Godwin himself has said his law no longer applies. These people are Nazis, they're carrying swastikas and murdering women, and anyone who tries to ameliorate that is no better.
These people are Nazis, they're carrying swastikas and murdering women, and anyone who tries to ameliorate that is no better.
You're the hyprocrite's hyprocrite, right? The Coalition of the Willing invaded two nations on false pretenses, murdered over a million civilians, including women and children, destroyed the infrastructure of a nation so badly, another four million fled as refugees, and after pilfering the gold and silver, left the place to be over-run by anyone with the means to do so.
Your neo-nazis are pussies compared with the UK/US war machine.
What is it with you and your endless lies and name-calling?
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oralloy
-6
Mon 28 Aug, 2017 03:06 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
The Coalition of the Willing invaded two nations on false pretenses,
What country other than Iraq was invaded on false pretenses? Afghanistan started the war. Libya was a reaction to Kadaffy's massacre of innocents. Syria was a reaction to the threat of Islamic State.
And as for Iraq, who cares why we invaded? We felt like breaking something Islamic, and Iraq was nice and convenient. "We felt like doing it" is all the reason we need to invade one of the little countries.
Builder wrote:
murdered over a million civilians, including women and children,
Collateral damage is hardly murder, and the number is no more than 50,000 (counting all the wars together).
Builder wrote:
destroyed the infrastructure of a nation so badly, another four million fled as refugees,
That's what they get for resisting our military.
Builder wrote:
and after pilfering the gold and silver,
We've never done any such thing.
Builder wrote:
left the place to be over-run by anyone with the means to do so.
Not true at all. We did much to leave Iraq and Afghanistan with defensible democracies.
Their squandering of our gift shows that we were right to not bother with such an effort in Libya. Clearly destroying the offending government and then pulling out and leaving wreckage behind is the proper way to go about things.
Builder wrote:
Your neo-nazis are pussies compared with the UK/US war machine.
Maybe so, but our war machine is a force for good.
Neo-nazis are horrible people who lie about innocent people and then try to harm those innocents because of the lies.
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lmur
6
Mon 28 Aug, 2017 04:20 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Anyone so desperate for attention that they would lie about having heart bypass surgery isn't someone whose word can be trusted on anything.
I recall that exchange and you are misconstruing what happened. I also recall that Finn took full responsibility for his (admittedly) ghoulish attempt at humour which backfired spectacularly when a number of people thought he was serious. I also believe you are fully aware of this.
I have him on ignore. I heard that he'd claimed to have heart bypass surgery from the replies. I never knew it was all a lie until FM posted as much last week.
As Finn is on ignore I'm unaware that Finn took full responsibility or tried to pass it off as a joke, but that doesn't make it any less disgusting.
Absolutely. Tolerating Nazis to demonstrate our open minds will reduce us to missing oysters.
From:
"The time has come," the walrus said,
"To talk of other things
Of shoes and ships and sealing wax
Of cabagges and kings
And while the sea is boiling hot
And wheather pigs have wings
Kaloo Kalay no work today
We're cabbages and kings"
To:
I, I weep for you I, oh excuse me
I deeply simplisize
For I've enjoyed you company
Oh much more than you realize
"Little oysters, little oysters?"
But answer there came none
And this was scarcly all because
They'ed been eaten
Every-one
I never knew it was all a lie until FM posted as much last week.
Sarcasm is hardly a lie.
izzythepush wrote:
or tried to pass it off as a joke,
He didn't try to pass it off as anything. It was a well-deserved sarcastic response to a pompous poster's pompous pomposity.
izzythepush wrote:
but that doesn't make it any less disgusting.
Nothing even remotely disgusting about it.
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izzythepush
4
Mon 28 Aug, 2017 07:00 am
@emmett grogan,
The future teaches you to be alone
The present to be afraid and cold
"So if I can shoot rabbits then I can shoot fascists."
Bullets for your brain today
But we'll forget it all again
Monuments put from pen to paper
Turns me into a gutless wonder.
And if you tolerate this then your children will be next
And if you tolerate this then your children will be next
Will be next, Will be next, Will be next.
Gravity keeps my head down
Or is it maybe shame
At being so young and being so vain.
Holes in your head today
But I'm a pacifist
I've walked La Ramblas but not with real intent.
And if you tolerate this then your children will be next
And if…
First you abhor, then you tolerate, then you accept, then you embrace.
This is a good progression until you're dealing with Nazis.
I had a Nazi friend. We had a lot of interesting conversation. My dog and my kids loved Carlisle. My wife not so much. He was a man of action - he was known by law enforcement as the "professor" because he burnt down a number of buildings including the Black Panther headquarters in Indianapolis without leaving clues.
He did die in prison a few years ago. I thought the world of Carlisle, but hated his Nazi-ism. About everything except race and his reactions to it, he was a good man. He ran for Sheriff of Madison County, NE just before he was revoked for a small, dumb gun charge, and and almost got the badge.
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izzythepush
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Mon 28 Aug, 2017 09:13 am
Quote:
US President Donald Trump should not have pardoned a former Arizona sheriff who took a hard line on immigrants, the top Republican in Congress has said.
