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@oralloy,

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They are refusing to salute the flag properly during the national anthem.

Big deal. It's not as if they were jumping up and down and laughing hysterically. Kneeling in silence is just as respectful.

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These people are protesting for the right of black people to murder police officers.

They're not — but assuming they were I guess it'd only be fair since police officers apparently have the right to shoot black people with impunity.

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@hightor,

oralloy says:

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My logic is fine. These BLM scumbags are protesting for the right of black people to murder police officers. It is perfectly reasonable to condemn them for it.

NO. THEY ARE NOT. Oralloy in his delusion is completely inventing'" fact"'
and totally lying about what they really say. But then that's what orally usually does..

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I'm no fan of the Russians, as I am sure is clear. I was amused, though, and gratified when Sergei Lavrov described President Plump and Emperor Kim as school children.

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"Together with China we'll continue to strive for a reasonable approach and not an emotional one like when children in a kindergarten start fighting and no-one can stop them," he said.

Story at Foreign Policy-dot-com

(Quote of Lavrov is from Newsweek.)

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@oralloy,

Oral,

You know that piece of cloth is not why men gave their lives.

They gave their lives for what that piece of cloth represents.

Freedom of speech is one of the pillars that holds us up.

Precisely what these men are exercising today. It's as American as apple pie.

Many, many VETS support #takeaknee.

If you really want to respect veterans, fight against needless wars, and fight for decent healthcare for them when they return.

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@hightor,

You know, worrying that corruption will win is a bad reason to capitulate.

Do something.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

Lash wrote:
Hillary Clinton practically promised to escalate us to boots on the ground in Syria. She's more hawkish than Trump, more neocon than Bush.

There is much that I disagree with Hillary about. But this particular policy of hers was a good thing. It is good when America stands up and does the right thing.

Lash wrote:
She was just better at hiding it with more acceptable language, although she did enjoy bringing young black men to heel, those little super-predators.

This is another thing that Hillary was right about. Those criminal scumbags were shooting up our cities and needed to be stopped.

I rest my case about Hillary Clinton.

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@MontereyJack,

I understand your argument and considered it carefully.

I decided I would not play this game anymore.

I'm satisfied the result. The election has kicked off the important changes that I thought it would. It was a big risk and did hold short-term setbacks. I think we're coming out of it.

Still thought impeachment proceedings would have started by now.

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This thread is about the fat boy in the White House, it is not about Clinton, despite Sofia Lash Goth's decades long obsessive hatred.

Just say no to topic diversion.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

This thread is about the fat boy in the White House, it is not about Clinton, despite Sofia Lash Goth's decades long obsessive hatred.

Just say no to topic diversion.

Snood brought Clinton up. I was happy talking about Trump.

Wrong again.

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@hightor,

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@Lash,
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Ah. Limousine liberals. I see.

Curious how our Bernie-the Socialist supporter has such facility with right wing conceptions/cliches/talking points.

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@blatham,

Well, some really believe that only those who are poor can express an opinion about social inequality.

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@hightor,

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@oralloy,
How are any of these people "disrespecting" the flag? Seems to me that the continued existence of serious racial injustice and race-based economic disparity "disrespects" the country itself.

I'd go further and ask the question, "What is wrong with disrespecting a national symbol?"

Last weekend, I was at a high school reunion where some idiotic MC decided that attendees should all stand and sing the Canadian anthem. I neither stood nor sang. I feel no obligation to abide by coercive, mandated and thoughtless group behaviors and I find good reasons to refuse to cooperate in such things.

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@Setanta,

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I'm no fan of the Russians, as I am sure is clear. I was amused, though, and gratified when Sergei Lavrov described President Plump and Emperor Kim as school children.

Me too.

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@Walter Hinteler,

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Well, some really believe that only those who are poor can express an opinion about social inequality.

Yes. They are impressively stupid people.

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Some more notes on "political correctness".

Modern right wing thought/media is awash in notions and claims which hold that liberals have attempted to alter or manipulate people's thinking through the "policing" of language. This "thought police" talking point obviously has its origin in Orwell's 1984 and Animal Farm but my sense of its use in right wing ideology/propaganda is that it gained its modern derogatory function as a means to oppose (through insult) the emerging feminist movement, particularly in the 80s, with its concentration on how language could perpetuate unreflective and sexist modes of thought. It became, in the right wing mind, "politically correct" to use terminology such as "womankind".

