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snood
 
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Wed 16 Aug, 2017 11:27 am
@Brand X,
That's typical of this guy, isn't it? Sees that everyone is leaving, so makes announcement that he's ending it. Hopefully, that's a preview of how his disgraceful "presidency" ends: He sees everyone leaving, so he quits and claims he didn't want the job anyway.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Wed 16 Aug, 2017 11:54 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:

The brilliant but supremely arrogant Krauthammer is true to form when he describes it as thepoint. It is not thepoint, it is hispoint


It's the important and relevant point to all people of conscience.

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If the point is that the vile race supremacy ideology of the hate-mongering groups in Charlottesville is so singularly evil that it should obliterate any criticism of the violent and illegal thuggery taking place at the same time and in opposition to them


You, like Trump, still don't get it. Trump's words were intended to create a false sense of equivalence between the two groups. He talks out both sides of his mouth constantly, condemning on one hand but praising and forgiving on the other hand. He gives all of them rhetorical cover, to say that they are the 'good people' he was describing. He allows them to defend their lust for violence at these events by saying, 'hey, the leftists were violent too, it was just self-defense.' It's not a coincidence that he made the statements he did: this **** is what he truly believes, and his condemnations are forced and rote.

As Romney said: there's no equivalence between the two groups, at all. Their goals and methods are entirely dissimilar, as is their driving reason for their actions. Trump would have you believe that anyone protesting a Nazi is as bad as the Nazis themselves. That's a load of **** and you know it.

If you need any more proof of this, look to the cheers that came from white supremacists re: his comments yesterday. Do you think they're simply making **** up, when they say that Trump's comments support them? They're not. Every single person of conscience can see the truth of this!

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There is nothing wrong with it because it is true, and multiple truths can coexist at the same point in time.


The president has both an opportunity and a duty to highlight the important truths in any event. Every time we had a terrorist attack under Obama, y'all couldn't trip over yourself fast enough to criticize him for failing to point out the truths that YOU felt were important. Now, however, you are some defender of the need to point out multiple truths at once, and think that this isn't done to send a specific message? This is laughable.

Cycloptichorn
Brand X
 
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Wed 16 Aug, 2017 11:55 am
@snood,
It's a huge axe to the neck of his more business in America agenda for sure. Amazingly, these people were willing to agree to be on these teams under Trump even after what everyone learned about him during the campaign. I guess in the back of their mind they knew their worst fears could happen.
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snood
 
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Wed 16 Aug, 2017 12:03 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
It's not an original point, but I don't know if anyone's made it here: Would Trump and his defenders be as quick to point out the blame on "both sides" if the group having the rally was pro-Islamic, the driver of the car was a radical Muslim, and there were some anti-terrorist Americans there resisting?
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InfraBlue
 
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Wed 16 Aug, 2017 12:48 pm
Who in their right mind would join a march organized by white supremacist groups to protest anything other than white supremacy, e.g. the removal of public statues?

Can one really say that these people with questionable judgement are "fine people?"

I don't buy the apologia, however. These people marched with the white supremacists to protest the removal of these public statues because these statues are symbols of their race-culture beliefs.
blatham
 
  6  
Wed 16 Aug, 2017 01:59 pm
Two earlier mentions of the Vice reporting piece (with a lot of video footage and interviews). It's extraordinary. The level of anti-semitism actually took me by surprise. These are seriously ugly people. You all must watch this.
via TPM
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izzythepush
 
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Wed 16 Aug, 2017 02:49 pm
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Former Presidents George HW Bush and George W Bush have called on the US to "reject racial bigotry, anti-Semitism and hatred in all forms".
They are the latest Republican figures to weigh in on the backlash to Donald Trump's latest remarks blaming "both sides" for violent clashes in Virginia.
It culminated with a woman's death and nearly 20 wounded when a car ploughed into a crowd at the far-right rally.
On Wednesday, Mr Trump disbanded his jobs councils amid an exodus of CEOs.
Representatives from companies like Merck, Under Armour, and Intel had quit the group over Mr Trump's reaction to the events in Charlottesville.
Republican elected officials around the country expressed outrage when Mr Trump appeared to defend the organisers.
"As we pray for Charlottesville, we are reminded of the fundamental truths recorded by that city's most prominent citizen in the Declaration of Independence: we are all created equal and endowed by our Creator with unalienable rights," a statement from the two former presidents said.
"We know these truths to be everlasting because we have seen the decency and greatness of our country."
The violent clashes in Charlottesville, Virginia, on Saturday have sparked a heated debate on US race relations.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40946386
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MontereyJack
 
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Wed 16 Aug, 2017 05:07 pm
It is 25th amendment time. The man is clearly unfit to govern. Too bad his cabinet are spineless toadies.
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reasoning logic
 
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Wed 16 Aug, 2017 05:31 pm
@InfraBlue,
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Can one really say that these people with questionable judgement are "fine people?"


Is this your way of making fun of the most intellectual president of our time?
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hightor
 
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Wed 16 Aug, 2017 07:00 pm
@Lash,
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You talk real big for someone who has NO PROOF.

Proof of what? I proved that you can find the whole news story in the Times by following the link and I put a breaking story about a Ukrainian malware expert into the more familiar context of "Russia didn't do it; the DNC leaked it".

What's to prove? The subject has been discussed a lot here. On more than one occasion you've expressed your views on the subject and, this being 2017, I'd be disappointed if you didn't have access to a whole slew of alarm-raising articles and slick videos — which you can use to shore up the collapsing infrastructure of your imagined political world. And don't forget Benghazi.
snood
 
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Wed 16 Aug, 2017 07:25 pm
@hightor,
You have to consider you're talking with someone who is still calling it "the Russia hoax".
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old europe
 
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Wed 16 Aug, 2017 08:24 pm
@McGentrix,
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old europe
 
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Wed 16 Aug, 2017 08:28 pm
@McGentrix,
I'll agree with you, McGentrix, that Nazi comparisons are way overused in the political discourse in the United States.

However, claiming that "the left" has been using Nazi comparisons so often that now the general public is unable to recognize it when actual Nazis are marching in the streets and murdering a peaceful protester is really the height of victim-blaming and apologism.
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wmwcjr
 
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Wed 16 Aug, 2017 09:20 pm
@wmwcjr,
I guess I can assume correctly that the bright one who thumbed down this post is an anti-Semite. Since s(he) won't divulge his/her identity, I can also assume that this person is a gutless coward.
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wmwcjr
 
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Wed 16 Aug, 2017 09:21 pm
@glitterbag,
Someone who posts in this topic didn't like it.
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glitterbag
 
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Wed 16 Aug, 2017 09:46 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Anyone able to counter this with facts?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFNOfG7Zbzc[/youtube]


You are tiresome, and not very bright. WHO tells you what to think? Sean Hannity or Alex Jones? Bravo
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