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Walter Hinteler
 
  5  
Tue 22 Aug, 2017 06:14 am
@blatham,
German police confiscate thousands of Donald Trump-shaped ecstasy pills

You'll certainly notice that this is clearly anti-Trump, since nothing about the Clinton-shaped pills is mentioned!
emmett grogan
 
  2  
Tue 22 Aug, 2017 06:15 am
@glitterbag,
I think the only reason she made it on B'way is because she didn't need a mike. She Didn't ever seem to me to ever really sing, at least not well.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  5  
Tue 22 Aug, 2017 06:15 am
@Lash,
I just gave the source (better: corrected it) of your unmarked quote.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Tue 22 Aug, 2017 06:15 am
@Lash,
I just gave the source (better: corrected it) of your unmarked quote.
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blatham
 
  5  
Tue 22 Aug, 2017 06:19 am
@lmur,
That is bloody hilarious. Thank you.
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emmett grogan
 
  4  
Tue 22 Aug, 2017 06:26 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Emmett challenged me to find instances of Hillary getting a pass for things Trump is doing.


Nope.

I wanted to know if you really believed that somehow your imagined sins of Hillary really mounted to the level of Trump's money laundering for Russian oligarchs or ability to set loose racist forces in our nation.

Mrs Clinton is not my favorite person, but she clearly has the credentials to be President. Trump certainly proves a bumbling amateur can't handle the office.

I might not have been happy with her parts agenda if she had been elected (the Trumpish parts: deregulation, privatization of prisons, military, Social Security, Veteran Affairs) but I do know the nation would not be the shambles it is now. And how much more shaky it'll be when Congress addresses the budget next month.

emmett grogan
 
  2  
Tue 22 Aug, 2017 06:29 am
@lmur,
Cracked me up. Your old man was from the UK?
emmett grogan
 
  2  
Tue 22 Aug, 2017 06:31 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
German police confiscate thousands of Donald Trump-shaped ecstasy pills


Now if we could only get them to confiscate Trump........
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blatham
 
  5  
Tue 22 Aug, 2017 06:37 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
With a promise to "make partying great again," the orange pills go for a premium online.

And you've certainly got a point there that the fake media story mentions nothing at all about the Clinton-shaped product promoted with the motto, "it takes a pill(age)"
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blatham
 
  6  
Tue 22 Aug, 2017 06:42 am
Yesterday, Donald Trump, ignoring audible warnings from his aides, put his hand on a hot stove.
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Lash
 
  -3  
Tue 22 Aug, 2017 06:48 am
@emmett grogan,
If you have proof re "money laundering for Russian oligarchs," I'd like to see it; although, I unfortunately have a LOT of related money/Russian collusion/corruption stories starring the media's most favored heroine as well.

I do hate the weak comments Trump had about the recent statue protests. Imagine what fun the media would have had with him had he said some of the incendiary dreck Clinton said. People would have burst into flames!

Having the media on virulent attack 24/7 against one figure, while downplaying racist comments and behavior in others is a pretty potent factor in this race to the bottom.

I agree Trump shouldn't be in office.
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blatham
 
  5  
Tue 22 Aug, 2017 06:59 am
Seriously. What the **** is wrong with this guy?
Quote:
President Donald Trump “sent a message of resolve and commitment” Monday evening with his announcement that he will deploy more U.S. troops to Afghanistan, Vice President Mike Pence said Tuesday morning.
Politico
Is he really this stupid or does he have reason to believe his audience is this stupid? I don't have an answer for this.
blatham
 
  5  
Tue 22 Aug, 2017 07:05 am
What is Afghanistan about? Changing the narrative. That's it. Nothing more.
emmett grogan
 
  2  
Tue 22 Aug, 2017 07:07 am
@blatham,
Its worse than stupid.

Somehow he believes that sending 4,ooo more troops will get us something more in Afghanistan than 4,ooo more targets and uncounted more civilian collateral damage (ie: death and misery).

He claims he will win, but he doesn't ever say what he will end up with after the win except it will be specifically "not nation building".

He cannot grasp that the Taliban are Afghans and that he is the one leading invaders with a foreign ideology.
blatham
 
  4  
Tue 22 Aug, 2017 07:18 am
@emmett grogan,
Quote:
Somehow he believes that sending 4,ooo more troops will get us something more in Afghanistan
I'm not at all sure he believes that. I think it is far more likely that he doesn't care at all.
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Lash
 
  0  
Tue 22 Aug, 2017 07:19 am
I think the Deep State is overwhelmingly committed to military action; they pull very effective media strings (Congressional, Pentagon, CIA, FBI strings, too obviously), and you have their pawns advocating, suggesting, championing and spinning positively War, its glory, and people eat it up.

Watch where support comes from.

