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Cycloptichorn
 
  4  
Fri 6 Oct, 2017 12:08 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Then why haven't those laws been passed, and so many that have, been overturned?


Well, the simple answer is that politicians have taken advantage of our extreme polarization to avoid doing so, in order to please small parts of their base. For example, increased and mandatory background checks on gun and ammo purchases. Approved by anywhere from 70-85% of our citizens across ALL polling. But the GOP would die before pushing it because that 15-30% that opposes it is intensely concentrated among their activist base, and they would lose badly if they tried to push this.

Intensity of support among small groups overwhelms broad public agreement almost every time. You could just as easily use examples that point towards the Democratic party - support for a 20-week ban on abortions is pretty wide-spread, but the activist base that doesn't want any such thing is incredibly intense for the Democrats.

Or maybe tax raises. The voting public has LONG supported raising taxes on the wealthy. I mean, they really support this and have for pretty much the last three decades. And yet, the GOP constantly pushes the opposite despite the fact that their own voters ALSO largely support raising taxes on the wealthy.

C'mon man be intelligent when you post things, you shouldn't need these basic things explained to you

Cycloptichorn
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Fri 6 Oct, 2017 12:17 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
It is a question of priority.

If it was really important for someone that a 20-week ban on abortion was enacted, they would never vote for a Democrat. Similarly, if gun-control was very important to someone they wouldn't vote Republican.

Elections are better indicators of voter priorities than polls.
Cycloptichorn
 
  3  
Fri 6 Oct, 2017 12:44 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I mean, that's exactly what happens today.

You're basically claiming that all issue polling is wrong, because polarization and single-issue voters prevent legislation from passing. That's a stupid thing to claim and you only do so because your argument falls apart unless we accept that as true.

Cycloptichorn
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 12:49 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
[quote="Finn dAbuzz"If it was really important for someone that a 20-week ban on abortion was enacted, they would never vote for a Democrat. Similarly, if gun-control was very important to someone they wouldn't vote Republican. [/quote]I suppose that's because you only can (really) choose between two parties ... and because you don't have real other priorities (at least in example).

Since more than 15 years, we've got an app here, called Wahl-O-Mat ("Vote-O-Meter")
This voting advice application quizzes its users on various topics (38 at the last federal election). The result gives you an idea, which program of the parties was the closest to your ideas.
All 33 parties - among them 9 "established parties" = already with lawmakers in state and federal parliaments - on the election ballot across Germany, bar the Magdeburg Garden Party in Saxony-Anhalt, provided their input and authorised their policy stances.

Baldimo
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 12:54 pm
@ehBeth,
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America's definitely not a majority rules kind of country

We never really have been. If so, then there are a lot of laws that have been passed by the majority that were over turned by either the courts or by a lack of true defense for the intentions of the majority.

CA Prop 187 is always the one that comes to mind. I'm pretty sure you or any left of center poster here on A2k wouldn't agree with the voters of the proposition.
Cycloptichorn
 
  3  
Fri 6 Oct, 2017 01:01 pm
@Baldimo,
CA voter here. While I don't agree with the voters of that time, they passed the ballot initiative fair and square; the problem was that it was ruled unconstitutional, not that it didn't reflect the will of some silent majority in the state.

Cycloptichorn
blatham
 
  3  
Fri 6 Oct, 2017 01:11 pm
Quote:
Elise Foley‏Verified account
@elisefoley
Trump told Hispanic crowd at the WH that “you have” a wonderful president in Mexico. Does he think he’s talking to Mexican citizens?
10:00 AM - 6 Oct 2017

This is becoming the least funny cartoon I've ever seen.
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Baldimo
 
  -2  
Fri 6 Oct, 2017 01:20 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
CA voter here. While I don't agree with the voters of that time, they passed the ballot initiative fair and square; the problem was that it was ruled unconstitutional, not that it didn't reflect the will of some silent majority in the state.

The will of the people was never completely upheld in the court battle. The Governor of the state at the time didn't pursue further defense of the law or he would have taken it to the SC and had it ruled on, but he didn't because he didn't believe in the will of the people... Gray Davis failed the voting public, you wonder why people don't trust and vote in our system?
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Fri 6 Oct, 2017 01:21 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Good idea
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tsarstepan
 
  3  
Fri 6 Oct, 2017 01:27 pm
Quote:
Earlier this week, John Hudson reported that the firing of Tillerson would trigger the exodus of two other Trump cabinet officials. Hudson’s source, he wrote, “expressed confidence in Tillerson’s status due to a so-called ‘suicide pact’ forged between Defense Secretary James Mattis, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, and Tillerson, whereby all three cabinet secretaries vow to leave in the event that the president makes moves against one of them.”

