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blatham
 
  4  
Mon 4 Dec, 2017 05:43 am
So, yeah, Trump is going to go there
Quote:
As the F.B.I.’s Russia investigation draws closer to him, President Trump on Sunday unleashed an extraordinary assault on the nation’s premier law enforcement agency, calling it a biased institution whose reputation for fairness was “in tatters.”

In a series of early-morning tweets, Mr. Trump said the F.B.I.’s standing was now the “worst in history.” The attack was one of the harshest in a generation on an independent agency that two days earlier had helped secure a guilty plea and a pledge of cooperation from the president’s first national security adviser.

Current and former F.B.I. officials, historians and lawmakers rebuked the president over his efforts to undermine the F.B.I.’s credibility as it investigates whether his campaign colluded with Russian officials to sway the 2016 election. A president who has positioned himself as devoted to law and order is now in a public dispute with the country’s top law enforcement agents.
NYT He is a sociopath.
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Olivier5
 
  2  
Mon 4 Dec, 2017 05:46 am
@Lash,
Quote:
The United States Intelligence Community concluded, with high confidence, that the Russian government engaged in electoral interference during the 2016 U.S. presidential election.[1][2] A January 2017 assessment by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) stated that Russian leadership preferred presidential candidate Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton, and that Russian president Vladimir Putin personally ordered an "influence campaign" to harm Clinton's electoral chances and "undermine public faith in the US democratic process."[2]:7

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections
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snood
 
  5  
Mon 4 Dec, 2017 05:53 am
@Lash,
So, if members of Trump's inner circle are found to have been lying to congress or federal investigators about their contacts with russian operatives, that wouldn't constitute proof of Russian interference to you?
Oh, wait - Flynn has already copped a plea for doing exactly that, so I guess not...

What exactly would meet your rigorous standard for proof of Russian interference? Is it the same standard you use to claim that Hillary is a traitor?
snood
 
  3  
Mon 4 Dec, 2017 05:54 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Lash said:
Quote:
Russian interference into the 2016 has not been proven.


Yeah. Sanders followers say this all the time. But your never hear it from rightwing voices. So Lash is off the hook here. She's legit.

...as a three dollar bill.
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blatham
 
  3  
Mon 4 Dec, 2017 06:02 am
Quote:
...Friday was also the day Senate Republican leaders brought forth a tax bill heralding the death of anything resembling a populist form of conservatism within the Republican Party. Plutocracy will now be the GOP’s calling card. Facing one of the most scandalous special-interest tax bills in a long history of such measures, even supposedly moderate members of the party caved in before the power of big money when the votes were counted early Saturday morning.

Republicans proved one other thing: What they say when they are out of power should never be believed again.
EJ Dionne
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blatham
 
  5  
Mon 4 Dec, 2017 06:10 am
Apparently, Evangelicals in Alabama believe that if they support and vote for Moore, then in the afterlife, they will be awarded 72 young teenage mall virgins.
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Lash
 
  -1  
Mon 4 Dec, 2017 06:15 am
@snood,
Actual proof that someone authorized by the Russian government actually performed some type of action that directly altered the outcome of the election.

That's the charge.

David Brock spent a one million dollars on Correct the Record assholes to lie about Bernie Sanders and front this disgusting Bernie Bro narrative. I want that group held to the same standards.
hightor
 
  3  
Mon 4 Dec, 2017 06:17 am
@Lash,
Quote:
We do know Hillary Clinton claimed something like 26 agencies agreed Russia had interfered with the election...

Clinton was just quoting the figures she'd read in the NY Times and AP who later corrected their stories. It's so typical of you to distort the information you use to try and bolster your case. Are you going to start claiming again that I pretended to re-state your comments, added something you didn’t say, and then argued with the statement I created?

Quote:
Back in October 2016, we rated this statement by then-candidate Hillary Clinton as True: "We have 17 intelligence agencies, civilian and military, who have all concluded that these espionage attacks, these cyberattacks, come from the highest levels of the Kremlin, and they are designed to influence our election."

Many readers have asked us about this rating since the New York Times and Associated Press issued their corrections.

Our article referred to an Oct. 7, 2016, joint statement from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Homeland Security that presented a preliminary conclusion about Russia’s involvement in the election.

We noted then that the 17 separate agencies did not independently declare Russia the perpetrator behind the hacks; however, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence speaks on behalf of the group.

We asked experts again this week if Clinton’s claim was correct or not.

"In the context of a national debate, her answer was a reasonable inference from the DNI statement," Cordero said, emphasizing that the statement said, "The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident" in its assessment.

Aftergood said it’s fair to say the Director of National Intelligence speaks for the intelligence community, but that doesn’t always mean there is unamity across the community, and it’s possible that some organizations disagree.

But in the case of the Russia investigation, there is no evidence of disagreement among members of the intelligence community

source
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blatham
 
  3  
Mon 4 Dec, 2017 06:25 am
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Trump lawyer claims the "President cannot obstruct justice"
John Dowd, President Trump's outside lawyer, outlined to me a new and highly controversial defense/theory in the Russia probe: A president cannot be guilty of obstruction of justice.

The "President cannot obstruct justice because he is the chief law enforcement officer under [the Constitution's Article II] and has every right to express his view of any case," Dowd claims.
Axios

If it weren't already obvious, Trump with aid and assistance from right wing media will proceed under the assumption that they need to do everything they can to discredit the FBI and the courts (and the most common of ethical/judicial norms) because Trump is guilty and likely to face charges ahead. Unfortunately, I very much doubt his followers and even most Republican politicos will do anything other than cave.
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blatham
 
  3  
Mon 4 Dec, 2017 06:30 am
Quote:
Lee Fang‏Verified account
@lhfang
The Koch brothers spent hundreds of millions of dollars on think tanks & TV ads warning about the deficit during the Obama admin. This year they sent a memo to strategists telling GOP to ignore the deficit to pass tax cuts.

