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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
ehBeth
 
  4  
Wed 4 Oct, 2017 12:59 pm
@maporsche,
National Review by way of FB. That's a source people should pay attention to Laughing
Olivier5
 
  2  
Wed 4 Oct, 2017 01:01 pm
@cameronleon,
cameronleon wrote:

Poor Kimmel, he ignores that what happens in Las Vegas stays in Las vegas...


Quote:
Vermont newspaper blasted after publishing crude Las Vegas cartoon after mass shooting
by Jody Jameson, Contributor
October 4, 2017

A small newspaper in Vermont received backlash from the public after it published on Monday a tactless political cartoon about the Las Vegas massacre, the deadliest in U.S. history.

The Bennington Banner issued an apology for the crude cartoon Tuesday, which depicted a pile of tangled bodies with the caption “Whatever happens in Vegas…” 

According to the paper’s statement, the cartoon was supposed to be a play on the tourism slogan “Whatever happens in Vegas stays in Vegas” – meaning even a massacre like this won’t do much about gun control.
Olivier5
 
  4  
Wed 4 Oct, 2017 01:07 pm
@Olivier5,
Elsewhere on the cartoon front:

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/22051123_1304197956370084_4798360793490316797_o.jpg?oh=acf7864b8d0c85d7a101eb688a2079e7&oe=5A77AF62
ehBeth
 
  5  
Wed 4 Oct, 2017 01:07 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
According to the paper’s statement, the cartoon was supposed to be a play on the tourism slogan “Whatever happens in Vegas stays in Vegas” – meaning even a massacre like this won’t do much about gun control.



true enough

we certainly see here that it doesn't matter how many people are killed, there are people who value guns above human life - they don't deny it.
ehBeth
 
  3  
Wed 4 Oct, 2017 01:10 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Quote:
do you believe that the carnage from these types of multi-casualty events is just a necessary sacrifice American society has to make?


You seem to think there is an answer to these mass shootings but I don't believe there is.

I don't see how anything short of a straight out gun ban would solve these problems and as you know I do not support a gun ban.


this pretty much says guns over lives

slightly prettied up

but not much
Olivier5
 
  4  
Wed 4 Oct, 2017 01:16 pm
@ehBeth,
https://www.cartoonmovement.com/depot/cartoons/2017/10/03/got_the_t_shirt___niels_bo_bojesen.jpeg
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blatham
 
  5  
Wed 4 Oct, 2017 02:00 pm
Deficits are vile, fiscally destructive and only those of weak character or who wish to see America fail can support them.

Hold on a minute. I've changed my mind. They are necessary.
Quote:
Mick Mulvaney, Donald Trump’s far-right budget director, has developed a reputation over the years as an ardent deficit hawk. Six years ago, for example, during the debt-ceiling crisis he helped create, Mulvaney said he’d rather see the United States default on its debts than pass a clean debt-ceiling hike. As the South Carolina Republican put it at the time, we “desperately need … structural change that stops Congress from continuing to spend a bunch of money we don’t have.”

More recently, he told Politico that he got involved in politics in part because he disapproved of the Bush/Cheney administration’s big budget deficits.

Obama out of office. Trump into office.
Quote:
In recent years, Mulvaney and others from the Republican’s “Tea Party” wing – is that still a thing? – said their main focus was on balancing the budget and eliminating the deficit. It was the issue that helped drive their entire “movement,” and it became the knee-jerk rationale to oppose every progressive proposal, regardless of popularity or merit, that came from the Obama White House and/or congressional Democrats.

The deficit, they said, was a threat to the nation’s stability. To add to the national debt, they said, was to maliciously punish our children and grandchildren, dooming them with a burden they’ll never escape.

And yet, we now have Mick Mulvaney declaring that the United States actually “needs to have new deficits” as a way of spurring economic growth.
Steve Benen

And Steve, with a nod to Richard Nixon, adds
Quote:
That’s fantastic news. Congratulations, America, we’re all Keynesians now.


I love these people. I really do. It's their steadfastness in principles. And their integrity.


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blatham
 
  5  
Wed 4 Oct, 2017 02:08 pm
Quote:
Trump: ‘I Have Total Confidence’ In Tillerson, NBC Made Up ‘Moron’ Story
TPM headline

Well, as for myself, I'm going to believe Trump here because of his long and well-known history of truth-telling and his consistent care with facts. I have no reason to presume he, of all people, might be a liar.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Wed 4 Oct, 2017 02:18 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
1836 (or even earlier) is recent for you? (there had been some rifles with pistol grips auctioned in the last few years - manufactured based on the inventions of Henri-Gustave Delvigne [see: Exposé d'un nouveau système d'armement pour l'infanterie (1836)])

Their widespread adoption among firearms is much more recent than that.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Wed 4 Oct, 2017 02:20 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
That's a great argument.

I know. Always go with the facts, I always say.


hightor wrote:
I'm sure the friends and family of dead innocent bystanders will understand and accept it readily.

Does it matter? The truth is the truth, and that's what counts.


hightor wrote:
Of course. You can shoot a gun with your eyes closed for that matter.

Exactly. Any kind of gun can be fired incorrectly.


hightor wrote:
Pistol grips encourage inaccurate shooting by people who aren't interested in taking the time to aim properly.

The mere possibility of holding a gun incorrectly is not encouragement to do so.

