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old europe
 
  7  
Wed 6 Sep, 2017 12:37 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Save it for someone who cares


Trumpism in a nutshell.
blatham
 
  3  
Wed 6 Sep, 2017 12:45 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
I'm a Trump voter and all I want is for the Law to be executed.
You've capitalized Law. That's swell. So you want environmental Law executed?
blatham
 
  5  
Wed 6 Sep, 2017 12:52 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Re: old europe (Post 6498190)
Save it for someone who cares

This in response to a post that is factual, coherently stated, without internal contradictions and which lays out precisely why your position, as stated, is untenable.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Wed 6 Sep, 2017 12:52 pm
@blatham,
And what about that certajn sheriff?
Cycloptichorn
 
  4  
Wed 6 Sep, 2017 12:53 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
I'm a Trump voter and all I want is for the Law to be executed.
You've capitalized Law. That's swell. So you want environmental Law executed?


Wonder how he will feel about anti-corruption and election tampering laws being executed later this year or next. Not to mention money laundering.

Cycloptichorn
blatham
 
  4  
Wed 6 Sep, 2017 12:55 pm
@ehBeth,
I still have hair like that. But now it's in my nose and on my ears.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  4  
Wed 6 Sep, 2017 12:56 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

And what about that certajn sheriff?


They'll say they were against that as well, but it doesn't affect their support of Trump. This is a rhetorical device they have stolen from Trump himself: repeatedly claim to be against something while in reality supporting that thing via their actions.

They will do this about literally every issue they can, mostly because they think people are too stupid to figure out what they're doing.

Cycloptichorn
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maporsche
 
  5  
Wed 6 Sep, 2017 12:57 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Wanting to stop illegal immigration is not the same as wanting to reduce legal immigration.


Maybe not, but this administration is actively doing BOTH.
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blatham
 
  4  
Wed 6 Sep, 2017 01:00 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
And what about that certajn sheriff?
Not to mention all those others he would/will pardon in a heartbeat - regardless of lawlessness - if he deems them allies.
maporsche
 
  4  
Wed 6 Sep, 2017 01:01 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
You are playing into the hands of the Big Business Bastards you seem to oppose if you are arguing we must have illegal immigration to grow our economy.


1) I don't oppose big business. I oppose certain practices of big business, I'll admit. So do you. So does everyone.

2) I'm arguing that we must grow our population to grow our economy. It's really the only feasible way to achieve the kind of growth we want. American's aren't having enough babies anymore, I'm sure you've heard that. But I get that you don't care...you're one foot in heaven (ok, maybe a toe). Hope you're able to find someone to take care of you when you get into a nursing home; I'm sure as hell not going to.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -3  
Wed 6 Sep, 2017 01:05 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
Prominent Republicans Urge Supreme Court to End Gerrymandering

WASHINGTON — Breaking ranks with many of their fellow Republicans, a group of prominent politicians filed briefs on Tuesday urging the Supreme Court to rule that extreme political gerrymandering — the drawing of voting districts to give lopsided advantages to the party in power — violates the Constitution.

The briefs were signed by Republicans including Senator John McCain of Arizona; Gov. John R. Kasich of Ohio; Bob Dole, the former Republican Senate leader from Kansas and the party’s 1996 presidential nominee; the former senators John C. Danforth of Missouri, Richard G. Lugar of Indiana and Alan K. Simpson of Wyoming; and Arnold Schwarzenegger, a former governor of California.

NYT


None of them are prominent Republicans, except to the NYT, and none of them have any stock in gerrymandering, although Kasich probably benefited from it when he was a congressman.

Quote:
Partisan gerrymandering is almost as old as the nation, and both parties have used it. But in recent years, as Republicans captured state legislatures around the country, they have been the primary beneficiaries. Aided by sophisticated software, they have drawn oddly shaped voting districts to favor their party’s candidates.

In the 1980s, when Democrats had more political power in state legislatures, they were enthusiastic proponents of partisan gerrymandering, Mr. Simpson, the former Wyoming senator, said.

“The Democrats laid the groundwork and set the template, and then Republicans figured they better get cracking, too,” he said.

The two parties’ legal arguments have flipped as their power shifted, Professor Fried said.

“The same arguments, exactly, were made on the other side when Democrats were doing this to Republicans,” he said. “This is a prime example that people don’t mean anything that they say, that all arguments are opportunistic.”


That Democrats don't benefit from gerrymandering as much as Republicans do which is why we don't see amicus briefs in favor of the system being filed by the DNC et al.

This is the nuclear option redux. When Reid pulled the trigger first and started the ball rolling Democrats all argued it had to be done. Power switched and the GOP pulled the trigger a second time and it was the end of Democracy!

Now, once again, Republicans are supposed to be adults and do what's best for the nation. To which I say bullshit!

