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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
tony5732
 
  -2  
Tue 27 Dec, 2016 08:38 am
@tony5732,
Alicia Garza

Opal Tometi

Patrisse Cullors

Look at what these three people are saying, and more importantly look at what they are NOT saying about their movement.
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blatham
 
  2  
Tue 27 Dec, 2016 08:38 am
Quote:
Donald J. TrumpVerified account
‏@realDonaldTrump
I gave millions of dollars to DJT Foundation, raised or recieved millions more, ALL of which is given to charity, and media won't report!

Well, of course they did report on this but that reporting demonstrated that you were and are lying through your teeth, Donald.
David Fahrenthold
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Frugal1
 
  -2  
Tue 27 Dec, 2016 08:50 am


Never forget

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CS0SgRYW4AAVgq_.jpg
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blatham
 
  3  
Tue 27 Dec, 2016 08:55 am
Thinking some more about this tweet
Quote:
Donald J. TrumpVerified account
‏@realDonaldTrump
The world was gloomy before I won - there was no hope. Now the market is up nearly 10% and Christmas spending is over a trillion dollars!


This sort of statement isn't in any respect unusual for Trump eg "Only I can fix the nation" etc. This is commonplace for him.

And it isn't that this sort of inflation of one's place or role in history is merely worthy of ridicule, though it certainly is worthy of ridicule. Nor is it merely that this characteristic is pathological, though it is surely that too.

The most important aspect to this is how characteristic it is of the autocratic leader. If we understand this, we understand that Trump is far closer to Kim Jong-un or Muammar Gaddafi or Henry VIII or Napoleon than he is to any prior US president including Nixon.
Frugal1
 
  -1  
Tue 27 Dec, 2016 09:18 am
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0p72KRXUAACKho.jpg:large
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Frugal1
 
  -1  
Tue 27 Dec, 2016 09:26 am

0bama said he would beat Trump...

Maybe 0bama is talking about giving Trump an old fashioned.
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farmerman
 
  4  
Tue 27 Dec, 2016 09:35 am
    http://mikepellegrini.com/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/trump-Hitler.jpg
Frugal1
 
  -1  
Tue 27 Dec, 2016 09:41 am
@farmerman,
That's the life size poster you have over your bed, right farmer?


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tony5732
 
  -1  
Tue 27 Dec, 2016 10:35 am
@blatham,
To be fair, trump didn't "fail" he simply found several ways to not succeed, and he is stinking rich.

If our economy isn't improved when he leaves office (currently signs in the stock market already suggest otherwise), than your right. We still have either 4 or 8 years before we can sum up the benefits/ consequences of a trump presidency.
revelette1
 
  3  
Tue 27 Dec, 2016 10:40 am
@blatham,
My choice is Henry VIII. I have been wondering how he is going to get rid of his wife, after all she must be running past her expiration date which he said once was thirty five. To quote Alice in Wonderland, "off with her head."

Quote:
In a 2002 appearance, Trump called 30 "a perfect" age for a woman and said that when a woman turns 35, "it's called check-out time."


source
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revelette1
 
  2  
Tue 27 Dec, 2016 10:50 am
Trump's Cabinet Picks Disagree With Him on Key Issues
Quote:

President-elect Donald Trump has assembled a cabinet and senior staff with divergent views on such issues as the deficit, trade, climate change, and Russia, posing a challenge for his administration as he tries to mold his own sweeping campaign themes into specific policies for governing.

His budget director pick, Rep. Mick Mulvaney (R., S.C.), has stridently opposed raising the debt ceiling, but Mr. Trump has proposed steep tax cuts and large increases in defense and infrastructure spending that many economists believe will grow the deficit.

Several of his cabinet member selections backed a trade deal negotiated by President Barack Obama with Asian nations, which Mr. Trump opposed and has vowed to abandon.

His appointee to the State Department, Rex Tillerson, has said he believes science proves that climate change is being caused in part by human behavior, something Mr. Trump in the past has called a “hoax.”

Former White House officials said that incoming administrations often have to grapple with contrarian viewpoints. In 2008, newly elected President Barack Obama selected for his cabinet two of his rivals for the Democratic nomination—Hillary Clinton as secretary of state and Tom Vilsack as agriculture secretary—despite differences displayed on the primary campaign trail. Mr. Obama had already tapped another rival, Joe Biden, as his running mate.

However, Mr. Trump will be surrounded by a plethora of divergent voices from the outset.


A lot more at the source which is Wall street Journal (not a liberal source).The whole piece is interesting to see how the differing outlooks will play out in the coming months.
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georgeob1
 
  -1  
Tue 27 Dec, 2016 11:04 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

And it isn't that this sort of inflation of one's place or role in history is merely worthy of ridicule, though it certainly is worthy of ridicule. Nor is it merely that this characteristic is pathological, though it is surely that too.

