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revelette1
 
  2  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 10:27 am
@snood,
I agree with George on this one in the respect that everyone no matter what their views are have the right to speak them in any venue, unless it incites violence. It is not against the law to be bigots. Not to keep repeating myself, but, the counter protesters had the right and almost obligation to speak out against those bigoted views. Where the president went wrong is in not condemning those racist bigoted views in which white supremacy groups represent and how those views are not what we as a nation are about. We are about free speech though. He also should have expressed his sorrow for those who were hurt in the violence and the woman who was killed by a white supremacist who carried out an act of terrorism in the name of his cause. I am not sure if he has yet, but the fact it was not the first thing to happen by our president is shameful.

Some of us wondered how he would do in real crises, it doesn't look promising. He failed in the weekend's crises all around.
georgeob1
 
  -4  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 10:34 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

Being intolerant of bigots is equally as reprehensible as the intolerance by bigots?


Perhaps you should consult a dictionary for the meaning of the word, bigot.
Cycloptichorn
 
  8  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 10:35 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

I don't even think it's that complicated. I think he is sympathetic to the alt-right and doesn't want to lose their support. Yeah, he's probably paranoid and megalo too, but he's a sniveling coward afraid of losing the alt-right support just like he's afraid of offending omrade Putin.

For God's sake, Nazis killed a woman on national tv, and this POS won't come out strongly against Nazis.


Trump probably remembers quite well the fact that his own father was a fan and probably a member of the KKK. I guarantee you he was raised in an environment steeped in racism.

He can't condemn these people because he agrees with them, he'd be condemning himself.

Cycloptichorn
snood
 
  4  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 10:36 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Good seein' ya cyclops.
Cycloptichorn
 
  9  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 10:38 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
He can't handle the truth. Both parties are corrupted by money.


Well, I'm not Canadian and I certainly don't have you on ignore.

That being said, while there is some small truth to what you wrote above, to pretend equivalency in this area is ridiculous. The idea that the Dems are as beholden to monied interest in this country as the GOP is laughable. A joke. Nobody who actually pays attention to politics could ever believe such a thing.

I have about, oh, a billion examples here, if you want to get into it. But I don't recommend it.

Cycloptichorn
izzythepush
 
  4  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 10:39 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

I agree with George on this one in the respect that everyone no matter what their views are have the right to speak them in any venue, unless it incites violence.


Isn't that exactly what happened though, violence, incited by the far right?
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 10:41 am
@snood,
Looking glass thinking, up is down, black is white. It's so they can lie to themselves about having some humanity when they have none.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  4  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 10:43 am
@snood,
Yeah you too. Been busy raising a couple kids, not much time to post anymore. Nice to see the old crowd still going at it tho

Cycloptichorn
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wmwcjr
 
  1  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 10:44 am
@farmerman,
You're right. Incidentally, I wonder if Holocaust deniers are found more frequently on one side of the political divide than the other. Actually, I don't wonder about it at all.

I'm surprised you haven't been personally attacked for daring to express your observations. That's the style around here. Attack and demonize, attack and demonize.
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izzythepush
 
