@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
I don't follow US politics closely enough to say anything about US liberals as a group. There may be scores of them with their ear firmly on the ground. Empathetic, atuned to the little man's concerns and aspirations. I actually know a few of them, directly or through the media [e.g. Michael Moore], so no generalization from me. But I can say that Clinton is not a good listener in my book.
I don't necessarily agree with that, she simply doesn't say things the way you'd like her to. This doesn't mean that she doesn't listen to or understand the problems people face. In fact, her campaign had a FAR more developed and in-depth plan for dealing with the problems we're discussing than any politician I've ever seen. It was simply rejected out of hand by the voters who lived there, who were uninterested in change. It is entirely fair to say that she communicated the plan poorly, or as Mudcat would say, focused on intellectual **** instead of emotions. Totally fair to say. But that's not the equivalent of failing to listen to people.
Quote:Neither are you. Your post starts with "that's bullshit" and then proceeds to ask for explanations -- the sign of a closed mind who's only pretending to listen.
What you wrote WAS bullshit and you have no real actual knowledge of the region or politics you're discussing. Once again: that doesn't make me a bad listener, it makes you unhappy with the message you received after I listened to you.
I asked you to describe in detail what said 'better listening' would look like. Can you do so? Serious question. People are big on pronouncements such as this but awfully ******* vague on the details. That's not a recipe for actual successful action to be taken based on the recommendation you're giving.
Quote:It'd be lying to say that you're the first "a2k liberal" who strikes little me as a bit close-minded. I try to not mention it too much -- gets you downthumbs -- but it's been an issue.
Not that the Repub-affiliates posting around here are any better on average, mind you. The US is famously polarized around rival ideologies right now, and it shows.
Okay? It's fine with me if you hold that opinion.
I personally stay out of discussing the politics of France and most other countries because I have no personal knowledge of it, other than the most shallow of reading things online. I don't mind you or anyone else discussing American politics but I'll never hesitate to call someone out who is writing things that are objectively false. You may feel however you like about that. But you should consider avoiding making authoritative proclamations about what US politicians should or should not be doing when you, as you have admitted yourself, do not follow US politics closely. If you can't avoid doing that, don't get upset when others point out that you're wrong.
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