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Setanta
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 07:29 am
Winston would be proud--rewriting history is serious business, you know.
blatham
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 07:40 am
@Setanta,
It is. And as Winston discovered, the good guys might not win.
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blatham
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 07:46 am
Get familiar with the guy supporting Roy Moore.
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Alabama Republican Senate nominee Roy Moore’s top supporter is a hardline Confederate sympathizer with longtime ties to a secessionist group.

Michael David Peroutka (pictured on the right above, with Moore in 2011) has given Moore, his foundation and his campaigns well over a half-million dollars over the past decade-plus. He’s also expressed beliefs that make even Moore’s arguably theocratic anti-gay and anti-Muslim views look mainstream by comparison. Chief among them: He’s argued that the more Christian South needs to secede and form a new Biblical nation.

The close connections raise further questions about the racial and religious views of Moore, the former Alabama supreme court chief justice and the front-runner to become Alabama’s next U.S. senator.

...Peroutka, a 2004 Constitution Party presidential nominee who in 2014 won a seat as a Republican on the county commission in Anne Arundel County, Maryland, spent years on the board of the Alabama-based League of the South, a southern secessionist group which for years has called for a southern nation run by an “Anglo-Celtic” elite. The Southern Poverty Law Center designates the League of the South as a hate group (a designation Peroutka regularly jokes about). That organization, after Peroutka left, was one of the organizers of the Charlottesville protests last summer that ended in bloodshed.
TPM

Not too difficult to grasp why Bannon/Breitbart are behind Moore, is it?
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Brian Beutler‏Verified account @brianbeutler 52m52 minutes ago
Brian Beutler Retweeted Josh Marshall
As long as nobody has taken a knee, I can’t fathom what the problem here is.

Heck of a party, this modern GOP. Make Lynchings Great Again.
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oralloy
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 09:04 am
@hightor,
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The Cancer in the Constitution
Timothy Egan, NYT, 10/06

That liberals see freedom as a cancer is one of the reasons why liberalism is a cancer.


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One of the great disconnects of our history is how a nation birthed on the premise that all men are created equal could enshrine an entire race of people as three-fifths of a human being.

Oh good grief. The 3/5 compromise was all about whether or not one slave owner who possessed 1000 slaves would be allowed to cast 1001 votes on election day.

This clown actually writes for the New York Times?


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Not so with guns. The Second Amendment, as applied in the last 30 years or so, has become so perverted, twisted and misused that you have to see it now as the second original sin in the founding of this country, after slavery.

News flash: liberals hate freedom.


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It wasn’t meant to be the instrument for the worst kind of American exceptionalism — setting up the United States as the most violent of developed nations. But it is now. The more we stand out for random mass killings daily, the more the leading cause becomes clear: the warped interpretation of the freedom to own lethal weaponry.

No. Our freedom is not the cause of our violence.


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The amendment itself is not the problem. Yes, it’s vague, poorly worded, lacking nuance. But the intent is clear with the opening clause: “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State.”

It is not at all vague or poorly worded. Liberals just don't like what the words say.

The intent of the first half is clear from the text of the first half.

The intent of the second half is clear from the text of the second half.


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The purpose is security — against foreign invaders and domestic insurrectionists.

No. The purpose of the first half is to require the government to always have a militia. The purpose of the second half is to protect the right to keep and bear arms that was created in the 1689 English Bill of Rights.


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All of his weapons were legal but should not be by any rational reading of the Second Amendment. Did the founders really intend to empower crazy people to kill children at school or worshipers in a church? If they did, then we should all have the right to portable nukes — for that is the logical conclusion of such an argument.

Um.... Strict Scrutiny anyone?


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No, the Second Amendment became a cancer because lawmakers stopped making laws to match the technological advances of weaponry.

Only liberals see freedom as a cancer. And this NYT buffon might want to look into the fact that laws controlling dangerous weapons were passed more than 80 years ago.


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They did it to appease a lobby of gunmakers. And that cowering to a single special interest shows how the cancer has spread to the democracy itself, making it nearly impossible for majority will to be exercised.

Poor little liberal. No one will allow him to abolish freedom.


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The disgraced former cable pundit Bill O’Reilly said all the recent carnage is “the price of freedom.” But it’s not the price of freedom in Canada or Japan or England. It’s the price of freedom only in the United States, where mass killings have surged. In every other free country, sanity has prevailed.

It stands to reason, since the US is the only country that is actually free.

But O'Reilly was wrong. People would still be able to commit mass murder if there were no freedom.


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And what about that “well regulated militia” part of the amendment? It’s overlooked in favor of the second clause, about the right of people to firearms.

I'm all for bringing back the militia. Militiamen would have the right to have Stinger missiles and machine guns among other weapons, and the right to keep them at home.


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President Roosevelt signed the National Firearms Act of 1934, restricting sales of machine guns and sawed-off shotguns — the weapons of choice for violent gangsters.

So I guess this guy wasn't ignorant after all. He was merely lying when he said lawmakers haven't addressed dangerous weapons.


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The Supreme Court, though it ruled 5-4 in the 2008 Heller case that an individual has the right to own a gun unconnected to service in a militia, has left the door open to sensible regulation.

“Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited,” the court wrote in that case. “It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever for whatever purpose.”

Strict Scrutiny for the win!

Although anytime you hear a gun banner use dogwhistles like "sensible" you know they are going to propose a civil rights violation.