  4  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 10:47 am
Quote:
The head of drugs giant Merck, Ken Frazier, has resigned from President Trump's American Manufacturing Council following Charlottesville.
A woman was killed on Saturday when a car rammed into a crowd protesting against a white supremacist rally.
Following the death, Mr Trump was criticised for not specifically denouncing the far right.
Mr Frazier said: "I feel a responsibility to take a stand against intolerance and extremism."
"America's leaders must honour our fundamental views by clearly rejecting expressions of hatred, bigotry and group supremacy, which run counter to the American ideal that all people are created equal."
In response, Mr Trump tweeted that Mr Frazier would now have "more time to lower rip off drug prices".
n January, Mr Trump called on pharmaceutical companies to cut "astronomical" drug prices.
In a meeting at the Oval Office, the president met Mr Frazier and other executives from companies such as Johnson & Johnson and Eli Lilly, and told them prices for drugs must come down.
He said if they brought production back to the US, the administration would lower regulations and speed up approval for new medicines.
One of only a handful of black heads of Fortune 500 companies resigns from a White House advisory board in protest at Donald Trump's tepid response to the Charlottesville attacks, and the president cannot resist kicking the man on the way out of the door.
While it is a move that is in keeping with Mr Trump's reputation as someone who responds aggressively to any perceived slight, his tweet is politically risky.
Pressure will mount on other corporate leaders to follow suit, lest they be viewed as being soft on racism.
Leaders such as Thea Lee of the AFL-CIO, Jamie Dimon of JPMorgan Chase, Indra Nooyi of PepsiCo and Mary Barra of General Motors are sure to feel the heat from members and shareholders.
The White House has been scrambling since Saturday night to control the damage caused by Mr Trump's "both sides" comment, when ascribing blame for the Charlottesville violence.
The president has faced sharp criticism from the left and the right, as conservative members of Congress show newfound willingness to distance themselves from Mr Trump on this matter.
Once again, a Trump tweet complicates the press team's job.
While they are busy bailing out the ship, the president is poking more holes in the hull.
The White House has rejected criticism of President Trump's response to the violence at the weekend.
Demonstrations and vigils have been held in cities across the United States in support of Charlottesville.
Other company heads have also stepped down from presidential advisory councils in protest at Mr Trump's policies.
Former Uber chief executive Travis Kalanick left the Business Advisory Council in February over the Trump administration's immigration policies.
Tesla's chief executive Elon Musk and Walt Disney's chief executive Robert Iger left the President's Strategic and Policy Forum in June, after Mr Trump said he would withdraw from the Paris climate accord.
Mr Musk also left the manufacturing council.
Lloyd Blankfein, the chief executive and chairman of Goldman Sachs, tweeted a quote from President Lincoln in response to Charlottesville.
He said: "Lincoln: 'A house divided against itself cannot stand'. Isolate those who try to separate us. No equivalence w/ those who bring us together."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40921600
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wmwcjr
 
  5  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 10:47 am
@izzythepush,
These people are disgusting, but count on layman to come up with a "blame the victim" defense of them.

By the way, please don't insult real-life cockroaches by likening these people to them.
Baldimo
 
  -3  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 10:47 am
@izzythepush,
"Hope and Change"

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wmwcjr
 
  1  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 10:56 am
@blatham,
Yes, we all know that "political correctness" was to blame for the rise of Hitler in Germany. Rolling Eyes
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wmwcjr
 
  3  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 10:59 am
@layman,
Read more carefully, layman. She said your party was corrupt, too.
layman
 
  -3  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 11:01 am
@wmwcjr,
wmwcjr wrote:

Read more carefully, layman. She said your party was corrupt, too.

Bill, I don't belong to any party, for one thing.

But, given your recent posts, it's obvious to me that YOU'RE the one who should read more carefully.
wmwcjr
 
  4  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 11:04 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Trump's father once participated in a Klan demonstration.
ehBeth
 
  4  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 11:08 am
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/politics/trump-condemns-charlottesville-attackers/index.html

Quote:
Trump calls KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists 'repugnant'


watch out Bohemian Grove guests
you may be next

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layman
 
  -3  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 11:14 am
@wmwcjr,
wmwcjr wrote:

These people are disgusting, but count on layman to come up with a "blame the victim" defense of them.


I have no idea exactly what you're referring to here, Bill, beyond perhaps your own prejudices.

Based on the initial reports, I called the car thing "terrorism," which I now regret doing (I should have known better). But the initial reports were wrong, so I'm no longer willing to jump to that conclusion.

For one thing, a charge of "second degree murder" is incompatible with a charge of terrorism, and that's all they're willing to charge the guy with. Do you even wonder why?

We've all seen this type of phenomenon before. The Duke "rape" case comes to mind, where the MNM, for months, had convicted the accused assailants because it fit their favored preconceptions and the message they wanted to convey.

In case you missed it, this guy did NOT plow into the crowd as was, and is still being, reported as fact.

There is also video evidence which conflicts with the current narrative about it.

They are still investigating, and I've seen no (reliable) facts reported which shows this was terrorism. It could have been, I don't know. But nothing I've seen says it necessarily was.

But I'm certainly not blaming the young woman's death on her.
snood
 
  5  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 11:30 am
@georgeob1,
You look up false equivalence first.
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wmwcjr
 
  0  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 11:30 am
@wmwcjr,
By the way, welcome back.

You've returned, and I'm leaving. I've lost all interest in politics. Unless I'm an absolute fool, I won't be posting in any political topics; and I'll avoid them.

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