Paul Ryan, speaker of the House of Representatives, spoke out after Mr Trump pardoned Joe Arpaio, convicted last month of criminal contempt.
"The speaker does not agree with the decision," Mr Ryan's spokesman, Doug Andres, said.
"Law-enforcement officials have a special responsibility to respect the rights of everyone in the United States. We should not allow anyone to believe that responsibility is diminished by this pardon."
Other prominent critics of the pardon from within Mr Trump's Republican Party include Arizona Senator John McCain and former Florida Governor Jeb Bush.
Arizona's other Republican senator, Jeff Flake, also condemned the move as did Democrats and human rights campaigners.
Anyone who describes anti fascists as thugs has more than a little Nazi inside them. Finn has shown where his sympathies lie and they're not with those protesting against the swastika.
His mask is slipping, he's going into meltdown which is why he's adopting such a patronising tone.,
Anyone so desperate for attention that they would lie about having heart bypass surgery isn't someone whose word can be trusted on anything.
KKK and Nazi's inherently have biased and discriminatory views. Both have a violent past although the Holocaust was on a much more broader scale of terror and inhumanity. Antifa views are good up to a point(the point where they deny the other group the right to speak) but their methods are just as bad as today's Nazis (not talking of the Holocaust Nazis) and the KKK and other white supremacy groups. Look at what happened at Berkley just yesterday. Saturday there were peaceful protest against white supremacy groups but Sunday at Berkley was shameful.
I don't believe Finn has any Nazi sympathy. However, I do think he doesn't understand what the white supremacy groups are about right now. Just look at their title they had for themselves at Charlottesville. "Unite the Right." I think they are trying mainstream extremist discriminatory views by using the word "right" as though the republican right all have those views when that is really not the case. If I was a republican I would make sure to state in no uncertain terms that I do not hold those views or support them in any way. The whole monument issue was almost not relevant and I think was just used by Nazi/KKK/white supremacy groups to get regular republican conservatives to associate with them.
It is scary times right now and not helped by violence which the antifa uses in their fight.
I just wish all this condemnation we have been hearing from a lot of republicans would amount to something. I know blatham and even I have expressed the view that Pence would make a more effective right wing conservative president so it is better to keep him in place. But I think the political aspect of it has become not as important as keeping such a president as our (US) president. He needs to go. Period.
As someone unaffected by American Domestic Politics I'd welcome the change. I'd much prefer Pence's to Trump's finger on the button. I don't know if I'd feel the same living in America.
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georgeob1
-2
Mon 28 Aug, 2017 10:50 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
More on DeVos
Quote:
But you don’t have to be in the educational establishment to be worried about where this is going. The DeVos nomination is a triumph of ideology over evidence that should worry anyone who wants to improve results for children.
Nonsense. We have addressed this before, and I think you already know this is false. Overall charter schools perform a good deal better thant their public school counterparts and the difference is especially pronounces among minority communities. Newly opening charter schools typically have no trouble filling their classrooms as parents flock to escape the ideology ridden and union dominated failing public schools their liberal masters have prescribed for them.
Just what "ideology" does your source believe De Vos is pushing ? Perhaps it is that parents of children should have a stronger voice in the education of their children than the American Federation of Teachers or the NEA. That is hardly a strange or radical idea.
You appear to be the chief purveyor of sappy ideology here. Moreover it often appears that you do so, unencumbered by any real knowledge of the subjects or their history about which you quote others and pontificate so assiduously
Overall charter schools perform a good deal better thant their public school counterparts and the difference is especially pronounces among minority communities.
Hmmm...I haven't seen any studies that would make this statement look like an unqualified fact.
The biggest study I'm aware of says that most kids in charter schools do about the same as public schools or slightly worse.
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Setanta
3
Mon 28 Aug, 2017 11:13 am
Between the devil and deep blue sea--Pence is a (more or less) successful politician and a fundamentalist loony. Perhaps he would be a better candidate to "have his finger on the button," but the thought of someone with some (although not much) legislative savvy in the office is chilling.
Trump is an empty headed jerk and opportunistic attention whore. He can do immense harm just in the quest to be the biggest dick with the most stuff.
Pence is a religious zealot who believes gays can and should be prayed straight. He can do immense harm trying to make us a Christian nation like the good ole days - whatever the Beaver Cleaver hell that is.
I don't see a clear advantage for the other 70% of the country with either of them (or Ryan) as president.
Are we honestly going to compare the outcomes from a group (public schools) who are forced to take all kids, and another (charter) that is selective and regularly denies those with language barrier or learning disabilities? Talk about apples and oranges.
As for your second and third paragraphs, let me be one to state that many parents don't have the first ******* clue about how to educate their own kids, as they themselves are poorly educated. I do NOT believe they know better than a group of professionals on the topic. Why would anyone think they would know better? You know more about how your engine works than you mechanic? More about medicine than your doctor? C'mon.
In my experience, those who believe as DeVos does mostly want federal funding for religious education. They dress their arguments up in other terms, but that's the end goal.
