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revelette1
 
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Wed 20 Sep, 2017 07:59 am
@blatham,
Quote:
But beyond those seriously huge blind spots in modern right wing thinking, there is the other aspect where attacks on "identity politics" carry another prime notion - that there is something wrong or illegitimate in the liberal urge to protect and elevate the disadvantaged whether through gender or race or religion or wealth, etc. For example, working towards increasing the proportion of women in positions of leadership - that's merely "identity politics". Seeking to ensure that less well off blacks are facilitated in casting a vote, again, merely "identity politics".


I agree, sadly it has been successful.
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Lash
 
  1  
Wed 20 Sep, 2017 08:32 am
A reasonably well-organized primer on neoconservative history and behavior.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.globalresearch.ca/neocon-101-what-do-neoconservatives-believe/6483/amp

The preamble of the article:

“Neocons” believe that the United States should not be ashamed to use its unrivaled power – forcefully if necessary – to promote its values around the world. Some even speak of the need to cultivate a US empire. Neoconservatives believe modern threats facing the US can no longer be reliably contained and therefore must be prevented, sometimes through preemptive military action.

Most neocons believe that the US has allowed dangers to gather by not spending enough on defense and not confronting threats aggressively enough. One such threat, they contend, was Saddam Hussein and his pursuit of weapons of mass destruction. Since the 1991 Gulf War, neocons relentlessly advocated Mr. Hussein’s ouster.
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Pre-emptive, sometimes Byzantine or Machiavellian military action goes hand in hand with upholding American hegemony.
maporsche
 
  2  
Wed 20 Sep, 2017 08:52 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

A reasonably well-organized primer on neoconservative history and behavior.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.globalresearch.ca/neocon-101-what-do-neoconservatives-believe/6483/amp

The preamble of the article:

“Neocons” believe that the United States should not be ashamed to use its unrivaled power – forcefully if necessary – to promote its values around the world. Some even speak of the need to cultivate a US empire. Neoconservatives believe modern threats facing the US can no longer be reliably contained and therefore must be prevented, sometimes through preemptive military action.

Most neocons believe that the US has allowed dangers to gather by not spending enough on defense and not confronting threats aggressively enough. One such threat, they contend, was Saddam Hussein and his pursuit of weapons of mass destruction. Since the 1991 Gulf War, neocons relentlessly advocated Mr. Hussein’s ouster.
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Pre-emptive, sometimes Byzantine or Machiavellian military action goes hand in hand with upholding American hegemony.



Always with the labels. Label. Label. Label. Yet you reject any attempt to label yourself.

...I know what I'm getting you for christmas.....
Lash
 
  1  
Wed 20 Sep, 2017 08:57 am
@maporsche,
We do have words to describe things.

It's sort of a long-standing human thingie.
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InfraBlue
 
  3  
Wed 20 Sep, 2017 09:54 am
@ehBeth,
She's a Trumpian through and through.

Look at her spin this morning on Trump's UN speech.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nikki-haley-defends-trumps-rocket-man-speech-united/story?id=49972722
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Lash
 
  2  
Wed 20 Sep, 2017 10:01 am
@maporsche,
I guess my labels are:

mom, teacher, American, female, Independent, liberal, heterosexual, writer, reader, sister, aunt, Bernie bro, progressive, film aficionado, grandma!!!

LOL. I'm already laughing about the ones you may like to add.

I can't imagine why you think I'm trying to avoid labels; I mean, any more than anyone -- including you-- would want to avoid being reduced to one word.

You don't think the words neoconservative or realpolitik should be discussed? Or just by me. Is that because I'm a woman? Because you disagree with my political opinions?

Why do you take issue with me discussing terms?

Oh wait. I remember. When I say things, it makes you want to hate those things.
maporsche
 
  3  
Wed 20 Sep, 2017 10:04 am
@Lash,
I think labeling yourself is fine; you're free to define who you are or at least who you think you are.

It's labeling other people that I have a problem with. You do that all the time. You do that to me and others on this board. You don't allow me to label you, at least not without challenge.
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Lash
 
  -2  
Wed 20 Sep, 2017 10:04 am
FYI, I was watching the president of Iran while I was on the phone, and did he just call us neo-colonialists?

Waiting for my president to come up with an Elton John song title to zing him with.
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Setanta
 
  5  
Wed 20 Sep, 2017 11:45 am
I am amused that Sofie Lash Goth has also just labeled herself a Trump supporter.

Sofie Lash Goth wrote:
Waiting for my president to come up with an Elton John song title to zing him with.


