team for being anti-Trump, there wouldn't be anybody left on the Mueller team. There has to be more," he said.


The full 5-minute interview of Jordan, which is quite interesting, can be seen here:

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/12/08/jim-jordan-has-be-more-story-fbi-agent-peter-strzok-and-mueller-probe
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layman
 
  -3  
Fri 8 Dec, 2017 04:25 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

it's a recent change and it's truly boggling
this is the stuff my friend R is looking into


I've seen couples who seemingly got along just great--married 10 to 15 years, etc. Then one day, she's dead and the guy has been arrested for killing her, because she was runnin round town with other men.

Relationships can go south in a hurry when someone gets fucked. West Virginia got fucked, so.....
layman
 
  -3  
Fri 8 Dec, 2017 04:32 pm
@layman,
Quote:
Trump and the end of Obama's bitter 'war on coal'

What a difference presidential leadership can make, for good or ill, for an industry’s fortunes.

Before he was elected president, Barack Obama promised to bankrupt coal companies, and after eight years of his administration’s anti-energy policies, that pledge turned out to be one of the few promises he kept.

His policies contributed to massive job losses in coal country, the premature shuttering of vital coal-fired power plants, and were a factor in profitable coal companies being forced to file for bankruptcy.

As a candidate for president, Donald Trump promised he would enact policies that would end the “war on coal” launched by the Obama administration and congressional Democrats, halting or slowing the loss of jobs related to coal mining and coal-fired power plants, and he is doing just that.


http://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/353232-trump-and-the-end-of-obamas-bitter-war-on-coal

Aint really no big-ass mystery about how and why West Virginian dumped Obama/Clinton for Romney and Trump, eh?

To hear the cheese-eaters tell it, the Democrats were the would-be saviors of West Virginia, not the ones promising (and delivering) to destroy them.

Nice try, cheese-eaters.
Kolyo
 
  8  
Fri 8 Dec, 2017 04:44 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

Congratulations, I think you have managed to insult everyone.


Well, for my part, I was not particularly offended. I hear that sort of thing from otherwise decent Republicans all the time.

On fraud...

There may well be fraud in disability claims. There are also people who simply get misdiagnosed without ever having made up any symptoms. Diagnosis of neurological disorders is hit or miss.
Cycloptichorn
 
  3  
Fri 8 Dec, 2017 04:51 pm
@Kolyo,
Quote:

Well, for my part, I was not particularly offended. I hear that sort of thing from otherwise decent Republicans all the time.


Well done, that one actually hurt. Kudos

Cycloptichorn
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layman
 
  -3  
Fri 8 Dec, 2017 04:54 pm
@layman,
Another excerpt:

Quote:
While many coal-fired power plants have closed because they are unable to compete with low-cost gas-fired power plants, dozens of coal-fired power plants and mines were shuttered prematurely under Obama due to Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) regulations, policies Trump has started to reverse.

For instance, in its first use of the Congressional Review Act under Trump, Congress halted a so-called “Stream Protection Rule” imposed by Obama that would have threatened over one-third of the nation’s coal-mining jobs. The Interior Department’s own reports show the rule was unnecessary, since coal mines have virtually no offsite impacts and lands are being restored successfully under existing federal and state regulations.

Trump’s early energy actions have paid job dividends in coal country. The Department of Labor reported mining jobs in America grew by 11,000 in March and by another 7,000 in May. In June, EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt said the United States had since the beginning of 2017 added more than 50,000 jobs throughout the coal supply and use chain.


For some damn reason, these people aint expressing their eternal gratitude to Obama for his immense "concern" with their needs, and they didn't vote for Hillary "We're gunna put coal companies and miners out of business" Clinton.

Go figure, eh?
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layman
 
  -4  
Fri 8 Dec, 2017 05:10 pm
@layman,
Viet nam vets expressed the same frustation. LBJ notoriously said "I don't want a single god-damn outhouse bombed in Viet Nam without my prior approval."

The rules of engagement were such that they often couldn't even protect themselves. To a man, these vets swear that we could have, and would have, stomped the NLF and the VC if the politicians had just let them do their job.

Same with the Border Patrol and ICE, and the striking current results reflect the tremendous difference between effective policies of law enforcement and the refusal to enforce immigration laws in favor of letting aliens just walk in and demand refugee status.
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Olivier5
 
  2  
Fri 8 Dec, 2017 05:24 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

Bernie would have lost the election and the popular vote.

He may have made a better president than Hillary (debateable), but he never would have won he election. Trump would have destroyed him.

Speculative. We know she lost though. And we know Trump was/is a disliked persona.

Everybody is or was or knows a student. Bernie was genuine, lovable, populist in the right way. He would have carried through like a manic rabbit. Or so I think.
layman
 
  -4  
Fri 8 Dec, 2017 05:27 pm
While the vast majority of Americans are quite pleased with the results that Trump has achieved with respect to the economy, illegal immigration, the war on ISIS, etc., the "progressives" think they have, and will continue to, round up massive amounts of voters by demanding open borders and sanctuary cities, saying every effective anti-terrorist action is islamophobic, insisting that the fanatically crazed "green" zealots be appeased, etc.

