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BillW
 
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Sat 11 Nov, 2017 03:47 pm
@BillW,
I'd like to see the poll run of Southern states with the following question: "Are you in favor of seceding from the USA and if yes, are you in favor as a first act; reinstating slavery?" Why not just make this one to all states?
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Builder
 
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Sat 11 Nov, 2017 04:33 pm
@Setanta,
Quote:
There is a good deal of hypocrisy in Americans complaining about others interfering in an election.


You missed the first and least famous coup, that being operation Ajax. The CIA-MI6-Mossad ouster of democratically-elected Iranian leader Muhammad Mossadeq, in 1953. Terribly nasty business, leading to hundreds of thousands of murders of political dissidents by the CIA-Mossad torture squad, known as SAVAK. And of course, to the popular uprising of Iran's people in 78-79.

On the Whitlam "overthrow" we're hoping our governor general Peter Cosgrove will grow a set, and toss out the incumbent Tory hypocrites, before they sell out the few remaining assets that we still own.
ehBeth
 
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Sat 11 Nov, 2017 04:34 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
white man shoots people? he must be sick, let's get him help


interesting article edgarb just dropped off in another thread speaks to this

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/11/mass-shootings-committed-mentally-ill-171111162521074.html

Quote:
health professionals warn that people should not draw a connection between mass shootings and mental illness.

"This is all a red herring," Liza Gold, a forensic psychiatrist at Georgetown University of Medicine and editor of the book, Gun Violence and Mental Illness said.

"The vast majority of mass shootings are not committed by the diagnosable mentally ill, no matter what politicians try to suggest," Gold said.

"Our country is in a state of denial about the real nature of gun violence and what we can do to decrease mortality."

Only about three to five percent of violent acts in the US are committed by individuals who have been diagnosed with a mental illness, and the percentage of crimes they commit with a gun "are lower than the national average for persons not diagnosed with mental illness," according to findings published in the American Journal of Psychiatry in 2015.

Studies have also found that the mentally ill are no more likely to become violent than a person without an illness, and that only one percent of violent acts committed by psychiatric patients involved killing a "target".

"If we were able to magically cure schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and major depression, that would be wonderful, but overall violence would go down by only about four percent," according to Jeffrey Swanson, a professor in psychiatry and behavioural sciences at the Duke University School of Medicine, told ProPublica in 2014.

The National Rifle Association (NRA), the most powerful gun lobby in the US, has capitalised on the public perception of the mentally ill.


excuses are always easier to cope with than the truth about violence in the US
wmwcjr
 
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Sat 11 Nov, 2017 04:48 pm
@BillW,
I'm so glad neither my wife nor I grew up in Alabama. Or Mississippi, Georgia, North Caroline, etc., for that matter.
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wmwcjr
 
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Sat 11 Nov, 2017 04:59 pm
@ehBeth,
As an American I've noticed it for decades. It's called white supremacist racism, a "fine" American tradition.

Notice that the detestable David Horowitz isn't bothered much by those who prey upon children when they share his political views such as the former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert, who had sexual relations with young boys when he was a high-school wrestling coach. Remember when the conservative talking heads went ballistic over the Monica Lewinsky scandal? They have remained largely silent over sexual scandals involving Republicans. Remember the role Kenn Starr played in the Lewinski scandal? Years later as the President of Baylor University, Starr dismissed allegations of gang rape by Baylor football players. The university is still reeling from the scandal. They're a bunch of hypocrites, ehbeth! It's no wonder they ended up with someone as morally low as Donald Trump. It was inevitable.

EDIT: I wonder if Horowitz as a Jew has noticed that virtually all Holocaust deniers in the West have come from the political right. Probably doesn't care. After all, that single fact would disrupt his view that virtually all evil comes from the political left.
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Builder
 
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Sat 11 Nov, 2017 05:01 pm
@oralloy,
Initially, Britain mobilized its military to seize control of the British-built Abadan oil refinery, then the world's largest, but Prime Minister Clement Attlee opted instead to tighten the economic boycott[14] while using Iranian agents to undermine Mosaddegh's government.[15] Winston Churchill and the Eisenhower administration decided to overthrow Iran's government, though the predecessor Truman administration had opposed a coup.[16] Classified documents show that British intelligence officials played a pivotal role in initiating and planning the coup, and that the AIOC contributed $25,000 towards the expense of bribing officials.[17] In August 2013, 60 years after, the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) admitted that it was in charge of both the planning and the execution of the coup, including the bribing of Iranian politicians, security and army high-ranking officials, as well as pro-coup propaganda.[18][19] The CIA is quoted acknowledging the coup was carried out "under CIA direction" and "as an act of U.S. foreign policy, conceived and approved at the highest levels of government".[20]

