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izzythepush
 
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Thu 17 Aug, 2017 07:29 am
Opinion piece by Anthony Zurcher.

Quote:
At some point during the campaign last year, most Republicans came to the conclusion that Donald Trump was like nuclear energy. His was a force that, if properly harnessed, could power their party for a generation.
And so the party embraced Mr Trump. Republican functionaries like Reince Priebus and Sean Spicer joined the White House team. The nuclear dragon would be tamed.
But after nearly seven months the depth of their miscalculation may be growing too obvious to ignore.
Without adequate controls, everything Mr Trump touches could end up radioactive.
"I think his ability to effectively govern is dwindling by the hour," CNN Jim Acosta quotes a Republican leadership source as saying.
Veteran reporter Carl Bernstein says that high-level Republican, conservative, and military officials are privately saying that Mr Trump is "unfit to be president".
As party officials stare at the glowing crater left from the president's latest meltdown, they are left wondering. What now? What next?
At least so far, many Republicans have opted for the path of least resistance. They make stern condemnations of white supremacists and the hate that motivated the violence in Charlottesville - in carefully worded statements and tweets - hoping it will provide political shelter from the ongoing storm.
When it comes to taking aim at the president himself, however, Mr Trump is He Who Must Not Be Named. Their criticism is oblique and the condemnation implied. They may whisper uncomfortable views in private, but publicly they watch their words.
Speaker of the House Paul Ryan - who had plenty of experience distancing himself from Mr Trump during the campaign - provides a standard example of the manoeuvre.
"We must be clear," he tweets. "White supremacy is repulsive. This bigotry is counter to all this country stands for. There can be no moral ambiguity."
He then returned to tweeting about Republican tax policy.
"Today's statements by President Trump at his press conference were disappointing and a failure of leadership, which starts at the top, with him," he said in a press release. "I hope the president will focus on bringing people together and to challenge hate in the strongest unequivocal terms moving forward. There is no home for hate here in Virginia or America."
Or Arizona Senator John McCain.
"There's no moral equivalency between racists and Americans standing up to defy hate and bigotry," he tweeted. "The president of the United States should say so."
Others are caught in a political whipsaw, alternating criticism and praise for a president who, once again, seems to change his administration's position based on pique or whim.
South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham, for instance, called on Mr Trump to condemn white nationalists after his tepid response on Saturday and lauded his Monday scripted remarks by tweeting: "Well done Mr President".
On Tuesday it was back to blasting.
According to a count by the liberal website ThinkProgress, just 14 other Republicans in Congress, out of 292, have made similarly explicit condemnations of the president so far.
Those who haven't put out any kind of statement, however, risk getting pressed by reporters for their take.
When one journalist asked Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson what the president should say about the Charlottesville violence, he responded: "You tell me", adding that he wanted to move on.
That's a sentiment most Republicans probably share, but thanks to the president's combative press conference on Tuesday, "moving on" seems unlikely at least for now.
Within the administration officials are treading even more carefully. Chief of Staff John Kelly may have been caught by cameras repeatedly wincing during Tuesday's press conference, but he's back on the job today.
Gary Cohn - the president's top economic advisor who stood nearby as the president issued his remarks in Trump Tower - reportedly told friends he was "disgusted" and "upset" by the president's actions - but not so much that he would speak on the record.
Perhaps the reason why many Republicans are watching their words when it comes to the president is they have seen this film before.
During his presidential campaign, Mr Trump said undocumented Mexican migrants were criminals and rapists, he belittled Mr McCain's Vietnam War record, he insulted the parents of a Muslim US soldier killed in Iraq, he mocked a Hispanic beauty pageant contestant's weight, and he was recorded boasting about using his celebrity status to sexually harass women.
After each of these episodes - and many more - Republicans eyed each other nervously and prepared to bolt for the exits, but Mr Trump eventually recovered. The storm passed, and in the end he prevailed.
"This too shall pass" isn't always a balm for the distraught. Sometimes it's a warning. It's a stern message for those who would doubt or abandon the president.
A HuffPost/YouGov poll conducted after the Charlottesville unrest (but before Mr Trump's Tuesday press conference) could also give clues as to why conservatives are taking pause.
Fully 77% of Trump voters think the president "did enough" to condemn white nationalist violence in Charlottesville. Two-thirds of them had no problem with the president's delay in mentioning neo-Nazis and white supremacists by name.
Perhaps most remarkably, 48% of Trump voters think the Charlottesville white nationalists either "have a point" (37%) or were "mostly right" (11%). And 68% of Trump voters see "a lot of discrimination" against white people in the US.
Why draw the ire of a president known to keep close tabs on his friends and foes, Republicans may think, when the party's core voters largely still stand by his side, even through this latest political furore.
It's a calculation, however, that Mr Trump's corporate chieftans didn't have to make. After they abandoned the White House in growing numbers, the president was forced to announce his economic advisory boards were being shuttered.
Neither is political expediency a concern for much of the conservative media, which is showing growing signs of tiring of the presidential drama.
While some - like The National Review - have largely remained in the #neverTrump camp, the Federalist had often come to the president's defence. Until now.
"I don't think Trump is going to resign any time soon," says Robert Tracinski, a senior writer for the website. "But he needs to be left hanging out there all on his own without support from anyone in his party (or from anyone in the right-leaning media). He is a vortex of destruction, and the only way to survive is to get everything we love as far away from him as possible."
Mr Trump is a survivor. He outlasted all of his political opponents and bested many of his critics and naysayers. But a day of reckoning for Republicans could be fast approaching.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40952797
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blatham
 
