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@Setanta,

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The member George is addicted to accusing anyone with whom he disagrees politically as little better than a communist. As Bernie rightfully points out, it's a straw man because it makes no distinction between liberal democracy and the Marxist state. My experience of this member George is that he uses this smear on anyone who is not to the right of Genghis Kahn.

May I point out that Bannon is a self proclaimed Leninist!

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Reddit has closed down several extremist forums after updating its policy regarding violent content.
The newly banned and removed pages include r/NationalSocialism, r/Nazi, r/whitesarecriminals and r/far_right.
Reddit's new policy says: "Do not post content that encourages, glorifies, incites, or calls for violence or physical harm against an individual or a group of people."

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-41760968

Could aBannon, not so BrightBart and tRump be censored soon?

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@Setanta,

The positive achievements of Labor Unions have been recited many times. Nearly all are universal practice now and most required by law in this country and most others. The unions themselves have become anachronisms and most of their efforts to preserve their monopolies and legal requirements for payment of dues, as a condition of employment; create work rules designed only to preserve jobs that are no longer needed (and the union dues that go with them); etc. are often positively destructive to the companies that employ them - and to the jobs of all their employees. Life is long and continually changing :the pendulum moves from side to side. I wouldn't foreclose on unions or new emerging needs and appetites for them in new areas. However the fact is they have lost most of their private sector industrial base, and given the choice (and a secret ballot) most Union organizing efforts fail. Unions need to adapt and find their way in a competitive world just as do corporations. We shouldn't give them legal monopolies. Such efforts encourage their worst features: not their best. Same goes for corporations.

I am part of a company that does a great deal of environmental work for the EPA, and I have a fairly close point of observation for the changes Sec Pruitt is making in the Agency. Far from relaxing environmental standards and closing down EPA Superfund cleanups, he is improving the scientific basis for those standards and raising the real world progress of their cleanup programs. He is also addressing areas of technical incompetence in the organization ( one of which was revealed by an EPA induced dam failure in Colorado a couple of years ago) He has curtailed a couple of unconstitutional and illegal actions of bureaucratic overreach involving the treatment of puddles in farmer's fields as part of the navigable waters of the United States (as stipulated in the law) and the regulation of power generation in areas not yet put into law by our democratically elected Congress. In all of this he is focusing a long established and complacent bureaucracy on the scientific and managerial basics of its task, and weeding out some of the superficial nonsense that has distracted it. Not bad at all.

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@blatham,

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The left tries to make the World a better place.

Like those giants of the Left, Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Castro, Chavez, Che, Mugabe, Pol Pot, Arafat, LBJ, FDR, Wilson, Gosnell, Sanger, and Harvey Weinstein? (To name but a few)

Or the scribblers academics and artists who dispense leftwing propaganda like Chomsky, Krugman, Bill Nye, Reich, Zinn, Moore, Garofalo, Sarandon, Penn, Glover, Rodolfo Acuna, Lawrence Schall, Adam Kotsko, Grover Furr? (To name but a few)

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@BillW,

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I am sure they have lost a lot due to "Never tRump"ers too!

It's difficult to say. The 'never Trump' voices have been around (and high profile) since the primaries but once Trump was the nominee, many of those voices quieted (National Review is a perfect case in point). Corker and Flake are recent, of course. So what set of factors are in place is not clear to me.

As Colbert noted the other night, there is something of a civil war on the right (eg the battle brewing between McConnell supporters and the Bannon crowd) but it is the first civil war where neither side had any interest in helping blacks.

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@snood,

Well, that's a much brighter picture.

Politicians are either unprincipled or cowards. How the latter can be called principled though is beyond me.

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@BillW,

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May I point out that Bannon is a self proclaimed Leninist!

If I'd read that, I've forgotten. But it is no surprise at all as he has openly expressed admiration for Leni Riefenstahl and has proudly described himself as a propagandist. And, of course, Lenin was a hero of Grover Norquist who borrowed strategies from Lenin.

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@blatham,

McConnell is not a Never tRumper, he is a White Supremacist. He will do anything big money tells him to do, totally unAmerican. The true never tRumpers are still against him and speak out - against Fox News now also.

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@revelette1,

I've no idea why she might lie and I'm not in anyway suggesting she did, but why would a grieving widow arrange to have her anti-Trump congresswoman in attendance at the time of the call?

