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oralloy
 
  -2  
Sun 8 Oct, 2017 05:33 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
This is the latest slice of far right bullshit, instead of dealing with the consequences of Nevada's lax gun laws they invent some PC gone mad crap about being called racist.

So instead of talking about events we're talking about what actually defines a terrorist, so we can tell Lash that the far right's fictional detractors are wrong, and that possibly they are victims of an over zealous PC gone made liberal elite.

Don't fall for it.

Nevada's gun laws are hardly lax.

Leftist goofballs misusing the meaning of terrorism (or making false accusations of racism) are hardly fictional. That's what liberals always do. And conservatives are hardly to blame for leftist goofballs spouting weird nonsense.

Conservatives are also not responsible for the lack of conversation. For the most part there is just simply nothing to talk about.

I'm kind of in the mood for a nice Second Amendment argument that militiamen have the right to have machineguns (real machineguns, not merely bump stocks) and Stinger anti-aircraft missiles. If anyone wants to have a vigorous debate over the Second Amendment, I'm ready. But it seems that no one else feels like talking about it. Probably because it is abundantly clear that I am correct and there is no basis for arguing with me.

So it's not conservatives who are preventing conversation on this subject.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Sun 8 Oct, 2017 06:27 pm
@wmwcjr,
I may have missed a post or two but it seems that you only actually identified one individual who meets your definition of a neo-Confederate. (I admit though that I am not certain of what that definition actually is)

Endorsing a return to a period when African-Americans were enslaved would be an extremely bold position to take by any public figure in this nation, let alone someone who can be legitimately associated with the GOP. I find it very difficult to believe that anyone not demented would do so, and I feel similarly about the possibility that public figures are openly expressing the comparatively less insane but equally noxious position that the country would somehow be much better off if we returned to the conditions of the Jim Crow era. I'm not suggesting that there aren't people in this country who would welcome a return to a time when African-American's were second-class citizens, and I've no doubt that there are even some cretins who fantasize about a return to the days when humans were bought and sold, but such people are cranks, kooks, and extremely base individuals (with many more than likely being very capable of criminal activity) but the suggestion that there is a group of such neo-Confederates in prominence and associated closely with the GOP or conservatism, in general, is extremely difficult for me to even consider, and I don't mind saying that I won't unless and until you are able to provide me with a lot more specifics in terms of individuals and their words and deeds.

As for reviling Lincoln, it would be very odd if there were any group of public figures who expressed an opinion of Lincoln that amounted to revilement, and even more so if they could be legitimately associated with the Republican Party. Having said this, Lincoln was not a god and as subject to legitimate criticism as any president or man. You yourself suggested that Lincoln would likely have been a segregationist if he had lived well beyond that night at the Ford Theater.

There is little doubt that Lincoln personally abhorred slavery but his words and deeds as president were not consistent with any notion of him as The Abolitionist-in-Chief. Obviously, he was also a product of his time and while he may have been more enlightened on issues of race than many of his fellow Americans there are things he has written and said that would be considered racist in our time. As you're probably aware, he at one point expressed the opinion that the white and black races were much too different to live side by side in America and was in favor of transporting the slaves he intended to see free to Africa to establish their own lands.

Now I know you are not suggesting that these neo-Confederates and men like Strom Thurmond are or were critical of Lincoln because of what certainly appears from today's perspective to be racist views, but certainly, any criticism of Lincoln by any Republican is not verboten simply because of the man's position in the history of the nation and his party. Again, he was a man, not a demi-god.

As for your certainty that men like Thurmond and Helms didn't hold Lincoln in high regard, I would ask why you are so sure? Have you read or heard words from any of the Dems who switched to the GOP that indicate they did not hold Lincoln in high esteem? Or are you assuming they did not based on your own prejudice? It's quite possible that you are absolutely correct about this, and if you tell me you have read or heard their words which prove it, that's good enough for me. I don't need cites, I'll take your word. I just think there is too much assuming of thoughts and intent going on in this nation and at this time and such assumptions are not always correct, no matter how reasonable they seem to be. People should be judged on their own actual words and deeds and not what we assume them obe.
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cameronleon
 
  -4  
Sun 8 Oct, 2017 06:30 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
Baloney — the country is 80% Catholic.


That is right, Islam is the second preferred religion, with estimated 11% followers. I wrote what I wrote based on the people from Philippines I knew which were a lot and all of them Muslims. Even one close neighbor and his family who moved to another city five years ago were also Muslims.

My mistake.

Where her family resides in Philippines? If the family resides in the South, in the area known as Bangsamoro, then Marilou might grew up learning the Islam.

But heavy reasons against the idea of a Muslim Marilou is her divorce.

The poor or none information about her is not helping to determine her religious denomination. In Islam, the divorce won't exist but the termination of marriage. But in civil matrimony, she separately or the husband by his own or both together can apply for divorce.

In theory, if she is Catholic, the divorce is not accepted as well, so it could be another way in this religion to nullify it.

She probably is not following any religion at all.

