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def matches the profile of most gun over life people I know

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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Trump colluded with the Russian to win the presidency

I don't care about "collusion"; I'd just like to know what the top people in the campaign were discussing (other than orphans) during the many meetings they had with Russian businessmen and government representatives. No one can accurately assess the influence of all the combined factors which led to the Trump victory, but there are enough reasonable explanations without resorting to "collusion".

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GW Bush used his influence to get out of the Vietnam War

He wouldn't have had to "use" anything. Sons of the wealthy and politically powerful often receive "dispensations" from onerous tasks which fall upon the backs of the less fortunate. Not much a conspiracy issue as far as I can see.

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GW Bush and Dick Cheney outed Valarie Plamme

I don't know that much about this one but my gut reaction would be that Bush and Cheney were busy enough with other stuff and if anyone "outed" anyone it would have been someone in or allied with the intelligence community.

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@Cycloptichorn,

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This entire line of attack on the IRS by Conservatives was bullshit. All along. There was no systematic persecution of Republican/Conservative groups by the IRS at all.

The fact that they persecuted a few token liberals does not change the fact that they systematically targeted conservatives.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Trump colluded with the Russian to win the presidency

As for this one, it's not confirmed yet publicly but almost certainly true.

Not very likely.

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Jared and Ivanka tRump have recently transferred the government eMails they received and sent on personal accounts to tRump corporate servers after they had received requests from the Congressional Government Oversight Committee to preserve all these eMails in situ.

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@BillW,

How can private companies be held accountable to preserve ‘official government records’? I don’t think they can legally be safe stewarts of official government records and I know for absolute certainty that federal employees cannot conduct non personal for profit or non profit private business on government phones, computers, emails, fax or telegram (you can be fired with ease and you should be).

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@oralloy,

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The fact that they persecuted a few token liberals does not change the fact that they systematically targeted conservatives.

First a liberal group got a tax exempt status they didn't deserve, because they were political and not informational. When hundreds of Patriot groups then applied at once for the same status, the IRS decided to start checking too make sure all these groups actually qualified. They decided to give the Patriot groups the tax exempt status they did not deserve anyway.

Only conservatives can get a tax exempt status granted they plainly don't deserve and still spend the next several years whining, pouting , and moaning about it. Then they wonder why nobody is outraged.

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@Blickers,

Those groups do and did deserve tax exempt status.

And people are outraged. We need a special prosecutor to investigate and prosecute the crimes of the Obama Administration. Let's send these people to prison.

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@oralloy,

These groups do not deserve the tax-exempt status since they are political organizations whose purpose is a putting forth political messages. The tax exempt status is for social services organizations who might endorse a bill here or there, but whose main purpose and efforts are to provide some kind of services-feeding the hungry, helping the disabled, etc. When was the last time you saw a Patriot organization organize and staff a soup kitchen?

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@hightor,

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That's disingenuous.

That's your opinion. You don't state why you think it is.

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It's not as if the DNC was shoveling money into the Trump campaign or had operatives working to insure his election.

Harlan Hill, DNC veteran of dozens of election campaigns let that be known on live television here on election day in Australia's commentary session, with our political veteran, Laurie Oakes. He stated that supporting Trump's candidacy would save the DNC millions in campaign costs.

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You're jumping the gun here. I said that two or three more ultra-conservatives on the Supreme Court may do the job.

Not at all. You're avoiding the truth, because it doesn't fit with your agenda. You're demonstrating cognitive dissonance. If an inexperienced reality TV star can buy a presidency, democracy is dead and buried under a pile of cash, in the US or A.

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US President Donald Trump may be planning to abandon the Iran nuclear deal, according to US media reports.
If he fails to certify the accord, Congress will decide whether to re-impose economic sanctions on Iran. Mr Trump has until 15 October to decide.
Opposition to the deal was a major part of his campaign last year.
Posing for photographers with military leaders on Thursday, he said this was "the calm before the storm" but refused to give further details.
There was speculation his comments might refer to heightened tensions with North Korea, but the New York Times says "people who have been briefed on the matter" believe he means Iran.
Mr Trump was seen at the White House with his wife Melania, as well as military leaders, after Thursday's meetings but before dinner together. Gesturing at the people around him, he asked the waiting press if they knew "what this represents".
"Maybe it's the calm before the storm," he said.
When reporters pressed him on what storm he was referring to, he would only say: "You'll find out."
He had earlier told his top defence officials he expected them to provide "a broad range of military options... at a much faster pace" in future.
US media say the president will announce next Thursday that he will not be certifying the deal on the grounds it does not serve US security interests.
This would leave Congress 60 days to decide whether to re-impose sanctions on Iran.
But some of his top advisers, such as Defence Secretary James Mattis, appear to back the deal.
Speaking in the White House's Cabinet Room, President Trump said: "The Iranian regime supports terrorism and exports violence and chaos across the Middle East."
"That is why we must put an end to Iran's continued aggression and nuclear ambitions. You will be hearing about Iran very shortly."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41520842

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@Builder,

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You don't state why you think it is.