You don't find that curious?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

First, that quote isn't from me.
You're duplicating George's straw man error. A counter example would be if I claimed that Ghengis Khan and Reagan were the same sort of creature.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

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May I point out that Bannon is a self proclaimed Leninist!
If I'd read that, I've forgotten. But it is no surprise at all as he has openly expressed admiration for Leni Riefenstahl and has proudly described himself as a propagandist. And, of course, Lenin was a hero of Grover Norquist who borrowed strategies from Lenin.

May I point out here my political beief. The political spectrum is not a straight line, but a circle. Centrist/moderates are at six o'clock and Left and Right Wing extremists; White Supremacists, Nazi, KKK, Communists, Fascists, etc, meet at 12 o'clock. It is only a matter of a few degrees to move from one side to the other. They move to their own political winds. They are one in the same! They will except any economic model to their own twisted ideals to come out on top. I just hate to think 1/3 of all USA are this deplorable.

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@BillW,

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McConnell is not a Never tRumper, he is a White Supremacist.

The first half is true. The second half is not a claim I'd make because I have no evidence to suggest it is so. I truly despise McConnell (he is unprincipled in the sense Finn uses that term) but he doesn't have the sort of record that Sessions has (so far as I know).

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

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McConnell is not a Never tRumper, he is a White Supremacist.
The first half is true. The second half is not a claim I'd make because I have no evidence to suggest it is so. I truly despise McConnell (he is unprincipled in the sense Finn uses that term) but he doesn't have the sort of record that Sessions has (so far as I know).

My definition, a White Supremacist apologizer is a White Supremacist, especially in these times. You better come out strong and long against to not be!

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@BillW,

That was Setanta's suggest earlier. I don't have a big beef with it. I think it doesn't matter what milieu or system sociopaths arise within, they'll act within the existing system to attempt to achieve dominance and oppression of others. But some systems/cultures facilitate such people's grasp on power and other systems inhibit that.

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When NBC News' Frank Thorp asked Cornyn if he agrees with Moore's contention that homosexuality should be illegal, the Texas Republican said something interesting:

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"I don't have to agree with somebody to support them over the Democratic nominee. I support the nominee of my party."

When Thorp pressed further, noting that Moore also believes religious minorities he disapproves of shouldn't be allowed to serve in Congress, Cornyn was similarly unmoved.

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"I have disagreement within my own family, [it] doesn't mean I care for them any less, so I support the nominee of my party."

Benen

It does not take a rocket scientist to see where this goes.

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@blatham,

This is a perfect example of what I pointed out earlier, this makes Cornyn a genuine homophobic white supremacist. There is a stopping point and it is well before this stance. It is a "They made me do it" argument. What is next? Eliminate just the bad ones, who gets to choose?

blatham wrote:

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When NBC News' Frank Thorp asked Cornyn if he agrees with Moore's contention that homosexuality should be illegal, the Texas Republican said something interesting:

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"I don't have to agree with somebody to support them over the Democratic nominee. I support the nominee of my party."

When Thorp pressed further, noting that Moore also believes religious minorities he disapproves of shouldn't be allowed to serve in Congress, Cornyn was similarly unmoved.

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"I have disagreement within my own family, [it] doesn't mean I care for them any less, so I support the nominee of my party."
Benen

It does not take a rocket scientist to see where this goes.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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but why would a grieving widow arrange to have her anti-Trump congresswoman in attendance at the time of the call?

You don't find that curious?

No I don't, they are friends, it goes to back to "5,000 Role Models of Excellence Project, a mentorship program founded by Rep. Wilson in 1993".

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

I've no idea why she might lie and I'm not in anyway suggesting she did, but why would a grieving widow arrange to have her anti-Trump congresswoman in attendance at the time of the call?

You don't find that curious?

The woman had been "in attendance" for much of Sgt Johnson's life - and that of Sgt Hohnson's father's life before that. She watched and supported the guy as he grew up and celebrated his achievements along with the family. Why wouldnt she be there for him and his family when he was killed in battle?

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@snood,

I didn't know that. I knew Wilson talked about the project and just assumed that was how they met.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Well, that's a much brighter picture.

Politicians are either unprincipled or cowards. How the latter can be called principled though is beyond me.

That's all or nothing thinking. Surely every person with principles is not courageous in every circumstance.

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