Nice try, cheese-eaters. It obvious that yawl aint never gunna wise-up.
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layman
 
  -4  
Fri 8 Dec, 2017 05:42 pm
Quote:
Palestinians clash with Israeli forces in ‘day of rage’ protests

Thousands of Palestinians clashed with Israeli security forces on Friday in a “day of rage” called to protest against US President Donald Trump’s decision to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Hamas, the Palestinian Islamist faction that controls Gaza, and Hizbollah, the Lebanese militant group allied to Iran, have both called for a new uprising, or intifada, against Israel.

At least two Palestinians were killed as Israeli forces used live ammunition, tear gas and rubber bullets against protesters in the occupied West Bank and Gaza. More than 300 people were wounded in the clashes, according to the Palestinian Red Crescent.

The Israel Defense Forces said about 3,000 Palestinians were participating in “violent riots” in the West Bank and hundreds more along the border with Gaza. It said protesters threw firebombs and rocks at security forces, and rolled burning tyres towards them. During clashes along the Gaza border soldiers “fired selectively at two main instigators” and confirmed hitting them, the IDF said in a statement. 

In Jerusalem, men and women chanted slogans including “Trump go to hell” and “free Palestine, free Jerusalem” as they gathered after midday prayers at al-Aqsa mosque in the Old City.


https://www.ft.com/content/62a7c5aa-dbe8-11e7-a039-c64b1c09b482

These suicidal palestinians just can't ever seem to wait for their next beatdown, eh?

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blatham
 
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Fri 8 Dec, 2017 06:02 pm
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But that's just one half of the plan. Once the tax bill is done, we get to phase II: an all-out war on the safety net. In an act of positively awe-inspiring shamelessness, they plan to argue that our high national debt demands that we cut back social programs, right after they voted to increase the debt by $1.5 trillion.

That's the rationale, but we know beyond any doubt that they don't really care about the debt. Republicans, and Speaker of the House Paul Ryan in particular, have long dreamed of taking a chainsaw to the social programs that emerged from the Great Society. Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps — it will all be on the chopping block. "We're going to have to get back next year at entitlement reform, which is how you tackle the debt and the deficit," says Ryan.
The Week

I trust we all understand there's no exaggeration here. This is what is coming. GOP hypocrisy on the deficit is as clear now as it has ever been, notwithstanding the account in former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill's book that Dick Cheney told him, "You know, Paul, Reagan taught us that deficits don't matter".
ehBeth
 
  2  
Fri 8 Dec, 2017 06:11 pm
@blatham,
if they cut the social programs, the Appalachians could come back into play
Builder
 
  -3  
Fri 8 Dec, 2017 06:46 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote:
And we know Trump was/is a disliked persona.


Friday, December 08, 2017

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 42% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Fifty-six percent (56%) disapprove.

The latest figures include 28% who Strongly Approve of the way the president is performing and 47% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -19

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_dec08

Here's Obama's score card. He had a few -19 scores as well.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history
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blatham
 
  4  
Fri 8 Dec, 2017 07:32 pm
@ehBeth,
I'm not optimistic about that given the Kansas example, for just one. If the citizens negatively effected are misinformed constantly and consistently regarding the cause of their impoverished condition, it may take many years before they, or their children, become forced to rethink basic assumptions they've come to hold dearly through effective propaganda. And all the while this is taking place, the agents responsible for what is happening will certainly become even more institutionalized and powerful, at every level including local. It could take a generation to recover what is being dismantled now. Or there might be no recovering it at all.
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layman
 
  -4  
Fri 8 Dec, 2017 07:58 pm
Nice try, cheese-eaters:

Quote:
CNN inaccurately reports Trump campaign had WikiLeaks sneak peek

CNN on Friday trumpeted that Congressional investigators obtained a mysterious 2016 email that was sent to Trump and other top aides, including Donald Trump Jr., which contained information on how to get a sneak peek at hacked information that WikiLeaks had acquired. The email, as CNN reported, offered a “decryption key” to access the files.

CNN turned information available to anyone on the planet with an Internet connection into secrets - and an implication WikiLeaks was offering to collude with Team Trump.

Compounding matters, CNN claimed that the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee said the panel was looking into the email and other news organizations quickly tried to match CNN’s report – CBS followed up with an inaccurate report of its own. The inaccurate story dominated CNN’s coverage until it was discredited.

CNN eventually issued a correction: “CNN's initial reporting of the date on an email sent to members of the Trump campaign about Wikileaks documents, which was confirmed by two sources to CNN, was incorrect. We have updated our story to include the correct date, and present the proper context for the timing of email."

No disciplinary action will be taken in the matter, a CNN official said in a tweet.


These fools are so anxious to concoct some collusion charge against Trump that they mentally distort dates in their pea-sized brains in order to "make a case," eh?

It was CONFIRMED by two anonymous sources, by God! It aint CNN's fault, caincha see?

CNN is a national laughingstock to all but Trump haters.
 

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