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oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 06:58 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Do I really need to link you to the numerous posts he's made in just the last few days, in which he claims that there's no chance Trump did anything wrong, that none of his associates did either, that they have nothing to fear from State of NY investigation,

Hold on here. I said that I believed that to be the case. I did not state it as an actual fact. I even went so far as to include in my posts an assessment of the situation as it would stand if the alleged wrongdoing were proven to be true.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
and that the whole Mueller thing is a 'Dem witch Hunt?'

Well that's a straight up fact. The Democrats are abusing the law to persecute Trump simply because he does not agree with their demented ideology.

(The characterization "demented" is my personal opinion of their ideology of course.)
oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 06:59 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Oral was called a Nazi because he likes to play the resident board nazi. Whether he really is Nazi or not is anybody's guess. But the proposal to ban the Democratic party is clearly both fascist and a total pipe dream, which is why I say he likes to play the resident board nazi.

No, I was called a Nazi because that's the only way that certain extremists have to defend their weird political ideology.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 07:18 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

Just curious... What is the rule for you "small government conservatives" - Is it "small government unless the big one hits"?


Just curious are you? How cute.

Small government doesn't mean no government, and yes, when the big one hits is when the government should be involved...not with the small ****.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 07:22 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
On the issue of attempting to use a charge of fascism in place of an argument, it is hardly my fault if my interlocutor ignores or cannot understand my argument.

I understood your argument perfectly, thus my devastating rebuttal of that argument.


Setanta wrote:
On the issue of saying someone is a fascist, when they propose outlawing one of the only two viable, national parties--if it looks like a duck, and it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck . . .

The fact that a central pillar of your argument is a proclamation that people are fascists if they disagree shows quite clearly how weak your argument really is.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 07:24 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
I called a spade a spade when I characterized Oralloy as a fascist, given that he is promoting a classic fascist tool of societal control--banning political parties.

It is perfectly reasonable to outlaw a political party when they are committing horrible abuses against innocent people.


Setanta wrote:
In addition, I come here for a variety or reasons, and post in a variety of threads, enjoying quite a few of the people here. Even Oralloy gets out more than you do, and posts elsewhere than the political threads. You, however, come here for no other purpose than to attack people and ideas--and when you cannot find a legitimate basis, you make one up.

My first year here I stayed exclusively in a single thread, the one about the A-bombings (the old, very long one).

If someone comes here mainly because they are interested in political debate, it is reasonable that they would stick to the those threads that draw their interest.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 07:25 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
Am I the only member who saw Orals post about how he thought it was 'fun seeing the fat girl hit by the car',.........but he's not violent?

Are you the only one who missed that I was responding to an equally heartless and cruel post when I said it?

Context is important.
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ossobucotemp
 
  3  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 07:31 pm
@ossobucotemp,
I failed to say that was quite a length of the Mississippi river, in my memory, that got rid of wetlands or maybe did somewhat.
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MontereyJack
 
  8  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 07:31 pm
@oralloy,
One of Hitler's first actions when he took power was to ban all political parties except the Nazis. Oralloy, in clear violation of the Constitution, has repeatedly called for outlawing the Democratic party. He's advocating following the fascist footsteps, no matter what he calls it or what anti-freedom justifications he thinks he has. As far as I can see, that puts him in the fascist fellow-traveler camp.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  3  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 07:39 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

Thank you wmwcjr, I'll send a pm


Beware of glitterbag's pms Bill!
oralloy
 
  -3  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 07:40 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
One of Hitler's first actions when he took power was to ban all political parties except the Nazis. Oralloy, in clear violation of the Constitution, has repeatedly called for outlawing the Democratic party.

Wrong. I have not violated the Constitution in any way.

Further, you are leaving out important context. I am only calling for the outlawing of one specific party, and only because that particular party is committing grave abuses and is a danger to the fabric of the nation.


MontereyJack wrote:
He's advocating following the fascist footsteps, no matter what he calls it or what anti-freedom justifications he thinks he has. As far as I can see, that puts him in the fascist fellow-traveler camp.

Calling people a fascist for disagreeing with you merely shows the weakness of your position.
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wmwcjr
 
  1  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 08:07 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
It's okay. Smile
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Real Music
 
  4  
Thu 31 Aug, 2017 08:28 pm
http://www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-mueller-enlists-the-irs-for-his-trump-russia-investigation

Exclusive: Mueller Enlists the IRS for His Trump-Russia Investigation
Quote:
Special counsel Bob Mueller has teamed up with the IRS. According to sources familiar with his investigation into alleged Russian election interference, his probe has enlisted the help of agents from the IRS’ Criminal Investigations unit.