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Thu 17 Aug, 2017 07:31 am
I'm sure we'll all find this utterly charming.
Quote:
The son of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu claimed this week that leftists are more dangerous than neo-Nazis and white supremacists.

In a Facebook post published Tuesday, Yair Netanyahu wrote that antifascist protesters and members of the Black Lives Matter movement were “thugs” and that neo-Nazi “scums” were less threatening in 2017.

“To put things in perspective. I’m a Jew, I’m an Israeli, the neo nazis scums in Virginia hate me and my country,” the younger Netanyahu wrote. “But they belong to the past. Their breed is dying out. However the thugs of Antifa and BLM who hate my country (and America too in my view) just as much are getting stronger and stronger and becoming super dominant in American universities and public life.”
TP
I expect that Peter Beinart, Josh Marshall and many other smart political writers who are Jewish and who often address the topic of the increasing divide between American Jews and the modern Israeli state will speak to this. I'll let you know when I bump into such commentary.
Cycloptichorn
 
  7  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 07:31 am
@McGentrix,
Surely the videos and pictures of the people holding Nazi flags and giving Nazi salutes cleared that right up quick, though?

I do understand that the term Nazi is thrown around a lot online, but these guys literally call themselves Nazis. What else are we supposed to call them?

Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn
 
  5  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 07:33 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

So according to you, the people participating in a white supremacist march aren't white supremacists and their supporters? They're "fine people?" Understood.

Or, are you saying that I've called everyone I disagree with a Nazi?

I haven't.



This is an example of someone who doesn't get it.

A> I didn't make the video so none of ot is "according to me"
B> No one suggested that "the people participating in a white supremacist march aren't white supremacists and their supporters". Seriously, did you even actually watch it? It's like 2 minutes long...
C> Though the response was to you, it was not directed AT you, merely your comment.


Nobody but Trump, you mean. He suggested exactly that. More than suggested: he stated exactly that.

Cycloptichorn
izzythepush
 
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Thu 17 Aug, 2017 07:39 am
@blatham,
Ant Semitism and support for Israel go hand in hand. The Anti Semites want to deport the Jews to Israel and Israeli rightwingers have a subdued diaspora unwilling to criticise Israel in case everything goes tits up.

The terrorist organisation Lehi, or Stern gang, whose members went on to form Netanyahu's party Likud, even tried to make an alliance with Hitler during WW2.
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blatham
 
  6  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 07:40 am
Brilliant new cover for The Economist

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHb0veTU0AEo1Nx.jpg
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McGentrix
 
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Thu 17 Aug, 2017 07:40 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Surely the videos and pictures of the people holding Nazi flags and giving Nazi salutes cleared that right up quick, though?

I do understand that the term Nazi is thrown around a lot online, but these guys literally call themselves Nazis. What else are we supposed to call them?

Cycloptichorn


THOSE are the people that SHOULD be called Nazi's...

Instead, it's become far too common to call your opponent a Nazi in an effort to portray them in the worse light possible. Bush was a Nazi, Obama was a Nazi, Trump's now a Nazi, every Conservative that disagrees with CNN is a Nazi, anyone that doesn't attend to Blatham's daily gospel is a Nazi, hell, I think I've been called a Nazi on here at some point in time... Word's mean thing and when they are continuously used inappropriately they start losing their meaning...
izzythepush
 
  5  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 07:41 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

THOSE are the people that SHOULD be called Nazi's...


No, they should be called Nazis.
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McGentrix
 
  -3  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 07:42 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Nobody but Trump, you mean. He suggested exactly that. More than suggested: he stated exactly that.

Cycloptichorn


Nonsense.