Following the coup in 1953, a government under General Fazlollah Zahedi was formed which allowed Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the last Shah of Iran (Persian for an Iranian king),[21] to rule more firmly as monarch. He relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power.[10][11][12][22] According to the CIA's declassified documents and records, some of the most feared mobsters in Tehran were hired by the CIA to stage pro-Shah riots on 19 August. Other CIA-paid men were brought into Tehran in buses and trucks, and took over the streets of the city.[23] Between 200[3] and 300[4] people were killed because of the conflict. Mosaddegh was arrested, tried and convicted of treason by the Shah's military court. On 21 December 1953, he was sentenced to three years in jail, then placed under house arrest for the remainder of his life.[24][25][26] Other Mosaddegh supporters were imprisoned, and several received the death penalty.[12] After the coup, the Shah continued his rule as monarch for the next 26 years[11][12] until he was overthrown in the Iranian Revolution in 1979.[11][12][27]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

And then you might want to research where the richest-ever diaspora of Jewish people to the US of A came from, and it isn't Israel.
snood
 
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Sat 11 Nov, 2017 05:09 pm
Cooper's colleagues at the time (late 70s-early 80s) are coming out and saying everyone knew that he dated high schoolers; hung out at the mall. They are saying they all thought it strange but couldn't tell him that.
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ehBeth
 
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Sat 11 Nov, 2017 05:23 pm
@snood,
Moore (not Cooper) - right?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/teresa-jones-says-roy-moore-common-knowledge-dated-teens/

Quote:
A former prosecutor who once worked alongside embattled Alabama GOP Senate candidate Roy Moore in the early 1980s told CNN it was "common knowledge" at the time that Moore dated high school girls.

"It was common knowledge that Roy dated high school girls, everyone we knew thought it was weird," former deputy district attorney Teresa Jones told CNN in comments aired Saturday. "We wondered why someone his age would hang out at high school football games and the mall ... but you really wouldn't say anything to someone like that."
ehBeth
 
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Sat 11 Nov, 2017 05:42 pm
http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/09/conservatives-fear-republicans-are-squandering-their-chance-to-govern/

Quote:
The legislative failures marking President Trump’s first 10 months in office have conservative leaders worried that Republicans are squandering a rare chance to advance conservative policies while holding the House, the Senate and the White House.

Republicans have struggled to keep long-standing promises to conservatives, such as repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act, or defunding Planned Parenthood. Republicans so far have zero legislative achievements in the almost 10 months that President Trump has been in office.


Quote:
As their failures have piled up, a flood of Republicans in both the House and the Senate have announced that they will not seek re-election ahead of next year’s midterms. The Democratic landslide in Virginia’s elections on Tuesday has some Republicans fearing a wave election in 2018 that could lose them the House and possibly the Senate.

Grassroots conservatives, meanwhile, fear that years of work helping Republican politicians get elected will be for nothing, if Republicans lose the House in 2018 with little to show for their time in control.


go to the link to read more

I'd say it's worth a gander partly to see what Jim DeMint is saying.



Quote:
The Daily Caller is a politically conservative American news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C. It was founded by political pundit Tucker Carlson, and Neil Patel, former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney.




https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/06/12/jim-demint-joins-group-that-wants-to-amend-constitution-tea-party/102748540/



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feds have fucked it all up so let's go states rights all the way!
ehBeth
 
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Sat 11 Nov, 2017 05:44 pm
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“The policy failures of this Republican Congress are dispiriting voters nationwide. Conservatives have done their part to advance the policies that swept President Trump into office, but liberal Republicans are breaking their campaign promises to repeal Obamacare and oppose amnesty,” DeMint added.


those goldarn liberal Republicans

Builder
 
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Sat 11 Nov, 2017 05:47 pm
@snood,
Quote:
Cooper's colleagues at the time (late 70s-early 80s) are coming out and saying everyone knew that he dated high schoolers


Am I missing something here? What's this got to do with Trump?