The most important aspect to this is how characteristic it is of the autocratic leader. If we understand this, we understand that Trump is far closer to Kim Jong-un or Muammar Gaddafi or Henry VIII or Napoleon than he is to any prior US president including Nixon.


Both Blatham and farmerman are very willing to deduce rather deep judgments about Trump's character, based on their distant observations of what he says & tweets, and mannerisms they observe on television. These things can indeed provide insight to character, and most of us through our lives do develop some skills in this area. However the facts that, both go so far into detailed specific judgment; have obvious political biases against Trump; and have failed completely to cast the same critical, but superficial, eye on his competing political figures , should make us all skeptical, Farmerman claims Trump has A.D.D. and is another Hitler: Blatham sees pathological self-importance and impulses towards autocracy comparable to that of Kin Jong Il & Kaddafi.

I'll concede Trump appears and likely is a bit egoistic. Moreover he has (like most candidates) laid out a program of action he proposes to take in office. In his case it involves major changes to domestic policy and the organization and behavior of the Executive Branch of our government, and some specific new approaches in our approaches to the many external cchallenges we face -- all after eight years of failed (largely absent) leadership in the hands of the hapless, self absorbed, ego driven, incompetent currently in the White House. Hard to do all that, and survive a very divisive, sometimes bitterly personal campaign, without some appearances of self awareness, drive and a willingness to challenge and change things before him.

I too have entrertained concerns about Trump's willingness to deal with a government structure deliberately designed to limit single sources of power with checks and balances. He exhibits a pattern of eye-catching initial overstatement, usually followed by more sensible synthesis that could help or hurt his performance in office. In contrast his choices of strong, independent people for his cabinet and his outreach to both opponents and leaders of the Congress, suggest some real leadership ability. Time will tell us all. Either way it will be a marked change from what we hve seen for the past eitht years from the neurotic, narcissistic Hamlet currently in the White House.

It has occurred to me that Obama likely thought he was telling us the truth in his now famous " If you like your current health plan you can keep it; if you like your doctor you can keep him..." statement regsarding his then developing plan to upend the health care system in the country. I suspect the truth is he just didn't know (or perhaps care) about the details and specifics, and didn't have enough experience in actually leading any organization to know they are both material and important. Analogous statements could be made about his inept foreign policy.

Now in the wake of eight years of steady and significant losses in both Houses of Congress and state legislatures across the country, plus 15 or so State governorships and the Presidency, Obama flatly rejects the idea that any of this could have been a result of his "leadership", policy or legacy,claiming, as he recently did, that none of this s a reflection on him and that he could have won a third term as President. Notwithstanding the juvenile (perhaps unmanly would be better, but the wussy segment of the audience would not be pleased) tone of this very odd statement, it certainly does suggest some serious denial, detachment and self absorption that does not comport with the requirementd of high office,

Obama epidomizes the self-absorption of neurotic, deluded progressives who wish (or demand) to be judged by the virtue of their intentions instead of the results they actually achieve. It's a bit like a General demanding to be judged by the elegance of his battle plan, instead of the outcome of the battle. Nice if you can get it but life and responsinility don't work that way.

I believe the stark contrast that Trump presents to the current occupant of the White House contributes to the impressions that both Farmerman and Blatham are expressing. It is merely odd that they never noted or acknowedged Obama's contributions to that contrast.

giujohn
 
  -1  
Tue 27 Dec, 2016 11:40 am
New York Times
By DAVID PAUL KUHN
DECEMBER 26, 2016

Donald J. Trump won the white working-class vote over Hillary Clinton by a larger margin than any major-party nominee since World War II. Instead of this considerable achievement inspiring introspection, figures from the heights of journalism, entertainment, literature and the Clinton campaign continue to suggest that Mr. Trump won the presidency by appealing to the bigotry of his supporters. As Bill Clinton recently said, the one thing Mr. Trump knows “is how to get angry white men to vote for him.”

This stereotyping of Trump voters is not only illiberal, it falsely presumes Mr. Trump won because of his worst comments about women and minorities rather than despite them.

In fact, had those people who agreed that Mr. Trump lacked “a sense of decency” voted for Mrs. Clinton, she would have been elected the next president.

Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Trump equally won over party loyalists. Yet about one in five voters did not have a favorable view of either candidate. These voters overwhelmingly backed Mr. Trump. Exit polls demonstrated that if voters who disapproved of both candidates had divided evenly between them, Mrs. Clinton would have won.

Several weeks before the election, a Quinnipiac University poll found that 51 percent of white working-class voters did not believe that Mr. Trump had a “sense of decency” and ranked Mrs. Clinton slightly higher on that quality.


