@blatham,
I got to see Liberace about '74-'75 at Blossom in Ohio. One of the best shows I've ever seen. Saw Led Zep there a year or so earlier. I remember more of Liberace's show. He had a steel band from Trinidad as a guest act and man were they good.
@ossobucotemp,
I did not go to the Three Tenors performance in Vancouver. The ticket prices were astronomical. I might have paid that much for a dozen tenors but not just three.
@emmett grogan,
I've often wondered how many red neck types who loved Liberace when he appeared on Ed Sullivan and then figured out later that he was seriously gay. That would have caused some cognitive dissonance, I expect.
@blatham,
Could have been. But they lost out. I was looking for entertainment and they were whistling past a graveyard.
@blatham,
The one I have a tape of was the first one, at the Baths of Caracalla. So what?
This from a woman who can't carry a tune..
@snood,
snood wrote:
blatham wrote:
And I used to like you...
Oh, stop it. I'm trying to think of an artist for whom my distaste reaches near the level of yours...
I know no one asked me, but off the top of my head my most disliked artists are Rod Stewart (Lycra pants and puffy spiky mullet) and Paul Anka (for his sappy songs and crappy imitation of frank Sinatra).
@Lash,
Quote:Re: jcboy (Post 6429388)
The flip side of that is Donald isn't doing anything you didn't let Hillary get away with before.
Ever consider walking this gem back?
@emmett grogan,
My first instinct was yes, but I think I'd rather put it to the test.
My reference in the quote you used was financial impropriety. I'll stand by that one.
I'm sure you must be thinking of extremely poorly considered comments about race. I'll cite you Hillary's "super predator," "bring them to heel," "I used prison labor at the Arkansas governor's mansion" for that category.
Give me another category, and see how long I can match you.
@Lash,
Same old crap you've been posting for years. How come you never, ever deal with the fact that black murders increased over thirty percent for the five years before Clinton took office, and went down over 30% during his two terms? Black murders were skyrocketing for the five years before Bill got in, and went straight down after he did. But you just bring up the same old crap over and over, and NEVER deal the reality of declining black murders during Clinton's term.
Like, never. And you won't now. Because the crap right wing sites that constitute your information sources don't like to talk about it. Consequently, you don't get to read it.
@emmett grogan,
emmett grogan wrote:
Quote:Re: jcboy (Post 6429388)
The flip side of that is Donald isn't doing anything you didn't let Hillary get away with before.
Ever consider walking this gem back?
In a nutshell, no.........he/she is incapable of anything close to reconsideration.
@Blickers,
Emmett challenged me to find instances of Hillary getting a pass for things Trump is doing.
So far, I'm two for two. Your little personal attacks don't change that.
I'm sure there are plenty more examples of racism by Ms Clinton, but I think the most blatant and oddly overlooked were her attacks against Obama.
Huffpost laid them out clearly:
But it’s hard to believe she’s serious about fighting for racial justice unless you pretend her 2008 campaign against Obama never happened. If you remember that period, there’s good reason to believe today’s promises are nothing more than lip-service to a community she sees as key to winning the nomination.
Clinton is now attacking Bernie Sanders for having criticized Obama, trying to take advantage of Black folks’ desire to defend the president. But it was Clinton herself who waged an incredibly nasty campaign of attacks and smears against Obama, going far beyond mere policy disagreements. A quick trip down memory lane reveals that Clinton has a history of employing race in a divisive, cynical manner.
Based on what happened the last time Hillary Clinton ran for President, we should expect that at some point Black people will get thrown under the bus again, especially if it helps Clinton gain or maintain power.
Painting Obama As Not ‘Fundamentally American’
Throughout the 2008 election season, racist and bigoted smears about Barack Obama circulated online, and bubbled up into mainstream conversation about the campaign in the traditional news media. Two of the most prominent lies about Obama, which persist to this day, were that he is secretly a Muslim (playing on fear-mongering and bigotry about Islam), and that he was not really born in America. Both of these ideas paint Obama as “other” and outside the mainstream, drawing their potency from fears about Black people gaining power. People generally associate these memes with the right wing. But the truth is that for the entire Democratic primary, not only did Hillary Clinton’s campaign do nothing to push back against the racist fear-mongering about Obama, it actually fed this atmosphere and helped it grow. It was a part of their strategy from early in the campaign.