That's how you decided to hear it. Do you believe that every single person that doesn't believe that statues of people like Robert E. Lee should be taken down is a racist Nazi that's in the KKK?
Walter Hinteler
 
  6  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 07:47 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
THOSE are the people that SHOULD be called Nazi's...
And those who support them by joining their demonstrations are Nazi-supporters.
Cycloptichorn
 
  6  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 07:55 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Nobody but Trump, you mean. He suggested exactly that. More than suggested: he stated exactly that.

Cycloptichorn


Nonsense.

That's how you decided to hear it. Do you believe that every single person that doesn't believe that statues of people like Robert E. Lee should be taken down is a racist Nazi that's in the KKK?


This is the part I was referring to:

Quote:
No one suggested that "the people participating in a white supremacist march aren't white supremacists and their supporters". Seriously, did you even actually watch it? It's like 2 minutes long


That's literally what Trump said: that not everyone who was marching Friday night (specifically, he said Friday, the torch rally) was a Nazi or white supremacists.

However, I'm sure you'll agree with me that nobody who didn't nope out of that rally when they were chanting anti-Jew slogans was in fact a 'fine person.' Right? What kind of person knowingly marches with Nazis and white supremacists? Even if they didn't know in advance, who stays when they find out?

You gotta remember that this thing was explicitly billed as a white power event. Advertised and sold that way. Sort of beggars belief that the participants were just regular Joes who believed strongly in a statue.

Like it or not, Trump represents the voice of the GOP, so when he says that there are 'fine people's marching and chanting Nazi slogans, yeah. It's a bad look for you guys. So much so that the other leaders have had to publicly repudiate him.

Cycloptichorn
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izzythepush
 
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Thu 17 Aug, 2017 09:43 am
Swastika waving Nazis march in Charlottesville, murder a young woman protester and all the right wing are bothered about is the 'left's' use of the word Nazi.

It's disgusting, and those mealy mouthed apologists are no better than the Nazis themselves.
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InfraBlue
 
  4  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 09:45 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

So according to you, the people participating in a white supremacist march aren't white supremacists and their supporters? They're "fine people?" Understood.

Or, are you saying that I've called everyone I disagree with a Nazi?

I haven't.


This is an example of someone who doesn't get it.

A> I didn't make the video so none of ot is "according to me"

Even though you didn't make the video, which I didn't claim that you did, you do use it as a response to my comment. It is according to your use of this video that you respond to my comment. Get it?
McGentrix wrote:
B> No one suggested that "the people participating in a white supremacist march aren't white supremacists and their supporters". Seriously, did you even actually watch it? It's like 2 minutes long...

Seriously, your use of that video to respond to my comment was completely inept.
McGentrix wrote:
C> Though the response was to you, it was not directed AT you, merely your comment.

As a response to my comment the video you provided to speak for you is unapt because I don't call everyone a Nazi, your failure to initially recognize these marchers as Nazis notwithstanding.

Your failures are not proof of your assertions about my comment.
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izzythepush
 
  5  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 09:45 am
Quote:
US President Donald Trump has denounced the removal of "beautiful" Confederate statues amid a heated national debate about US race relations.
"Sad to see the history and culture of our great country being ripped apart with the removal of our beautiful statues and monuments," he tweeted.
"You can't change history, but you can learn from it," he continued.
Mr Trump drew outrage by defending organisers of a white supremacist rally that left a woman dead and dozens hurt.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40965029<br />
You can learn from history, unless your name is Donald Trump.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 17 Aug, 2017 09:49 am
@McGentrix,
I can't follow the example you gave, my intellectually failure.
After WWII, a lot of Nazis here were just "Mitläufer" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitläufer), something, I never understood as well.
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InfraBlue
 
  3  
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 10:09 am
@blatham,
Nazism and Zionism are born of the same racial and ethnic nationalist ideologies of late 19th century Europe. The Netanyahu's political party, Likud, descends from the Zionist's right-wing Revisionist faction and the terrorist group, Irgun, that sprang from them.
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InfraBlue
 
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Thu 17 Aug, 2017 10:14 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Walter Hinteler wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
THOSE are the people that SHOULD be called Nazi's...
And those who support them by joining their demonstrations are Nazi-supporters.



That's like saying every Muslim that doesn't decry Radical Islamic Terrorism is a terrorist. You can't be guilty by association in this case.

I wasn't there in Charlottesville, but I doubt every person that was there to protest the destruction of civil war eta statuary was a nazi or member of the KKK.

Try to keep up. They're Nazi-supporters.
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snood
 
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Thu 17 Aug, 2017 11:07 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Try to keep up. They're Nazi-supporters.

Nonsense. Southerners who want to memorialize their war dead and resist anti-south bigotry are hardly Nazi supporters.


If someone is not an FBI plant or an embedded reporter, and they march with a group - be it BLM or NeoNazis or Gay Pride - and chant their chants along with them, they are supporting that group.
 

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