But they were not voting on decency. Indeed, one-fifth of voters — more than 25 million Americans — said they “somewhat” disapproved of Mr. Trump’s treatment of women. Mr. Trump won three-quarters of these voters, despite their disapprobation.

Bluntly put, much of the white working class decided that Mr. Trump could be a jerk. Absent any other champion, they supported the jerk they thought was more on their side — that is, on the issues that most concerned them.

And anti-immigrant blowback, for instance, was not what unified them. Mr. Trump proposed expelling illegal immigrants yet more of his voters, by a 50 percent to 45 percent margin, said illegal immigrants working here should be offered a chance to apply for legal status rather than be deported.


In the Obama era, we also saw that race was not a critical driver of white swing votes. Barack Obama won more support among white men in 2008, including the working class, than any Democrat since 1980.

Mr. Obama’s support among these whites was at its peak in 2008 after the stock market crash. At the depths of the Great Recession that followed, blue-collar white men experienced the most job losses.

Their support began hemorrhaging after Mr. Obama chose early in his presidency — when congressional Democrats could have overcome Republican obstruction — to fight for health care reform instead of a “new New Deal.”

By 2016, Mr. Trump personified the vote against the status quo, one still not working out for them. A post-campaign study comparing the George W. Bush coalition in 2000 to the Trump coalition in 2016 found that Mr. Trump particularly improved in areas hurt most by competition from Chinese imports, from the bygone brick and tile industry of Mason City, Iowa, to the flagging furniture plants of Hickory, N.C. The study concluded that, had the import competition from China been half as large, Mrs. Clinton would have won key swing states and the presidency with them.

This argument does not ignore bigotry. Racism appeared more concentrated among Trump voters. One poll found that four in 10 Trump supporters said blacks were more “lazy” than whites, compared with one-quarter of Clinton or John Kasich supporters.

But traits are not motives and don’t necessarily decide votes. Consider that four in 10 liberal Democrats, the largest share of any group, said in 2011 that they would hold a Mormon candidate’s faith against him or her. It would be silly to argue that, therefore, liberals voted for Mr. Obama because Mitt Romney was Mormon.

Yet the Trump coalition continues to be branded as white backlash. The stereotyping forgets that many Trump supporters held a progressive outlook. Mr. Trump won nearly one in four voters who wanted the next president to follow more liberal policies.

Democrats need only recall Mr. Clinton to understand how voters can support someone in spite of his faults. Mr. Clinton won re-election in 1996 despite a majority, including about a third of liberal voters, saying he was not honest. His approval rating reached the highest point of his presidency during the Monica Lewinsky scandal. It wasn’t that Democrats and independents endorsed Mr. Clinton’s behavior. They opposed Republicans more.

Two decades later, we are reminded again that a vote for a presidential candidate is not a vote for every aspect of him. We can look for the worst in our opponents, but that doesn’t always explain how they got the best of us
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Frugal1
 
  0  
Tue 27 Dec, 2016 12:12 pm
0bama's legacy is covered in blood.

More than 60 law enforcement officers fatally shot this year, 20 in ambushes, report finds.

ALL lives matter.
giujohn
 
  0  
Tue 27 Dec, 2016 12:25 pm
@Frugal1,
Godamn right.
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cicerone imposter
 
  4  
Tue 27 Dec, 2016 12:32 pm
@georgeob1,
Trump has a history of racial bigotry. He didn't rent to blacks. That's enough information about him to denigrate him, and make judgements about this bigot. He questioned the legitimacy of Obama's presidency for five years. His election as our president is a disgrace.

Trump is not a good businessman. He has declared bankruptcy five times (7 according to some reports).


For all of Obama's faults, he still enjoys a 56% approval rating. While the world economy is struggling, our's continues to grow at over 2%, and our GDP is still #1.

It takes 28 countries of the European Union to equal our GDP. No contest.
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tony5732
 
  -1  
Tue 27 Dec, 2016 12:33 pm
@Frugal1,
With you on this one. Very sick of BLMBS.
tony5732
 
  -1  
Tue 27 Dec, 2016 12:45 pm
@Frugal1,
I will say that BLM definitely helped create a united front amongst conservatives. It's one subject pretty much any conservative and a lot of independent voters can agree on. This group is ugly. Democrats back them, Republicans don't.
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maporsche
 
  4  
Tue 27 Dec, 2016 12:54 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
...and his outreach to both opponents and leaders of the Congress


Examples of his reaching out to opponents please.
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Tue 27 Dec, 2016 12:56 pm
@tony5732,
Trump may be stinking rich, but he would be much richer if he had invested in index funds.
He declared bankruptcy 4 to 6 times, scamming many people.
There's something wrong with people who admires this racial bigot and scammer.
 

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