(Of course, unpopular politicians can be singled out from the crowd of war fans later for indignant excoriation, as if they alone waged war.)
lmur
 
  3  
Tue 22 Aug, 2017 07:19 am
@emmett grogan,
Nope. Irish (as am I).
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blatham
 
  5  
Tue 22 Aug, 2017 07:31 am
@Lash,
Quote:
I think the Deep State is overwhelmingly committed to military action;
Who or what are you referring to here with the term "deep state"? What's their motivation?
Lash
 
  -2  
Tue 22 Aug, 2017 09:23 am
I'm responding to a challenge that interests me. Is Trump guilty of things that Clinton got a pass on?

People who can't tolerate posts on a message board, and seek solace in inappropriate, sexualized personal attacks that are NSFW seem to be cowardly to me. And a bit sexually abusive...



Just an opinion.

Lash
 
  -1  
Tue 22 Aug, 2017 09:40 am
@blatham,
The Deep State is a shadow government that has its own agenda with tentacles reaching through all our branches of government and departments.

It began as primarily the military industrial complex. Eisenhower warned about it. Do you know what portion of the American GDP is spent on them?

I'm having difficulty believing that you are unaware of this.

Here's this:

http://www.npr.org/2011/01/17/132942244/ikes-warning-of-military-expansion-50-years-later

I'll bring a bit more to tie it together. Probably over a couple of days.

Excerpt:


In his final speech from the White House, President Dwight D. Eisenhower warned that an arms race would take resources from other areas -- such as building schools and hospitals.
Bill Allen/AP
On Jan. 17, 1961, President Dwight Eisenhower gave the nation a dire warning about what he described as a threat to democratic government. He called it the military-industrial complex, a formidable union of defense contractors and the armed forces.

Eisenhower, a retired five-star Army general, the man who led the allies on D-Day, made the remarks in his farewell speech from the White House.

As NPR's Tom Bowman tells Morning Edition co-host Renee Montagne, Eisenhower used the speech to warn about "the immense military establishment" that had joined with "a large arms industry."

Here's an excerpt:

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist."
Since then, the phrase has become a rallying cry for opponents of military expansion.


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Eisenhower gave the address after completing two terms in office; it was just days before the new president, John F. Kennedy, would be sworn in.

Eisenhower was worried about the costs of an arms race with the Soviet Union, and the resources it would take from other areas — such as building hospitals and schools.

Bowman says that in the speech, Eisenhower also spoke as someone who had seen the horror and lingering sadness of war, saying that "we must learn how to compose differences not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose."

Another concern, Bowman says, was the possibility that as the military and the arms industry gained power, they would be a threat to democracy, with civilians losing control of the military-industrial complex.

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In his remarks, Eisenhower also explained how the situation had developed:

"Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of ploughshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions."
The difference, Bowman says, is that before the late 1950s, companies such as Ford built everything from jeeps to bombers — then went back to building cars. But that changed after the Korean War.

Bowman says that it's important to note that during the Cold War, the U.S. military didn't draw down its troops like it did after World War II.

"It kept a large standing army after the Korean War," he says.

America's new reliance on sophisticated weapons technology also helped bring about what Bowman calls "a technology race with the Soviets."

And that meant that weapons manufacturing became more specialized.

"So [for] a company like Ford, going from cars to jeeps is one thing; cars to missiles is quite another," Bowman says.

In an effort to control the expansion of the military-industrial complex, Eisenhower consistently sought to cut the Pentagon's budget.

The former general wanted a budget the country could afford, Bowman says. He upset all the military services with his budget cuts, especially the Air Force.

Citing another quote from Eisenhower — this one from another speech on military spending — Bowman says, "The jet plane that roars overhead costs three quarters of a million dollars. That’s more than a man will make in his lifetime. What world can afford this kind of thing for long?"

In today's government, Eisenhower has a fan in his fellow Kansan Secretary of Defense Robert Gates — who keeps a portrait of the former general in his office at the Pentagon, Bowman says.

Speaking at the Eisenhower Library last year, Gates talked about America's insatiable appetite for more and more weapons:


"Does the number of warships we have, and are building, really put America at risk, when the U.S. battle fleet is larger than the next 13 navies combined — 11 of which are our partners and allies?
Is it a dire threat that by 2020, the United States will have only 20 times more advanced stealth fighters than China?
These are the kinds of questions Eisenhower asked as commander-in-chief. They are the kinds of questions I believe he would ask today."

But, Bowman says, it has only become more difficult to control the size of the nation's military industry.

First, "there are only a handful of defense giants," he says, "which means you can't shop around for a better price."

And companies such as Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman are also adept at both lobbying and marketing to promote their interests.

Bowman says, "they also spread the jobs around the country, to lock in political support."

Gates has also discussed the difficulty of cutting military spending:

"What it takes is the political will and willingness, as Eisenhower possessed, to make hard choices — choices that will displease powerful people both inside the Pentagon, and out."

Bowman says that some industry observers believe that "the one thing that could create that political will is the nation's huge deficit." Only that might force cuts in the overall defense budget.

 

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