The Vatican is currently "on trial" for systemically and continually covering up for active career paedophiles. It's not a left-right political issue, for mine.
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snood
 
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Sat 11 Nov, 2017 05:51 pm
@ehBeth,
Yeah, oops. Don't know who the hell I was thinking of.
ehBeth
 
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Sat 11 Nov, 2017 05:54 pm
@ehBeth,
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/how-donald-trump-taught-conservatives-to-defend-roy-moore


Quote:
In Alabama itself, the Post reported on Friday, “Republican leaders mostly circled the wagons behind Moore.”

One Alabama Republican compared the relationship between Moore and the fourteen-year-old girl to that of Mary and Joseph, Jesus’ parents.

The Covington County G.O.P. chairman, William Blocker, was blunter, telling Daniel Dale, of the Toronto Star, “There is NO option to support Doug Jones, the Democratic nominee. When you do that, you are supporting the entire Democrat party.”

These defenses are shocking, but they square with Trump’s when it comes to the extremes to which partisanship now pushes people.

Many wonder how evangelical Christians, a core constituency for Moore in Alabama, will react. In the Trump era, Moore might have a chance at retaining support from these voters.

As Thomas Edsall recently noted, from 2011 to 2016, the percentage of white evangelical Protestants who believe that “an elected official who commits an immoral act in their personal life can still behave ethically and fulfill their duties in their public and professional life” shot up, from thirty to seventy-two per cent.

Evangelicals went from being the least forgiving religious group to being the most forgiving religious group.

“What happened in the interim?” Edsall asks. “The answer is obvious: the advent of Donald Trump.”

To justify their support of Trump, evangelicals apparently reassessed the importance they place on a politician’s personal morality. “It shows just how much a G.O.P.-leaning group was willing to rationalize Trump’s behavior,” John Sides, a political scientist at George Washington University, told me on Friday.


At the same time, Sides said, Trump’s rise has come at a time of intense debate among academics about the relationship between partisanship and ideology. The political scientists Shanto Iyengar, Gaurav Sood, and Yphtach Lelkes examined this issue in a 2012 paper called “Affect, Not Ideology: A Social Identity Perspective on Polarization.” As the political scientist Danny Hayes said of his peers’ work, “Instead of focusing on ideology and policy positions, Iyengar and his colleagues draw on a psychological concept called social identity theory.”

In other words: Americans identify with a party the way they do with a sports team or tribe.

Often, one’s hatred of an opposing tribe—what political scientists call “negative partisanship”—is enough to overcome any doubts about one’s own.


“It’s about affect and emotion,” Sides told me. “Partisanship induces motivated reasoning. We align our perceptions and beliefs to be consonant with our social identities.” Sides considered the comment from Blocker, the Alabama Republican official who could never consider voting for the Democrat running against Moore.

“That’s the tribalism that provides the incentive to excuse any kind of behavior,” Sides said.
ehBeth
 
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Sat 11 Nov, 2017 05:55 pm
@snood,
(maybe this? https://www.mediaite.com/tv/anderson-cooper-battles-alabama-pol-in-wild-roy-moore-segment-you-think-this-is-liberal-plot/ )
wmwcjr
 
  1  
Sat 11 Nov, 2017 06:01 pm
@ehBeth,
Liberal Republicans?! It is to laugh. lol

The days of the Rockefeller Republicans came to an end decades ago.

Now all we've got in the Republican Party are a few (very few) moderates, lots of conservatives, and oodles of ultraconservatives or reactionaries (whatever you want to call them -- as long as it's clean). lol Poor Bob Dole could not be elected today, and Gerald Ford would be dismissed as a RINO.

Come on, DeMint, get real! Don't be such a silly goose -- or loon.
snood
 
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Sat 11 Nov, 2017 06:03 pm
@ehBeth,
Maybe. I saw that. Unbelievable, the lengths these good ole boys (and girls)will go to, to defend this scumbag.
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Lash
 
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Sat 11 Nov, 2017 06:06 pm
Reminiscent of the way democrats try to shield Bill Clinton from accountability for his rapes and sexual assaults.

Hopefully, he’ll be brought to account for it during the current purge.
ossobucotemp
 
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Sat 11 Nov, 2017 06:23 pm
@BillW,
I used to listen to Hewett, in memory mostly disagreeing. I remember him as smart.
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