I suppose we should be grateful for the small mercy of that unlooked for candor on her part.

That lying, cheating, puerile ego-maniac is certainly not my president.
snood
 
  4  
Wed 20 Sep, 2017 11:53 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

I've been thinking of approaching city council here in my small BC community to insist on a local bylaw that would mandate at least one Muslim Santa in every mall during the Consumer Fest period.

The mandate absolutely must include.that Santa has very dark skin, a kente clothe turban, and a prayer blanket on which to kneel and face west on his frequent prayer breaks.
wmwcjr
 
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Wed 20 Sep, 2017 12:56 pm
@Lash,
We agree (not surprisingly).

I'm not at all surprised that the Dixie Chicks received death threats. David French, a leading writer for National Review who is a "Never Trump" conservative, received many death threats during the election campaign and, if I'm not mistaken, felt compelled to hire a bodyguard. I'm sure that Rush Limbaugh has received death threats (which is not to say I'm a fan). It seems like anyone who expresses his convictions from a public forum can expect to receive threats from cranks or worse. Needless to say, it's a real shame.
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revelette1
 
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Wed 20 Sep, 2017 01:09 pm
Mueller Seeks White House Documents Related to Trump’s Actions as President (NYT)

Quote:
WASHINGTON — Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, has asked the White House for documents about some of President Trump’s most scrutinized actions since taking office, including the firing of his national security adviser and F.B.I. director, according to White House officials.

Mr. Mueller is also interested in an Oval Office meeting Mr. Trump had with Russian officials in which he said the dismissal of the F.B.I. director had relieved “great pressure” on him.
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oralloy
 
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Wed 20 Sep, 2017 01:36 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
It is also important to keep in mind that these statues were erected after the end of reconstruction, in the Jim Crow era, and their explicit purpose was to show blacks "their place" in that society. Contemporary conservatives, and Finny is a wonderful example of this, assiduously ignore that.

That was hardly the reason for the statues. The statues were put up because Confederate war veterans were beginning to die and people wanted to honor their war heroes.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 20 Sep, 2017 01:39 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
yet only slightly more than a decade later, the constitutional convention decided that a black slave was only 3/5 of a person.

Only within the context of the question of whether a slave owner with 10,000 slaves would be allowed to cast 10,001 votes on election day.
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oralloy
 
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Wed 20 Sep, 2017 01:41 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
As my list proves, some mayors and City Councils made those decisions, bowing to threats of violence or at least unilaterally- without input from the people.

You think that's ok.

I do not.

Using the Confederate statues clouds the issue, I think. Imagine something you value is whisked away. Imagine public sentiment is not on your side. I don't think you can, but I think it's incredibly important to try. I'm thinking of the Neimoller poem.

Unilateralism and mob opinion shouldn't be our methods.

This attack on southern culture will end when a truck full of good old boys drives up to DC and pumps a few clips of .50 BMG into that big statue of MLK.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Wed 20 Sep, 2017 01:45 pm
LOL!

Good one!
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 20 Sep, 2017 01:48 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
If the repubs can't help Trump pretend that he's moving his legislative agenda forward (because they can't agree among themselves), then Pilosi and Schumer are very happy to help Trump... Why, that allows them to ridicule the house and senate republicans, but it looks shortsighted to me. The right thing to do long term is to isolate Trump, not work with him.

No. The right thing to do is: Democrats need to accept that the American people reject them and their demented ideology, and they need to work with the person who we have elected to be our leader.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 20 Sep, 2017 01:50 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
I think Trump believes he is using a strong-arm tactic against the GOP, effectively showing them if they can't get their **** together, he'll go across the aisle.

I think the Dems believe they just bent Trump and the GOP across an Oval Office couch.

I'm sure you're right. Democrats believe all sorts of goofy things that are contrary to reality.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 20 Sep, 2017 01:51 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
If the Senate had not held up Obama's nomination for justice Garland, then it would have been ruled constitutional, but since they didn't and Trump won and Gorsuch is the newest Justice, it would have most likely been ruled unconstitutional if by some kind of weird happenstance it would have gone to the Supreme Court. It is basically political on the question of it's constitutionality.

Keep in mind that the Democrats try to nominate justices who ignore the Constitution, while the Republicans try to nominate justices who enforce the Constitution.
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