The approach for using religion is to check if her religious tendency -if any- might have caused influence on Stephen Paddock.

One think appears as clear to me, Stephen Paddock wasn't a hermit.

He might be a kind of solitary person but he was wealthy enough for going to casinos, theaters, travel around, and be by himself as well.

If something was in his mind, I doubt it was craziness, or any mental condition, unless a tumor is found in his brain.

By finding an accomplice will speed up the solution of his motive.

I don't think it was political.






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hightor
 
  3  
Sun 8 Oct, 2017 06:33 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
I'm kind of in the mood for a nice Second Amendment argument that militiamen have the right to have machineguns (real machineguns, not merely bump stocks) and Stinger anti-aircraft missiles.

I believe those sorts of weapons are used by militia members in the National Guard.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Sun 8 Oct, 2017 06:46 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
I believe those sorts of weapons are used by militia members in the National Guard.

People in the National Guard are not militiamen as the term is used in the Second Amendment. They are sworn members of the US Army. That makes them part of the standing army, the very opposite of the militia of the Second Amendment.

And as members of the standing army, national guardsmen fight in wars outside US borders, unlike the militia whose federal role is constitutionally limited to enforcing the law, repelling invasion, and suppressing insurrection.

National guardsmen also store their weapons in government bases, unlike militiamen who take their weapons home with them (after all it's "keep and bear arms" not merely "bear arms").

Militia officers are also chosen by state governments. I'm not up to speed on how National Guard officers are selected, but I've never heard of state governments choosing them.
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cameronleon
 
  -4  
Sun 8 Oct, 2017 07:22 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
I suppose if any of these clowns are exceptionally talented, customers might keep buying their music even though they want to abolish their customers' freedom.

If any of these clowns are not top notch artists though, their desire to crush the freedom of their audience will probably result in a serious drop in revenue.


Perhaps out of topic, but I met with White guys from rural areas. You might be surprised that many of them believe that "the King is alive" (Elvis) and you won't understand how in the world they repair their cars using the most ingenious ways that no law of physics can rule over... they might be in bikes making loud sound followed by a whirlwind of dust and they might be resting under the Sun drinking beer and praising George Bush, and today they might be praising Donald Trump... but by any means don't try to mess with their guns and riffles.

Contrary to what other dudes will do, like people from cities who will propose a boycott to that singer or song because is proposing gun control, it is more possible that they might continue listening the music and will ignore what the singer says and does until their right of bearing arms is indeed affected.

The possibilities are that they will do nothing against the artist and his songs or CDs, because I can assure you that they will have the prohibited arms in their hands anyway.

About how they manage to obtain them, that for me is a mystery, but they will have the automatic weapon with triple "bum" and they will continue listening the singer's songs as if nothing have happened.
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Setanta
 
  2  
Sun 8 Oct, 2017 08:01 pm
I'm surprised that no one has reported this President Plump tidbit in this thread:

Quote:
“I think one of the greatest of all terms I’ve come up with is ‘fake'," he said.


Source at the Independent Online

He made the statement, apparently, during an interview on the right-wing, fundamentalist Trinity Broadcasting.

I'll tell ya, the best comedy is unintended.
roger
 
  1  
Sun 8 Oct, 2017 08:53 pm
@Setanta,
A man that can invent a word like 'fake' has no limits.
thack45
 
  1  
Sun 8 Oct, 2017 09:05 pm
@Setanta,
I don't know what you're talking about. Trump might as well have been sitting in front of Edward R Murrow. Anytime an interviewer says something like "you were a rock star", you know the guy's only gonna ask questions with the nation's best interests in mind—nasty, after-the-fact Twitter revenge be damned.
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Setanta
 
  2  
Mon 9 Oct, 2017 12:35 am
@roger,
Certainly as regards comic relief . . .
roger
 
  1  
Mon 9 Oct, 2017 12:55 am
@Setanta,
He might be funny, but you've really got to have the right frame of mind.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Mon 9 Oct, 2017 12:58 am
Quote:
Turkey and the US have become embroiled in a consular row, mutually suspending most visa services.
The Turkish embassy in Washington said it needed to "reassess" the US government's commitment to the security of the mission and personnel.
A very similar statement was earlier made by the US embassy in Ankara.
This comes after a US consulate worker in Istanbul was held last week on suspicion of links to a cleric blamed for last year's failed coup in Turkey.
Washington condemned the move as baseless and damaging to bilateral relations.
The arrested consulate employee was a male Turkish citizen, Turkey's state-run Anadolu news agency reported.
In its statement on Sunday, the Turkish embassy in Washington said: "Recent events have forced the Turkish government to reassess the commitment of the government of the US to the security of the Turkish mission facilities and personnel.
"In order to minimise the number of the visitors to our diplomatic and consular missions in the US while this assessment proceeds, effective immediately we have suspended all visa services regarding the US citizens at our diplomatic and consular missions in the US.
"This measure will apply to sticker visas as well as e-visas and border visas."
The Turkish statement is virtually the same as the earlier American one, with only country names being replaced.
The American mission said that "all non-immigrant visa services at all US diplomatic facilities in Turkey" had been suspended.
Non-immigrant visas are issued to those travelling to the US for tourism, medical treatment, business, temporary work or study.
Those seeking citizenship or permanent residency apply for US immigrant visas.
Ankara has for months been pressing Washington to extradite US-based cleric Fethullah Gulen over his alleged role in the coup attempt in July 2016.
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan accuses Mr Gulen of instigating the unrest - a charge the cleric denies.
In the aftermath of the coup attempt, which was led by military officers, 40,000 people were arrested and 120,000 sacked or suspended.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41547502
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Setanta
 
