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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Mon 6 Nov, 2017 09:43 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:


Just, not due to any actual actions Trump or the GOP have taken. They certainly haven't passed any bills that would lead to such a result.

You have restricted the issue to the passage of legislation, without regard to the obvious facts of the many very significant regulatory changes that have occurred, and others promised by the new management of our increasingly bureaucratic state installed by Trump.


Can you name the specific regulations that are so significant, their repeal is literally causing the market and economy to move?

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Take a look at the trajectory of numerous government economic indices, including unemployment, job creation and quarterly GDP growth. They all point to a change beginning this year. Your argument here is weak and contrived.


Unemployment has dropped, but that drop is right in line with the drop under Obama. So is job creation, which is moving at about the same pace as under Obama. You should take a look at the actual stats before saying things like this, because there really is no such change. Certainly there has been no major changes.

On the other hand, the stock market is doing great. Guys like you see that as the prime (and really only) thing that matters, so I'm not surprised that you think things are better than ever right now. I have no doubt that the promise of a corporate tax cut is what is driving the growth, but what do you think is going to happen when that bill fails in about a month? I say that as it's almost certainly going to.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

I think this is a great example of the 'animal spirit's theory that drives Republican thought.
In fact the theory belongs to economi9sts generally, and not just to Republicans. It partly explains the persistent failures of socialism as well.


The problem is that it allows you to take whatever bullshit theory you like and present it as if it were a fact. The truth is that you DON'T know why the market has been going up. You only have theories as to why. Isn't that right?

I generally focus on legislation, because it is the best indicator of actual, lasting change in our society and system. Regulatory changes are fleeting, as we'll just put them right back in as soon as the Dems win again.

Cycloptichorn
georgeob1
 
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Mon 6 Nov, 2017 09:48 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

The problem is that it allows you to take whatever bullshit theory you like and present it as if it were a fact. The truth is that you DON'T know why the market has been going up. You only have theories as to why. Isn't that right?

I generally focus on legislation, because it is the best indicator of actual, lasting change in our society and system. Regulatory changes are fleeting, as we'll just put them right back in as soon as the Dems win again.

Cycloptichorn


I believe you should reflect on the applicability of the above to the vacuous arguments you are making.
blatham
 
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Mon 6 Nov, 2017 09:49 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Take a look at the trajectory of numerous government economic indices, including unemployment, job creation and quarterly GDP growth. They all point to a change beginning this year.
What is with your utter refusal to cite information sources that validate your claims? Either you are lazy or you're dishonest or perhaps both. And it is self-defeating because no one here has any reason at all to think you more than lazy or dishonest.
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Your argument here is weak and contrived.
From you, that is a most wondrous charge.
blatham
 
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Mon 6 Nov, 2017 09:59 am
Winner of today's Big ******* Surprise award goes to TPM
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"Texas Governor Skirts Questions About Gun Control Afterr Church Shooting"
Cycloptichorn
 
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Mon 6 Nov, 2017 10:06 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

The problem is that it allows you to take whatever bullshit theory you like and present it as if it were a fact. The truth is that you DON'T know why the market has been going up. You only have theories as to why. Isn't that right?

I generally focus on legislation, because it is the best indicator of actual, lasting change in our society and system. Regulatory changes are fleeting, as we'll just put them right back in as soon as the Dems win again.

Cycloptichorn


I believe you should reflect on the applicability of the above to the vacuous arguments you are making.


Really? So, when I point out that you are factually incorrect when you state that Trump's job creation or UE numbers are significantly different than Obama's, that's a sign that MY argument is vacuous?

When I ask you for specific regulations that have led to the effects you describe, and you don't even bother to attempt to name them: that's MY argument that is deficient?

You live in an interesting world if you simultaneously believe all these things

Cycloptichorn
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blatham
 
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Mon 6 Nov, 2017 10:12 am
Quote:
At a news conference in Tokyo today, Donald Trump read from a prepared script and praised Japan's economy while standing alongside Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe. The American president then paused for a moment and decided to add an unscripted thought.

"I don't know if [Japan's economy is] as good as ours. I think not. OK? We're going to try to keep it that way. And you'll be second."
Benen

I have a great mind. Fantastic. One of the smartest minds ever. It's incredible. You wouldn't believe it.
revelette1
 
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Mon 6 Nov, 2017 10:18 am
@blatham,
He is such colicky infant who feels the need no matter the occasion to brag. He is an embarrassment and unfit for office and his little dog too.
blatham
 
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Mon 6 Nov, 2017 10:18 am
This piece by Ezra Klein speaks tangentially to a discussion nimh and I had yesterday on Trump's incompetence.
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America’s pathetic autocrat
Donald Trump’s authoritarian instincts have been checked by his incompetence.

The most important struggle playing out in American politics right now is between President Donald Trump’s thirst for power and his inability to use it effectively.