Back in March of 2007, Hillary Clinton’s chief strategist Mark Penn wrote a campaign memo that proposed painting Barack Obama as un-American or “other”:
“His roots to basic American values and culture are at best limited. I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and in his values ... Every speech should contain the line you were born in the middle of America to the middle class in the middle of the last century ... Let’s explicitly own ‘American’ in our programs, the speeches and the values. He doesn’t.“
In December of 2007, Billy Shaheen, the co-chair of Clinton’s New Hampshire campaign, raised the issue of Obama’s drug use as a young man, and the possibility that Obama could be attacked as a drug dealer. He said he was talking about how Republicans would attack Obama, but his statements had the effect of injecting racist stereotypes into the campaign: “It’ll be, ‘When was the last time? Did you ever give drugs to anyone? Did you sell them to anyone?’ There are so many openings for Republican dirty tricks.” It is a tried and true tactic: floating an idea to which you claim to not personally ascribe, with the effect of getting the idea to circulate.
The next day, Clinton privately apologized to Obama for Shaheen’s comments and claimed she had nothing to do with them. Obama didn’t accept the apology because he believed Clinton’s campaign was circulating emails claiming he was a Muslim. According to Reggie Love, Obama’s personal assistant at the time: “The candidate [Obama] very respectfully told her the apology was kind, but largely meaningless, given the emails it was rumored her camp had been sending out labeling him as a Muslim.”
In February 2008, the Drudge Report posted a picture of Obama in traditional Kenyan/Somali clothes (including a turban, which helped reinforce the “secret Muslim” smear). Drudge said the picture was circulated by the Clinton campaign. David Plouffe, Obama’s campaign manager called it “the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we’ve seen from either party in this election.” Initially, the Clinton campaign did not deny having sent the photo, instead playing dumb about the possible impact of the photo and attacking Obama over it: “If Barack Obama’s campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed. Hillary Clinton has worn the traditional clothing of countries she has visited and had those photos published widely.”
Stephanie Tubbs Jones, a member of Congress and Clinton surrogate, when asked about the circulation of the photo, implied that Barack Obama is native to Kenya: “I have no shame, or no problem, with people looking at Barack Obama in his native clothing, the clothing of his country … if we’re supporting a woman or an African American for president, we ought to be able to support their ability to wear the clothing of their nation.”
Then there’s Hillary Clinton, herself, more subtly doing the same. In March 2008, in an interview on 60 Minutes, instead of defending Obama against the “secret Muslim” smear, Clinton carefully and strategically left room open for doubt, saying “I take him on the basis of what he says,” and then when pressed, saying he’s not Muslim “as far as I know.” Clinton could have clearly and unequivocally denounced the smears against Obama, but she didn’t.
In contrast, when presented with a similar question, the Republican front-runner John McCain unequivocally dismissed such claims, rebuking and taking the microphone away from a participant in a town hall who asserted she couldn’t trust Obama because he is an Arab.
“He Would Not Have Been My Pastor”
Barack Obama’s connection with his former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, became a major controversy in the 2008 presidential campaign because of his strong, controversial, and sometimes radical statements on America and U.S. policy. Tapes were obtained showing the reverend saying “God Damn America” instead of the expected “God Bless America,” and speaking frankly about the treatment of Black people in America. Jeremiah Wright’s sermons were reflective of what you’d hear in a Black church anywhere in America, and despite the caricature perpetuated at the time, Wright was neither a separatist nor anti-white.
While there is reason to believe that the Jeremiah Wright tapes may have come from those associated with the Clinton campaign, what’s certain is that Hillary Clinton used guilt by association to further “other” Obama as un-American and downright scary to white people. It was also a way to attack the legitimacy of Obama’s church and faith, working in conjunction with the “secret Muslim” smear.
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Trump's ludicrous birtherism had the same intended effect, but Ms Clinton didn't leave the interpretation to chance.
@blatham,
WARNING - CONTAINS OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE.
My late father was a conservative-values type as rural Irish Catholics of his generation were wont to be. I recall a television special being shown at Christmas one year where Liberace approached the piano, arms stretched, soaking in the adulation whilst wearing a full-length white fur coat. It was the one and only time I heard my father use the 'c' word. "Who the **** is that ****? "
@Lash,
Lash wrote:Huffpost laid them out clearly: ...
Just mentioning that your source is a post by James Rucker on
Huffington's blog
@glitterbag,
There are a lot of stinkers that have risen in the pop charts. The ones I have no use for are those that don't move me emotionally even a bit (like Anka).
@Walter Hinteler,
Do you challenge the facts he mentioned?