Is Trump About to Trigger a Cabinet ‘Suicide Pact’?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 02:01 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Quote:
CA voter here. While I don't agree with the voters of that time, they passed the ballot initiative fair and square; the problem was that it was ruled unconstitutional, not that it didn't reflect the will of some silent majority in the state.

The will of the people was never completely upheld in the court battle. The Governor of the state at the time didn't pursue further defense of the law or he would have taken it to the SC and had it ruled on, but he didn't because he didn't believe in the will of the people... Gray Davis failed the voting public, you wonder why people don't trust and vote in our system?


On the contrary; there was an almost zero chance that the 9th circuit would EVER have approved the appeal - they signaled this through early statements on the case - so dropping it saved us a significant amount of money.

Good news though! Our citizens had a change of heart, and we've removed every trace of Prop 187 from our legal code. Root and branch.

Cycloptichorn
wmwcjr
 
  0  
Fri 6 Oct, 2017 02:14 pm
@blatham,
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He’s argued that the more Christian South needs to secede and form a new Biblical nation.

Historically, more lynchings have occurred in the South -- i.e., "the more Christian South" -- than in the rest of the United States. Truly a shameful episode in the history of Christendom. (For the record, I learned this simple fact from an online article by Rod Dreher, a conservative; and I speak not as an unbeliever, but as a Christian.)

In other words, if I were black, I would be wary of living in this "new Biblical nation."

ehBeth
 
  2  
Fri 6 Oct, 2017 02:16 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

We never really have been.


tell the person Cyclo was responding to

I'm not the one who thinks majority rules in the US
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Baldimo
 
  -1  
Fri 6 Oct, 2017 02:25 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
Good news though! Our citizens had a change of heart, and we've removed every trace of Prop 187 from our legal code. Root and branch.

Cycloptichorn

The CA state debt has shown that... Tell me again why "The Govenator" was elected? I lived in San Diego from 1990ish until 2000 when I moved home to CO.
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blatham
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 03:57 pm
@wmwcjr,
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Rod Dreher, a conservative;

Yes. He's not insane.
wmwcjr
 
  0  
Fri 6 Oct, 2017 04:41 pm
@blatham,
That's right. Smile

Isn't it strange and ironic that today we find neo-Confederates in the party of Lincoln? They hate him. WWLS (What would Lincoln say?)
blatham
 
  3  
Fri 6 Oct, 2017 04:58 pm
@wmwcjr,
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Isn't it strange and ironic that today we find neo-Confederates in the party of Lincoln?
For much of US history, the present situation was reversed with the racists in the Dem party. But the civil rights movement sure changed that.
Quote:
In American politics, the southern strategy was a Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters in the South by appealing to racism against African Americans.[1][2][3] As the Civil Rights Movement and dismantling of Jim Crow laws in the 1950s and 1960s visibly deepened existing racial tensions in much of the Southern United States, Republican politicians such as presidential candidate Richard Nixon and Senator Barry Goldwater developed strategies that successfully contributed to the political realignment of many white, conservative voters in the South to the Republican Party that had traditionally supported the Democratic Party.[4] It also helped push the Republican Party much more to the right.[4]

Wikipedia - "Southern strategy".

This appeal to racist sentiments for GOP electoral gains is still in place and at this particular moment is again very extreme.
blatham
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 05:04 pm
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IN NEW LAWSUIT, CORPORATIONS BAND TOGETHER TO STOP CONSUMERS FROM BANDING TOGETHER
A COALITION CONSISTING of the preeminent national business lobby, several financial services trade groups, and over a dozen business organizations in Texas have banded together — the way individuals might in a class-action lawsuit — to force the federal government to allow them to block class-action lawsuits.

Eighteen groups representing thousands of corporations and banks filed the lawsuit against the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau last Friday in federal court in Dallas. Oddly, they did not attempt to individually resolve the dispute through an arbitration process, which they’ve consistently said yields speedier and better results for those wronged. “Arbitration gives consumers the ability to bring claims that they could not realistically assert in court,” the lawsuit reads.

But for corporations, banding together in courts apparently presents a better option.
Intercept

Once again, a rising attempt to drain the swamp where the swamp is perceived to be citizens.
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reasoning logic
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 05:05 pm
@wmwcjr,
Quote:
Historically, more lynchings have occurred in the South -- i.e., "the more Christian South" -- than in the rest of the United States.



Quote:
I speak not as an unbeliever, but as a Christian.)


Is this your way of confessing lynchings?
blatham
 
  2  
Fri 6 Oct, 2017 05:37 pm
I trust this is obvious to all.
Quote:
Moms Demand Action‏Verified account @MomsDemand 9h9 hours ago
“This move on bump stocks is an attempt by the NRA to stop a broad public debate on guns before it really begins."
 

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