  3  
Mon 9 Oct, 2017 01:13 am
@roger,
When it comes to black humor, I take the attitude that it is better to laugh than to cry.
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Mon 9 Oct, 2017 01:20 am
Quote:
US Vice-President Mike Pence has walked out of a National Football League (NFL) game after several players refused to stand for the US national anthem.
Mr Pence said he could not be present at an event that "disrespects our soldiers, our flag" after abandoning the game in his home state of Indiana.
President Donald Trump tweeted that he had asked Mr Pence to leave if players kneeled and said he was "proud of him".
Kneeling at NFL games has become a form of protest against racial injustice.
Mr Trump has criticised players sharply for the protests and pressed the NFL to ban them.
"I left today's Colts game because @POTUS [President Trump] and I will not dignify any event that disrespects our soldiers, our flag, or our National Anthem," Mr Pence tweeted on Sunday.
Mike Pence travelled quite a ways - from Nevada to Indianapolis then back west to California - to make a statement.
There's little doubt the vice-president, despite his earlier tweet about looking forward to attending an NFL game in his home state, planned to walk out early.
The matchup involved the San Francisco 49ers, whose then-quarterback, Colin Kaepernick, started the kneeling protests. Mr Pence's media pool was told the vice-president might be making a quick exit. And Mr Pence's press statement, followed by a presidential tweet of approval, appeared shortly after Mr Pence left.
Next come the questions. Was that statement worth the vice-president's time? And how much did that trip cost US taxpayers?
Trump's supporters are already celebrating the move, helping the vice-president burnish his standing with his boss's loyal base.
Some of the NFL players were clearly irritated by what they saw as a political publicity stunt.
Americans, according to polls, are split. They're not happy about the NFL protests, but they don't like Mr Trump's eagerness to stoke the flames of controversy. Now - as tensions rise in North Korea and yet another hurricane slams into the US - Mr Pence is joining the anthem fray.
Mr Pence's departure came after players from the visiting San Francisco 49ers did not stand during the anthem before the game against the Indianapolis Colts.
"While everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I don't think it's too much to ask NFL players to respect the flag," Mr Pence added.
"I left today's Colts game because @POTUS and I will not dignify any event that disrespects our soldiers, our Flag, or our National Anthem."
He had earlier tweeted that he and his wife Karen were looking forward to the game in a tweet in which he used of photo of then both wearing Colts shirts.
That the photo appeared also to have been used in 2014 has in part helped fuel critics' claims his walk out was a publicity stunt.
Mr Trump has previously said that his comments condemning the NFL protests have "nothing to do with race".
But his criticism of the protests has appeared to galvanise players. Recent protests have involved players kneeling, linking arms or staying in the locker room during the Star-Spangled Banner.
San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick stirred controversy last year when he first knelt for the anthem to highlight the treatment of black Americans after a series of police shootings.
Since then, more and more public figures in the US have been "taking a knee" at big events and using the hashtag #TakeAKnee on social media.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41544567
izzythepush
 
  2  
Mon 9 Oct, 2017 01:35 am
Quote:
The White House has tied any new deal on young undocumented immigrants to a clampdown on illegal immigration, including a border wall with Mexico.
US President Donald Trump is asking for funding for the wall, speedier deportations and the hiring of thousands of new immigration officials.
Last month he ended the Obama-era "Dreamer" programme which had protected some 690,000 immigrants.
Leading Democrats in Congress have rejected the latest proposals.
They accused Mr Trump of backtracking on a commitment not to include the border wall in negotiations over the status of young immigrants, who are mostly from Mexico and other Latin American countries.
The Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (Daca) programme, set up in 2012 under President Barack Obama, is due to expire in March, casting doubt on the future of those protected.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41548363
Romeron
 
  -1  
Mon 9 Oct, 2017 01:59 am
@izzythepush,
Can you answer to my question.
roger
 
  2  
Mon 9 Oct, 2017 02:25 am
@Romeron,
If it wasn't on this thread, and recently, he probably has no idea what your question was.
blatham
 
  2  
Mon 9 Oct, 2017 03:03 am
Quote of the day, from Bob Corker

‘The White House Has Become An Adult Day Care Center’
izzythepush
 
  2  
Mon 9 Oct, 2017 03:09 am
@Romeron,
What question would that be?
 

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