So let's take a look at a typical example of how manipulation of language for political ends is used on the right presently.

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Numerous mentions of “climate change,” “greenhouse gasses” and other phrases related to global warming have been found to be altered or deleted from another portion of the Environmental Protection Agency’s website, according to a new environmental watchdog report.

At the beginning of President Trump's term, the EPA’s SmartWay program, designed to help businesses looking to lower their impact on the environment find ways of doing so when shipping goods, told visitors that “many companies monitor their carbon emissions and establish inventories or overall 'carbon footprint' to help decision makers identify the best strategies for reducing climate impacts."

But by May, those descriptions had been replaced by more generalized terms. Instead of tracking carbon emissions, firms could monitor “fuel consumption.” Instead of shrinking their carbon footprint, companies could address their "environmental footprint." Instead of reducing climate impacts, they were told they could “improve sustainability.”

WP

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Kraft and Tom Brady were big Trump fans. Looks like they've come to their senses.

If a scumbag breaks with Trump because Trump supports police officers while the scumbag wants police officers to be murdered, that says a lot about the scumbag.

MontereyJack wrote:

Stevie Wonder knelt in solidarity in concert. Looks like it's now spread to major league baseball, as well as basketball and football.

It's a shame that there are so many scumbags out there.

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@hightor,

hightor wrote:

Big deal. It's not as if they were jumping up and down and laughing hysterically. Kneeling in silence is just as respectful.

Not when the point of the kneeling is a call for black people to be allowed to murder police officers with impunity.

hightor wrote:

oralloy wrote:
These people are protesting for the right of black people to murder police officers.

They're not

They are arguing that police officers should not be allowed to fire in self defense when a black person tries to murder them. And if a police officer does fire in self defense when a black person tries to murder them, they argue that the police officer should be punished for having defended themselves.

Quite clearly the only possible goal of preventing police officers from defending themselves from murderers is to ensure that the murders will be successful.

hightor wrote:

but assuming they were I guess it'd only be fair since police officers apparently have the right to shoot black people with impunity.

Police officers are not shooting black people with impunity. They are only firing in self defense when black people try to murder them.

And no, it would not be fair to allow black people to run around murdering police officers.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

oralloy wrote:
These BLM scumbags are protesting for the right of black people to murder police officers. It is perfectly reasonable to condemn them for it.

NO. THEY ARE NOT.

When BLM scumbags call for police to be prevented from firing in self defense when a black person tries to murder them, and call for police to be punished if they do defend themselves from a black murderer, they are calling for blacks to be able to murder police officers with impunity.

MontereyJack wrote:

Oralloy in his delusion is completely inventing'" fact"' and totally lying about what they really say.

Nothing is made up here. BLM scumbags really are calling for police officers to be prevented from firing in self defense if a black person tries to murder them, and for police officers to be punished if they dare to defend themselves.

MontereyJack wrote:

But then that's what orally usually does..

Everything I've said is factual, just as always.

But as is usually the case, liberals find facts to be highly inconvenient.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

Oral,
You know that piece of cloth is not why men gave their lives.

There are veterans who actually did fight and die to defend a physical flag.

Lash wrote:

They gave their lives for what that piece of cloth represents.

Freedom of speech is one of the pillars that holds us up.

Precisely what these men are exercising today. It's as American as apple pie.

Oh I'll agree that freedom of speech gives these scumbags every right to advocate the murder of police officers.

But the President and I both have the right to denounce them as scumbags for supporting the murder of police officers.

Lash wrote:

Many, many VETS support #takeaknee.

They should be ashamed of themselves for taking such a despicable position.

Lash wrote:

If you really want to respect veterans, fight against needless wars, and fight for decent healthcare for them when they return.

There are relatively few needless wars. WWI might count. But usually if a war happens it is because someone has a pretty strong reason to fight over something.

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@Lash,

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I rest my case about Hillary Clinton.

Those are points in her favor. It is good that she wants America to do the right thing. It is good that she favors cracking down on violent criminals.

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