More to the point, the mere possibility that someone can hold a gun wrong is not a good reason for banning the gun.
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wmwcjr
 
  0  
Wed 4 Oct, 2017 02:21 pm
@Olivier5,
Hate to say this; but according to polls, Trump is winning. Sad But I still like the cartoon. Smile
oralloy
 
  -4  
Wed 4 Oct, 2017 02:22 pm
@revelette1,
Rolling Stone Magazine wrote:
"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," NRA chief Wayne LaPierre infamously said after Newtown.

But the shooter in Las Vegas, 64-year-old Stephen Paddock, was on the 32nd floor of a casino building, a quarter-mile away from the bulk of his victims down in a concert venue on the ground. Unless the NRA plans on advocating for carry licenses for F-16s or surface-to-surface missile systems, it's hard to see how the "good guy with a gun" argument is going to fly this time.

Good grief. I know logic and liberalism are two L words that don't get along with each other. But really.

Does the fact that there are some car accidents that can kill you even if you wear your seatbelt, mean that you shouldn't wear your seatbelt?

This is the same sort of non-thinking that led to the abandonment of Duck and Cover, an abandonment which will likely cost a lot of American lives once North Korea starts slinging nukes at our cities.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 4 Oct, 2017 02:24 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
Rosanne Cash: Country Musicians, Stand Up to the N.R.A.

It should come as no surprise that freedom haters hate freedom.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 4 Oct, 2017 02:26 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
What is it about my post that you don't understand?

I understood the entire thing. It was unfortunately completely untrue.


Olivier5 wrote:
The NRA is guilty of empowering murderers.

No they aren't.


Olivier5 wrote:
Instead of doing the next mass murder in a school or in a concert, let's have it at an NRA meeting. That will make a lot of good.

I know that liberals really hate freedom, and really really hate anyone who opposes their demented ideology, but enough of liberal violence. It's getting about time to start hauling all the liberals down to Guantanamo I think.
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Wed 4 Oct, 2017 02:27 pm
Quote:
US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has denied rumours of a rift with Donald Trump, amid media reports he had called the president a "moron".
"I'm not going to deal with petty stuff like that," he said, without denying the alleged remark.
Mr Tillerson called a news conference after an NBC report said he had considered resigning earlier this year.
He said his commitment to Mr Trump's White House was as strong as ever, and he would stay on as long as needed.
NBC had alleged, citing White House sources, that Mr Tillerson had to be talked out of resigning in July.
It said he had been advised by Vice-President Mike Pence "on ways to ease tensions" with the president, the report added - something which Mr Tillerson denies.
"The vice president has never had to persuade me to stay as secretary of state, because I have never considered leaving this post," he said.
"I'm new to Washington, I have learned there are some who try to sow dissension to advance their own agenda by tearing others apart in an effort to undermine President Trump's own agenda. I do not and I will not operate that way."
Just before Mr Tillerson spoke, Donald Trump took aim at their report, tweeting: "NBC news is #FakeNews and more dishonest than even CNN. They are a disgrace to good reporting. No wonder their news ratings are way down!"
Speaking in Las Vegas later, where he was visiting victims of the mass shooting, Mr Trump said he it was a "totally phony story... made up by NBC" and he had "total confidence in Rex."
State department spokeswoman Heather Nauert also later refuted the "moron" remarks, even though the secretary himself had not.
"The secretary did not use that type of language to speak about the president of the United States," she said. "He does not use that language to speak about anyone."
She added that Mr Tillerson was a "tough old bird" and daring those who want him to resign: "go ahead and keep pushing - because that will only strengthen his resolve."
When asked if the president had instructed him make a statement, Mr Tillerson said he not spoken to Mr Trump since the allegations surfaced.
The vice president also issued a statement denying any discussion took place concerning the secretary of state's departure.
CNN, however, said it had confirmed the "moron" remark with its own source. A CNN White house reporter tweeted that Mr Trump "was aware that Tillerson had referred to him as 'a moron' this summer."
But the president followed up with his own tweet, saying NBC's story had been "totally refuted" and that "they should issue an apology to America".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41502533
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 4 Oct, 2017 02:30 pm
@cameronleon,
cameronleon wrote:
My impression is that with 8 years in power, president Obama did nothing but opening his big mouth towards gun regulation.

He did his very best to defeat us. He even destroyed the Democratic Party in the process of trying. It's the reason why Trump is our president right now.

We were just too powerful for him though. His assault on the NRA was like a political version of Pickett's Charge.
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blatham
 
  3  
Wed 4 Oct, 2017 02:30 pm
One of these men is a sociopath lacking empathy with other humans who are suffering. See if you can spot him.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLS0uUvXkAAokud.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLS0wsqW0AAeKyB.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLS0yolW4AEzqg0.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLS00OpWAAAC_p7.jpg

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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 4 Oct, 2017 02:31 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
this pretty much says guns over lives

slightly prettied up

but not much

I think he was saying that guns don't actually cost lives, a position that I concur with.

But if guns did cost lives, I say that freedom is still worth it.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Wed 4 Oct, 2017 02:34 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Elsewhere on the cartoon front:
http://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/22051123_1304197956370084_4798360793490316797_o.jpg?oh=acf7864b8d0c85d7a101eb688a2079e7&oe=5A77AF62

Last I heard ticket sales were down and fans were loudly booing the players when they protest.

People just don't like cop-killing thugs.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Wed 4 Oct, 2017 02:41 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:
Kimmel is offering possible solutions to gun violence in general,

Nonsense. All he did was call for violating people's civil rights for the fun of it.
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