Old Fart Elder Statesmen are not going to save the nation from the worsening polarization. I don't know what, if anything, will but I sure as hell don't trust Democrats to give up any of they're advantages to make it happen.

blatham
 
  6  
Wed 6 Sep, 2017 01:06 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Yeah. Might be a change in wind direction at that point. An interesting thing to watch with Finn is his surfing of the right wing media's latest memes. In this case, its the resurgent "law and order" bs. Earlier, "snowflake", "trigger", "deep state", etc. A reader knows immediately what finn reads.
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blatham
 
  2  
Wed 6 Sep, 2017 01:09 pm
Just the sort of quality mind one wants up top in a time of emergency.
Quote:
“There’s a new and seems to be record-breaking hurricane heading right toward Florida and Puerto Rico and other places. We’ll see what happens,” Trump said during a meeting with congressional leaders. “We’ll know in a very short period of time, but it looks like it could be something that will be not good. Believe me, not good.”
TPM
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ehBeth
 
  4  
Wed 6 Sep, 2017 01:12 pm
@blatham,
Read something interesting about the Mueller investigation recently. Apparently he's hooked up with some state level investigators. The word is presidential pardons can't be used for state level charges/convictions.

oh ok

Good plan boys (if that's the truth of it).
blatham
 
  3  
Wed 6 Sep, 2017 01:12 pm
It's possible there is a worse human than Kobach kicking about in the US but I wouldn't wager a lot on that.

Quote:
Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach (R) said Wednesday that DACA recipients’ families should be deported alongside them.

“They came in presumably with a parent or parents, and so the correct policy is for us to enforce federal law and deport the whole family to the home country,” he told CNN’s John Berman and Poppy Harlow of the nearly 800,000 undocumented young people protected by DACA, many of whom are now young adults but who came to the United States as children.
TPM
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blatham
 
  3  
Wed 6 Sep, 2017 01:13 pm
@ehBeth,
Yes. From what I've been reading, that appears to be the case. Some people apparently actually do care about the Law.
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blatham
 
  6  
Wed 6 Sep, 2017 01:27 pm
Here's just the latest reason I hope Irma utterly destroys everything Rush Limbaugh owns. And if there is only one death from the storm, let it be him.
Rush Limbaugh’s dangerous suggestion that Hurricane Irma is fake news
maporsche
 
  4  
Wed 6 Sep, 2017 01:31 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Now, once again, Republicans are supposed to be adults and do what's best for the nation. To which I say bullshit!


It's a good thing that none of us can remember the last time republicans were the adults in the room.

Gerrymandering is probably safe for a while.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Wed 6 Sep, 2017 01:36 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
You are playing into the hands of the Big Business Bastards you seem to oppose if you are arguing we must have illegal immigration to grow our economy.


1) I don't oppose big business. I oppose certain practices of big business, I'll admit. So do you. So does everyone.

2) I'm arguing that we must grow our population to grow our economy. It's really the only feasible way to achieve the kind of growth we want. American's aren't having enough babies anymore, I'm sure you've heard that. But I get that you don't care...you're one foot in heaven (ok, maybe a toe). Hope you're able to find someone to take care of you when you get into a nursing home; I'm sure as hell not going to.


So are you arguing that the only way to grow our population is to open our borders to everyone? Are you arguing we must accept illegal immigration? Simple questions.

Oh, and by the way, your sanctimonious presumption about whether or not my caring meets the standard of your enormous heart is all too typical of you. If only we had more maporches in this world, what a wonderful place it would be! (Cue "Imagine") Crying or Very sad
maporsche
 
  5  
Wed 6 Sep, 2017 01:41 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

maporsche wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
You are playing into the hands of the Big Business Bastards you seem to oppose if you are arguing we must have illegal immigration to grow our economy.


1) I don't oppose big business. I oppose certain practices of big business, I'll admit. So do you. So does everyone.

2) I'm arguing that we must grow our population to grow our economy. It's really the only feasible way to achieve the kind of growth we want. American's aren't having enough babies anymore, I'm sure you've heard that. But I get that you don't care...you're one foot in heaven (ok, maybe a toe). Hope you're able to find someone to take care of you when you get into a nursing home; I'm sure as hell not going to.


So are you arguing that the only way to grow our population is to open our borders to everyone? Are you arguing we must accept illegal immigration? Simple questions.


To which I replied: "I'm arguing that we must grow our population to grow our economy. It's really the only feasible way to achieve the kind of growth we want. American's aren't having enough babies anymore, I'm sure you've heard that."

The implication of that statement is that, yes we need to increase immigration to the USA. I'm not saying it should be illegal. I'm suggesting that it should be made legal. Amnesty if you want to call it that. Path to citizenship if you prefer that. If I had it my way, we'd erase all the damn imaginary lines on the whole damn globe...but that won't happen in my lifetime.

Trump, the candidate you support, has cut legal immigration in HALF.


Quote:

Oh, and by the way, your sanctimonious presumption about whether or not my caring meets the standard of your enormous heart is all too typical of you. If only we had more maporches in this world, what a wonderful place it would be! (Cue "Imagine") Crying or Very sad


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