Read the Intercept piece here
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Lash
 
  -1  
Mon 4 Dec, 2017 06:30 am
Hillary Clinton made that claim, hightor. She was forced to retract it. It matters NOT where she got her bad info.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/russian-interference-in-the-2016-election-a-cacophony-not-a-conspiracy/amp

It's a joke. You're all psychotically desperate for something to be true, but it's just very simply not been proven yet. I don't think it will be proven, because I don't think it happened. Fortunately for you, Mueller is on a fishing expedition. similar to Ken Star's.

Mueller will shake something out of Trump's tree, but it won't be Russian collusion. I don't think they'll settle for something as transparently lame as the Logan Act.

There was no Russian intereference.

Read yourself.

the past few weeks, we have learned a fair amount about the Russian online presence during the election. What matters, though, is not that Russian interference reached a third of Americans—that, in fact, is a significant exaggeration of the testimony by Facebook’s general counsel, Colin Stretch, who said that a hundred and twenty-six million people, not necessarily Americans, “may have been served” content associated with Russian accounts sometime between 2015 and 2017, with a majority of impressions landing after the election. He also mentioned that “this equals about four-thousandths of one per cent of content in News Feed, or approximately one out of twenty-three thousand pieces of content.” Nor is it significant that, as a “CNN exclusive” headline announced, “Russian-linked Facebook ads targeted Michigan and Wisconsin.” The story that followed actually said nothing of the sort. The real revelation is this: Russian online interference was a god-awful mess, a cacophony.

The Times published some of the ads that Facebook has traced to Russian accounts. Among them: a superhero figure with a green leg and a fuchsia leg, red trunks, and a head vaguely reminiscent of Bernie Sanders, all of which is apparently meant to read as pro-L.G.B.T.Q.; a Jesus figure arm-wrestling Satan, with a caption indicating that Satan is Hillary; an ad reminding us that “Black Panthers, group formed to protect black people from the KKK, was dismantled by us govt but the KKK exists today”; and an anti-immigrant ad featuring a sign that says “No invaders allowed!,” among others.

Several former staff members of a St. Petersburg company widely known as the Kremlin’s “troll factory” gave interviews to different Russian-language media outlets last month. One told TV Rain, an independent Web-based television channel, that hired trolls were obligated to watch “House of Cards,” presumably to gain an understanding of American politics. At the same time, trolls took English classes and classes on American politics. In the former, they learned the difference between the present-perfect and past-simple tenses (“I have done” versus “I did,” for example); in the latter they learned that if the subject concerned L.G.B.T. rights, then the troll should use religious rhetoric: “You should always write that sodomy is a sin, and that will bring you a couple of dozen ‘likes'...
hightor
 
  4  
Mon 4 Dec, 2017 06:30 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Actual proof that someone authorized by the Russian government actually performed some type of action that directly altered the outcome of the election.

Now she raises the bar!

So how would one go about providing that sort of "actual proof"? Question every one of the 79,000 Trump voters in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania who provided him with his win in the Electoral College whether their votes were influenced by fakes stories spread on social media or leaks from the hacked emails?
Lash
 
  -3  
Mon 4 Dec, 2017 06:34 am
@hightor,
In my alternate universe, you have to have raw proof to legitimize an allegation.
blatham
 
  3  
Mon 4 Dec, 2017 06:35 am
From Rick Hasen at Election Law Blog
Quote:
Alabama Voters Will Be Able to Vote “Republican” Rather than “Moore” and It Will Count as a Vote for Roy Moore

Isn't that just special.
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hightor
 
  3  
Mon 4 Dec, 2017 06:45 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
There was no Russian intereference.

Then we read, in the excerpt provided by Lash herself:
Quote:
The real revelation is this: Russian online interference was a god-awful mess, a cacophony.

So there was interference. It means that there was Russian meddling in the election. It doesn't mean that a neat little case of cause and effect can be made but that's not the charge. We want to know if the Trump campaign tried to use its Russian contacts to affect any aspect of the election.
Lash
 
  -1  
Mon 4 Dec, 2017 06:47 am
@Blickers,
Was it ok for the Clinton campaign to also be running around in the shadows of Moscow, paying Russians for dirt on Trump ?

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hightor
 
  2  
Mon 4 Dec, 2017 06:52 am
@Lash,
Quote:
In my alternate universe, you have to have raw proof to legitimize an allegation.

The allegation is one of meddling and interference, for which there is ample proof.
Olivier5
 
  3  
Mon 4 Dec, 2017 06:53 am
@Lash,
Quote:
There was no Russian intereference.

Of course there was. That much has been proven beyond reasonable doubt. The US intell community said as much. Bernie Sanders said as much... (you know, the guy you pretended to care for and respect? And I was foolish enough to believe you...)
Lash
 
  -2  
Mon 4 Dec, 2017 06:54 am
@hightor,
Their 'interference' in goofy commercial ads and creating KKK angst online is not election interference, as the article stated--but way not to disappoint by splicing words together to try to appear to make a pertinent statement.

If you can graft together the word election from the third paragraph with the word interference, which you do aptly found earlier, you should run that right over to Mueller, because at this point, that may be what he's searching for.

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Lash
 
  -1  
Mon 4 Dec, 2017 06:56 am
@hightor,
Who didn't meddle? What is the legal definition of meddling?
 

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