In a November 2 interview on WMAL radio in Washington, DC, Trump lamented his inability to use his authority to prosecute his political enemies. “You know the saddest thing, because I’m the president of the United States, I am not supposed to be involved with the Justice Department,” Trump said. “I am not supposed to be involved with the FBI. I’m not supposed to be doing the kinds of things that I would love to be doing. And I’m very frustrated by it.”

Trump’s instincts remain chilling. Ten months in the job have not eased his yearning to wield the autocrat’s iron authority; instead, they have magnified his frustration, his sense of persecution. That’s the bad news. The good news, such as it is, is that Trump’s 10 months on the job have revealed that he lacks the focus, the persistence, the strategic sense, to become the strongman he dreams of being. We have elected an authoritarian, but an apparently incompetent one. That is the bit of luck on which we are gambling our political system.
Vox
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blatham
 
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Mon 6 Nov, 2017 10:28 am
The Richest One Percent of America Gets Half the Trump Tax Cuts

https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2017/11/06/06-tax-cut.nocrop.w710.h2147483647.png
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Mon 6 Nov, 2017 10:37 am
@blatham,
It was quite obviously a joke.
blatham
 
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Mon 6 Nov, 2017 10:49 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
He is such colicky infant who feels the need no matter the occasion to brag.
This was such a bizarre and needless embarrassment of the Japanese leader (and Japanese people) in a public setting. But to see it as bragging is, I think, to seriously minimize who/what Trump is.

This is an example of bullying and alpha male dominance behavior. The goal is to shame and intimidate another or others. The perpetrator is either unaware of his behavior or he is proud of it. He's proud he can be cruel. This is the behavior of a sociopath. And Trump does this all the time.

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revelette1
 
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Mon 6 Nov, 2017 11:03 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
I doubt it, if it was, it was in bad taste and a poor one. Why didn't he bow as is the custom there? I am not sure that is a big deal, but it continues a pattern.
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revelette1
 
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Mon 6 Nov, 2017 11:08 am
There was something called the "paradise papers" released Sunday.

Paradise Papers," a trove of millions of leaked documents that show widespread holdings of cash in off-shore tax havens by the rich and powerful. (CNBC)
hightor
 
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Mon 6 Nov, 2017 11:50 am
@georgeob1,
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You have restricted the issue to the passage of legislation, without regard to the obvious facts of the many very significant regulatory changes that have occurred, and others promised by the new management of our increasingly bureaucratic state installed by Trump.

You know, regulations aren't put in place simply to stifle the economy or limit the profits of corporations. Regulations are there to protect the safety of consumers, to keep track of economic data, prevent unfair competition and questionable business practices, and to head off problems in the future. Removing regulations on allowable amounts of industrial pollution, for instance, results in social costs which are subsequently borne by taxpayers. It's a form of typically human behavior which seeks to maximize profits and gains in the short term, ignoring costs in the future which are the result of false efficiencies and unregulated greed.
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Setanta
 
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Mon 6 Nov, 2017 11:54 am
@blatham,
Thank you for the kind remark.
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Setanta
 
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Mon 6 Nov, 2017 11:56 am
@snood,
I agree completely with that. The old journalistic dodge that they're just serving the public's right to know is not much a fig leaf when letting the public know how much the survivors are grieving. Who needs to be told that?
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farmerman
 
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Mon 6 Nov, 2017 11:57 am
@revelette1,
and to think you can get em at Applebees
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Mon 6 Nov, 2017 12:20 pm
https://hotair.com/archives/2017/11/06/fishy-japan-suddenly-sees-major-boost-fake-news-exports-trump-arrival/?utm_source=hadaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl

Justin McCurry of The Guardian wrote:

White House reporters, keen perhaps to pick up on a Trump gaffe, captured the moment when he upended his box on their smartphones and tweeted evidence of his questionable grasp of fish keeping. However, other footage made clear that Trump was merely following his host’s lead.


Hot Air wrote:
Yes, and had CNN shown the wide-angle footage from the beginning, it wouldn’t have been an issue at all. Like any president on a state visit, Trump took his cues from his counterpart.


Hot Air wrote:
A second fake-news eruption came out of a meeting with auto manufacturers, a particularly thorny trade issue in the US. News media reported that Trump asked Japanese carmakers to build in the US. “Try building your cars in the United States instead of shipping them over,” Trump said. “Is that possible to ask? That’s not rude. Is that rude? I don’t think so.”

CNN and Slate immediately went to the fact-checkers. “Trump asks Japan to build cars in the U.S. It already does,” CNN headlined its report. Slate’s Jordan Weissman advised, “Perhaps someone should ask Trump where he thinks Toyota builds all those Camrys it sells in California. He might be pleasantly surprised to learn the answer.”


Our Pres. Trump wrote:
And in the room, we have a couple of the great folks from two of the biggest auto companies in the world that are building new plants and doing expansions of other plants. And you know who you are, and I want to just thank you very much. I want to thank you.

I also want to recognize the business leaders in the room whose confidence in the United States — they’ve been creating jobs — you have such confidence in the United States, and you’ve been creating jobs for our country for a long, long time. Several Japanese automobile industry firms have been really doing a job. And we love it when you build cars — if you’re a Japanese firm, we love it — try building your cars in the United States instead of shipping them over.
Actually, he said, not wrote.