This unit—known as CI—is one of the federal government’s most tight-knit, specialized, and secretive investigative entities. Its 2,500 agents focus exclusively on financial crime, including tax evasion and money laundering. A former colleague of Mueller’s said he always liked working with IRS’ special agents, especially when he was a U.S. Attorney.

And it goes without saying that the IRS has access to Trump’s tax returns—documents that the president has long resisted releasing to the public.

Potential financial crimes are a central part of Mueller’s probe. One of his top deputies, Andy Weissmann, formerly helmed the Justice Department’s Enron probe and has extensive experience working with investigative agents from the IRS.

“From the agents, I know everyone has the utmost respect for both Mueller and Weissmann,” said Martin Sheil, a retired IRS Criminal Investigations agent.

And he said Mueller and Weissmann are known admirers of those agents’ work.

“They view them with the highest regard,” Sheil said. “IRS special agents are the very best in the business of conducting financial investigations. They will quickly tell you that it took an accountant to nab Al Capone, and it’s true.”

“The FBI’s expertise is spread out over so many statutes—and particularly since 9/11, where they really focused on counterintelligence and counterterror—that they simply don’t have the financial investigative expertise that the CI agents have,” Sheil continued. “When CI brings a case to a U.S. Attorney, it is done. It’s wrapped up with a ribbon and a bow. It’s just comprehensive.”

But the team-up between the IRS and Mueller probe could come with political complications. Mueller has already taken some criticism for the number of Democratic donors on his team. Those critiques intensified yesterday, when word leaked that Mueller was coordinating some of his activities with New York State Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, a long-time Trump adversary.

The IRS, for its part, became a target of conservative ire during the Obama administration for its investigations into Tea Party groups—probes that Republicans called political witch hunts. The complaints about politicized taxmen could begin again, with the IRS joining forces with Mueller.

A spokesman for the special counsel’s office declined to comment for this story.

It’s been widely reported that the special counsel’s team is trying to “flip” Paul Manafort, the president’s former campaign CEO, in hopes he will provide evidence against his former colleagues. Former federal prosecutors tell The Daily Beast one of Manafort’s biggest legal liabilities could be to what’s called a “check the box” prosecution. Federal law requires that people who have money in foreign bank accounts check a box on their tax returns disclosing that. And there’s speculation that Manafort may have neglected to check that box, which would be a felony. This is exactly the kind of allegation the IRS would look into.

These investigations, which are often extremely complex, can take a lot of time. That means the people involved sometimes have to spend significant amounts of money on legal fees. The Daily Beast previously reported that targets of Mueller’s probe—including Manafort—are facing financial strain because of the probe, and that Manafort recently parted ways with the law firm WilmerHale in part because of his financial troubles.

As special counsel, Mueller is subject to the same rules as U.S. Attorneys. That means that if he wants to bring charges against Trump associates related to violations of tax law, he will need approval from the Justice Department’s elite Tax Division. Trump hasn’t yet named his pick to run the division, which is a post that requires Senate confirmation. At the moment, career officials are helming the division.

One former Tax Division prosecutor told The Daily Beast that this could cause trouble for Trump.

“The fact that there is not a senate-confirmed Assistant Attorney General for the Tax Division, and that the Trump people have disregarded it despite warnings as far back as December that they needed to fill the AAG’s spot… shows what a self-created mess the Trump administration has found itself in,” said the former prosecutor, who requested anonymity to speak candidly. “They have no one to keep Mueller and his Brooklyn team honest. They should be concerned about that.”

The former prosecutor said it could have benefitted Trump if he had an appointee in the division as these proceedings unfold—and that he’s now missed that opportunity.

“They could have picked any two people in the world,” he added, “and they picked nobody.”
izzythepush
 
  3  
Fri 1 Sep, 2017 02:38 am
Quote:
Four companies have been chosen to build prototypes for Donald Trump's planned border wall, US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) said.
The four concrete prototypes will be 30ft (9m) long and up to 30ft tall, and will be built in the coming months.
Officials will then spend up to two months testing the walls for tampering and penetration resistance using small hand tools, CBP said.
The four contracts are worth up to $500,000 (£387,000) each.
A continuous wall across the entire southern US border was a key promise in President Trump's election campaign.
The prototypes "will help us refine the design standards" of the eventual wall, acting CBP deputy commissioner Ronald Vitiello said.
"Testing will look at things like the aesthetics of it, how penetrable they are, how resistant they are to tampering, and scaling or anti-climb features."
But he said the officials would stick to small hand tools rather than testing "ballistic kind of things".
The walls will also need to feature cable conduits and other design features for sensors and cameras.
Once the order to start building is given in the next few weeks, the prototypes are expected to be finished within 30 days.
The four companies to which the contracts were awarded are:
Caddell Construction, in Montgomery, Alabama
Fisher Industries in Tempe, Arizona
Texas Sterling Construction in Houston, Texas
WG Yates & Sons Construction in Philadelphia, Mississippi
Mr Vitiello said he did not know if any of the firms had had prior experience in border wall construction.
More than 200 companies are believed to have submitted designs for the proposed border wall.
Four more contracts for prototypes made from materials other than concrete will be announced next week.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41118992
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Blickers
 