Yes I do. It's because you use the word "support" in a misleading way.

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He stated that supporting Trump's candidacy would save the DNC millions in campaign costs.

I guess that proves that the DNC wasn't helping to fund Trump's campaign then.

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If an inexperienced reality TV star can buy a presidency, democracy is dead and buried under a pile of cash, in the US or A.

Well, no. He was legitimately elected, as he won enough states to secure a clear majority in the electoral college. My point is that we still have functioning institutions which help to preserve the rule of law and the rights of the people. But a heavy majority of paleo or corporate conservatives on the US Supreme Court would change that.

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@hightor,

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Yes I do. It's because you use the word "support" in a misleading way.

Be more specific. How was I misleading about it? You're sharing an opinion, again, and expecting it to ride as fact. That's not how online debate works.

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I guess that proves that the DNC wasn't helping to fund Trump's campaign then.

You hazard a guess and then claim a guess as proof of something? Pardon?

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Well, no. He was legitimately elected, as he won enough states to secure a clear majority in the electoral college.

Then why are you openly attacking the process that saw him elected, rather than attacking the corrupted process that saw HRC installed as the DNC candidate?

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My point is that we still have functioning institutions which help to preserve the rule of law and the rights of the people.

I have several online friends from the US of A who don't happen to have pink skin, who would gladly tell you that you're full of **** on that point, my friend.

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@glitterbag,

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How can private companies be held accountable to preserve ‘official government records’? I don’t think they can legally be safe stewarts of official government records....(snip)

I guess you missed the memo where the pentagon lost 16 trillion dollars. How can a government department that "misplaces" the total national debt be held accountable, idjit?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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If Democrats had any balls, they would follow Michael Moore's suggestion and move to repeal the 2nd Amendment.

Well, lookie here, right in today's NYT:
Repeal the Second Amendment

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It's also worth pointing that this is an absolutely terrible suggestion. You don't change the culture with laws.

I'm not so sure though — aren't lots of laws in place because society believes they reflect deep cultural values? Laws against taking one's own life, laws which prescribe capital punishment for certain crimes — they have a dubious effect on the commission of various actions but everyone knows why they're in place; the particular actions are anathema with respect to western traditions. The "free sex culture" argument is an interesting (and possibly unique) example. We had laws which attempted to regulate instinctive personal behavior because we felt those laws reflected our understanding of "morality". Those laws failed — they were unenforceable and eventually seen as unnecessary. They no longer shaped or reflected reality. But I don't think requiring a permit to own a pistol or outlawing open carry laws would be unenforceable. The NRA leadership is actively working to change the way firearms are perceived in this country — even though many of its members support reasonable gun laws. I believe there is still a majority in favor of gun restrictions — unlike issues such as gay marriage or decriminalized cannabis, the liberalization of gun laws is not reflective of a broad change in our culture. They are the result of an active campaign by a powerful special interest group.

But yeah, I'm fine with repealing the Second Amendment. And let's repeal Taft-Hartley while we're at it.

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@hightor,

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But yeah, I'm fine with repealing the Second Amendment. And let's repeal Taft-Hartley while we're at it.

But you're not "fine" with answering questions, or fronting for your own claims, right?

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@Builder,

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That's not how online debate works.

Fine. I'm a lousy debater. You win.

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You hazard a guess and then claim a guess as proof of something?

How would funding Trump's campaign save them money?

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...rather than attacking the corrupted process that saw HRC installed as the DNC candidate?

A majority of registered Democratic voters preferred Clinton over Sanders.

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I have several online friends from the US of A who don't happen to have pink skin, who would gladly tell you that you're full of **** on that point...

Anecdotal evidence is nice. The point is, laws guaranteeing certain civil rights
are currently on the books. Unfortunately many must engage in litigation in order to exercise these rights.

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...my friend.

I'm not your "friend".

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@Builder,

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But you're not "fine" with answering questions, or fronting for your own claims, right?

Yeah, that's right. Once again, you win.

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@hightor,

So you're just another troll in a pretty suit.

Cheers, big ears.

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@hightor,

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Anecdotal evidence is nice. The point is, laws guaranteeing certain civil rights
are currently on the books. Unfortunately many must engage in litigation in order to exercise these rights.
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So children have some rights, if they can afford to play a round in the court system?

...my friend.

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I'm not your "friend".

I'm not your doormat either, dickhead.

Keep making BS claims on this thread, and expect more attention.

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