Aaron Blake - WAPO wrote:
But this is completely unfair to Trump. A look at this fuller remarks makes clear he did know that Japanese cars are built in the United States. He even talked about it at-length and praised the manufacturers for the amount of jobs they’ve created here. …

Even if you isolate that one quote, it could be read simply as a plea for Japan to build more cars in the United States, which it seems is exactly what Trump meant.

Trump says plenty of things that are false or that belie a lack of familiarity with the subject at-hand. But spotlighting this quote as evidence of the latter is extremely uncharitable.


Hot Air wrote:
However, news organizations are supposed to report the news in its fullest context, not serve on Gaffe Watch and slice it up to justify their own biases. Rather than work responsibly to cover events, American media now seem to be entirely focused on creating memes. We can get plenty of those on social media from other sources, thank you very much.


Margaret Sullivan of WAPO wrote:
When there’s no agreed-upon reality — no Walter Cronkite as the most trusted man in America — we’re all in trouble.

This feeling of mistrust and disagreement on facts is backed up by public opinion polls: One reported last month that 46 percent of Americans believe the news media simply makes things up about Trump.

The president has been sowing those seeds of mistrust for many months, and cultivates them daily with extra-strength fertilizer.


Hot Air wrote:
Well, if the first day of Trump’s Asia trip is an example of Sullivan’s “golden age” of journalism, then there’s plenty of fertilizer getting spread around without Trump to add even more.


Two perfect examples of why Americans' trust in the New Media is so pathetically low, and if Sullivan really cares to explorable this lamentable state of affairs, she should pay attention to them.

Maybe Aaron Blake and a handful of other journalists are feeling the heat generated by the malpractice of their brethren, and don't like what it means for their profession. If so, Blake in particular, need not leave his office to seek relief. The Washington Post has repeatedly been guilty of publishing "news" which they have latter had to issue retractions upon.

The most charitable explanation is that competition in the News marketplace and corporate concerns for profit are pushing journalists to take shortcuts and ignore long established standards so they may trumpet a scoop and get clicks. (There's a link to Sullivan's article, but unless you are already paying WAPO for access to its online site, you won't get to see it...unless of course you are seduced by her headline and are willing to pay for the pleasure of reading yet another WAPO writer savage Trump.

Less charitable would be to credit the fall-off from standards, not from the pressure of the bottom-line, but from the zeal to bash Trump that for ideological reasons or simply the need to conform for the sake of one's career, is so pervasive with the MSM.

Least charitable of course but most likely is that for same reasons driving the former, journalists without a shred of integrity are manipulating stories or just making **** up. It's hard to imagine that anyone actually covering the two Japan stories cited wasn't able to come to the same conclusions as McCurry or Blake. If they were they should be fired for incompetence. Instead, they knew exactly what they were doing, which is incredibly dishonest and a real danger to an American institution our democracy relies pretty heavily upon.

There seems to a well-established meme within the MSM when it comes to Trump: "He makes **** up, so we should to!" Some clown (whose moniker escapes me)from the NYT actually wrote an Op-Ed piece rationalizing how failing to adhere to the standards taught in Journalism 101 is not only forgivable in the case of The Dread Pirate Donald, but a journalistic duty.

Some will dismiss these two examples of fake news as trivial; signifying nothing. "It's not like they reported he murdered someone or declared war on North Korea" or, worse, "Hey, we all know Trump is an oafish bull in the china shop. If these stories were manipulated to show that, it's still reporting The Truth." Either, I believe, would be a large mistake. If you are hoping that the News Media will play a major role in bringing down Trump, those hopes may be dashed if nearly half the country believes they are making **** up about him. Sure, he's fostered the suspicion, and at times disingenuously, but if the MSM wasn't guilty as charged so frequently, his cynical but brilliant counter-strategy couldn't work...with half the country.

Not to mention that everyone should be disappointed, outraged and scared when the institution we have foolishly trusted to tell us the truth, in countering the lies and deception of the powerful, is itself lying, and engaged in deceit. However the current, deeply divided, political environment in this country along with what should be a gift from the internet (scores of new sources for news) has enabled the great majority of us to do what we've always wanted: Consume news that confirms our biases. As a result, transgressions are trivialized, excused or denied and in the case of heavy duty ideological warriors, welcomed and encouraged.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Mon 6 Nov, 2017 12:27 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
That's a good post.

Cheers
Cycloptichorn
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BillW
 
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Mon 6 Nov, 2017 12:37 pm
@blatham,
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What is with your utter refusal to cite information sources that validate your claims? Either you are lazy or you're dishonest or perhaps both. And it is self-defeating because no one here has any reason at all to think you more than lazy or dishonest.


Sources are secret, as tRump's political correct speech informs the rest of the world, his people know what he is saying. Of course, we can't possibly know any of that poo-poo!
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