  4  
Fri 1 Sep, 2017 04:06 am
@Real Music,
Quote The Daily Beast:
Quote:
This [IRS] unit—known as CI—is one of the federal government’s most tight-knit, specialized, and secretive investigative entities. Its 2,500 agents focus exclusively on financial crime, including tax evasion and money laundering. A former colleague of Mueller’s said he always liked working with IRS’ special agents, especially when he was a U.S. Attorney.

And it goes without saying that the IRS has access to Trump’s tax returns—documents that the president has long resisted releasing to the public.


Trump's done for. Debate has been raging for months about whether one of the three Republican controlled Congressional committees empowered to get tax returns on an individual will get Trump's tax returns. So far none have attempted to try-but now with the IRS joining the investigation, that barrier has been breached.

Trump knows that an examination of those tax returns will lead investigators right to the people Trump has been laundering Russian money for, which is why he so steadfastly refused to reveal his tax returns to the public.

It's time for Trump to start setting up his quick move to Russia to avoid prosecution.
hightor
 
  5  
Fri 1 Sep, 2017 05:06 am
The 1990s Gave Us the Trump Teens

Quote:
(...)
What’s more, a Trump presidency would never have been possible had the ’90s not normalized new depths of voyeurism, mudslinging and hardball politics. That decade had its dark-arts tacticians, such as Roger Ailes, Rudolph Giuliani and Newt Gingrich, and the recent election had its equivalents, such as, well, Roger Ailes, Rudolph Giuliani and Newt Gingrich. Bill Clinton’s base warmed to his naughtiness, neediness and narcissism; Mr. Trump’s did precisely the same.
(...)
Ever since, it has been hard to miss the 1990s underpinnings of the Trump Teens. The tabloidism. The gutter talk. The kinky dossiers. (Remember the X-rated Starr report?) Had America not absorbed the sheer skeeviness of that decade, how else would it have become comfortable electing a thrice-married man who ran beauty contests and graced casinos, one of them with a strip club, with his name — a man accused of a string of unwanted sexual advances and assaults (all of which he denied)?
(...)
True, Mr. Trump lost the popular vote. But America has received what much of the nation had been asking for since the 1990s. In the electoral reckoning, civility had been trumped by hostility, respect by chauvinism, tolerance by bigotry, truth by fabrication and deceit, privacy by exposure, modesty by exhibitionism, achievement by fame, shame by shamelessness, and bridges by walls.


NYT
Olivier5
 
  2  
Fri 1 Sep, 2017 06:25 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Olivier5 wrote:
What seems to be the problem with the Democratic Party?

Why do you ask questions that you already know the answer to?

Because I don't know the answer... Duh!

Quote:
The Democratic Party is maliciously abusing the legal process to harm innocent people merely because those people disagree with the Democrats' demented ideology.

What process? And who would those mysterious "innocent people" be? You mommy?
blatham
 
  4  
Fri 1 Sep, 2017 06:43 am
@Walter Hinteler,
From your link, Walter
Quote:
A reporter asked White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders about this later Wednesday, and her answer was … something:

Quote:
He met with a number of state and local officials who are eating, sleeping, breathing the Harvey disaster. He talked extensively with the governor, who certainly is right in the midst of every bit of this, as well as the mayors from several of the local towns that were hit hardest. And detailed briefing information throughout the day yesterday talking to a lot of the people on the ground. That certainly is a firsthand account.


No, it's not. That's a *second*hand account — the very definition of one, in fact.

These people lie about everything. I hope they keep that up.
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blatham
 
  3  
Fri 1 Sep, 2017 06:51 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
buzzterm and a trigger

I don't think I have to point out the irony of these two terms in such intimate collaboration.
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blatham
 
  4  
Fri 1 Sep, 2017 07:01 am
@fbaezer,
Quote:
German? The language of the world's leading democracy?
It even sounds sweet from the mouth of my (German speaking) grandaughter.

Actually, a German dialect was spoken around our house pretty constantly as we grew up. Though Grandmother and Grandfather spoke 4 or 5 languages, that dialect was their first language. I'm really quite fond of the sound of it.

Aside from that, we're going to need you to send a cheque to help defray the costs of The Wall.

ps... lovely to see you
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blatham
 
  3  
Fri 1 Sep, 2017 07:03 am
@maporsche,
That's really very good, isn't it.
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