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But it was also a no-brainer to restrict people on terrorism watch lists from buying guns, as was proposed after the Orlando slaughter of 49 people last year.

No, that was a horrendous civil rights violation.


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It failed.

Of course it did. Americans are not going to allow liberals to violate our rights.


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A healthy democracy, reflecting the outrage of its citizens and the common-sense will of the majority, would have done right by the Orlando victims in a heartbeat.

Violating people's rights doesn't do right by anyone.


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But we’re no longer a healthy democracy, thanks to the cancer that has grown out of the Constitution.

The only cancer we are facing is the cancer of liberalism.
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oralloy
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 09:08 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
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Adam Schiff‏Verified account @RepAdamSchiff 21h21 hours ago
At urging of @NRA, Congress gave the gun industry an immunity from liability no other product enjoys. The bill I’m introducing repeals that:

This is a bill that deserves the support of everyone.

Not a chance. We are not going to allow our freedom to be abolished.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 09:09 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

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If Democrats had any balls, they would follow Michael Moore's suggestion and move to repeal the 2nd Amendment.

Well, lookie here, right in today's NYT:
Repeal the Second Amendment


Good. Let's hope Dems heed the call.

The 2nd Amendment is the problem for those who wish to see far more restrictions on gun ownership than exist today. Laws can be passed in Blue States and cities, but eventually, they can also end up before the Supreme Court and be taken down for violating the 2nd Amendment.

If enough Americans feel as you do, the Constitution can be changed so why isn't anyone making a serious attempt to do so?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 09:48 am
@oralloy,
A lot of talk about Kennedy retiring, but I don't know how sound any of it is.

Replacing him with another like Gorsuch will help, but you're right that we also need one of the liberal judges to vacate their seat. Two of them are far too young to retire and the others will never do so willingly. I'm not about to hope for the death of any human being simply because they are liberal, so it's up to fate or God, (if one believes he involves himself in such things). I don't spend a lot of time thinking about the makeup of the Court. It will happen or it won't. I did all I could by voting for Trump, and at least in that area, it didn't disappoint.

Still have at least three more years...a lot of different things can happen.

Cycloptichorn
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 10:11 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
The liberals currently on the court will die in their seats before they retire and give Trump the opportunity to **** up our country any further. And they're right to do so.

Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 10:13 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

hightor wrote:

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If Democrats had any balls, they would follow Michael Moore's suggestion and move to repeal the 2nd Amendment.

Well, lookie here, right in today's NYT:
Repeal the Second Amendment


Good. Let's hope Dems heed the call.

The 2nd Amendment is the problem for those who wish to see far more restrictions on gun ownership than exist today. Laws can be passed in Blue States and cities, but eventually, they can also end up before the Supreme Court and be taken down for violating the 2nd Amendment.

If enough Americans feel as you do, the Constitution can be changed so why isn't anyone making a serious attempt to do so?


That column was written by no Liberal, but instead by Bret Stephens, who is Conservative. He also happens to be correct that the 2nd amendment was a pretty big error on the part of the founding fathers, who couldn't have foreseen how our current country would have turned out.

The process of amending and changing the Constitution is nearly impossible to achieve, certainly can't be done in today's polarized environment. That's why people aren't making a serious attempt to do so, on either side.

Cycloptichorn
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 10:31 am
@Cycloptichorn,
I'm sure you're right because it's precisely what I suggested would happen.

Thanks for the support.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 10:33 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
I mean, nobody's always wrong.

Cycloptichorn
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Fri 6 Oct, 2017 10:44 am
@Cycloptichorn,
I'm well aware of who Stephens is and normally I agree with much of what he writes, but I'm not, therefore, obligated to agree with him on everything he writes, and I don't agree with much of what he has written about the 2nd Amendment

I am however very much in favor of his calling for those who have a real problem with the 2nd Amendment to make the effort to either repeal or rewrite it.

Obviously, I don't think there's much of a chance they will be successful but at least they would be putting their money and political positions where their lamenting mouths are. However, there is even less of a chance that they will make the attempt. Your self-righteous representatives in DC are cowards. Isn't it worth a House or Senate seat to at least try to prevent another of these mass killings?


I would think that those of you who believe the 2nd Amendment is responsible for so many innocent deaths would be demanding they make the effort. Almost impossible? On this one yes, but why not try?

If enough Americans agree with them, it will happen. It's the way it's supposed to work and if it does work as it should and the 2nd Amendment is repealed or rewritten, I won't be happy, but I'll certainly accept it as the will of the people.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 10:47 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Why waste political capital picking a fight that's not winnable? I'm a pragmatist, not an ideologue.

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If enough Americans agree with them, it will happen.


Now, why go breaking your (admittedly short) streak of being right about stuff, by writing something stupid like this? It's simply not true and never has been. We have a whole ton of issues that 'enough Americans agree' on, that still aren't happening and aren't likely to ever happen. Not the least of which being Gun Control issues - we don't even need to do anything about the 2nd Amendment to pass a lot of gun-control laws, and ones that enjoy Supermajority support in our country across a large number of polls.

Cycloptichorn
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Fri 6 Oct, 2017 12:02 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Oh ye of little faith in the American people.

Then why haven't those laws been passed, and so many that have, been overturned?

Keep on trying though. You're batting 1.000

ehBeth
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 12:06 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
We have a whole ton of issues that 'enough Americans agree' on, that still aren't happening and aren't likely to ever happen.


you don't even have the president most people voted for

America's definitely not a majority rules kind of country
 

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