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@layman,

layman wrote:

wmwcjr wrote:

These people are disgusting, but count on layman to come up with a "blame the victim" defense of them.

In case you missed it, this guy did NOT plow into the crowd as was, and is still being, reported as fact.

There is also video evidence which conflicts with the current narrative about it.

I'd be interested in hearing or seeing that evidence. I mean, the videos I have seen sure don't seem to support the contention you're making here.

Cycloptichorn

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@revelette1,

revelette1 wrote:

I agree with George on this one in the respect that everyone no matter what their views are have the right to speak them in any venue

no

they do not have that right in private venues

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Here's a typically bogus and misleading headline concocted by the MSN;

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A Witness to Terrorism in Charlottesville

http://www.newyorker.com/news/as-told-to/a-witness-to-terrorism-in-charlottesville

But if you read the story, it appears that their "witness" didn't see anything, let alone "terrorism."

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I was ten feet away, so I didn’t really see details of the car. It was just sudden movement through the crowd, sound, bodies in the air.

Based on the NYT report, the car didn't hit a single person. It just hit another car, which caused a "chain reaction" which led to some people nearby being injured/killed.

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@Cycloptichorn,

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I'd be interested in hearing or seeing that evidence. I mean, the videos I have seen sure don't seem to support the contention you're making here.

I agree with that. But nor do any of the videos I've seen clearly show what happened either. Photos, especially stills, can be very deceptive. See my last post.

https://able2know.org/topic/355218-1402#post-6483906

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I am not wild about Sessions as I think I have made clear, however, at least he says the nature of the attack fits the definition of terrorism.

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"You can be sure we will charge and advance the investigation towards the most serious charges that can be brought, because this is unequivocally an unacceptable, evil attack," he said. "Terrorism investigators from the FBI are working on the case as well as civil rights division FBI agents."

ABC NEWS

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@layman,

Come to think of it, I now remember you said that. I apologize.

This is the last time I will post in any political forum anywhere on the Internet. Needless to say, I'm not telling anyone else what to do. I'm just tired of politics, and I've experienced social media burnout. Besides, real-life concerns beckon; and my health is not good. I'm likely to post in nonpolitical topics, but not as often as I have lately.

Best regards to you and everyone else.

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@ehBeth,

True, my bad.

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@layman,

layman wrote:

Based on the NYT report, the car didn't hit a single person. It just hit another car, which caused a "chain reaction" which led to some people nearby being injured/killed.

I mean, are you serious with this bullshit?

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world/national/nmof08-APTOPIX-Confederate-M_Pete-4.jpg/alternates/LANDSCAPE_768/APTOPIX%20Confederate%20M_Pete%20(4).jpg

See the shoes on the ground? You think these people magically flew out of their shoes on their own? That the three dudes here are doing a tumbling demonstration?

Sheesh. There is no ******* 'misleading interpretation' here, man. This photo clearly shows people being hit by a car - at speed. What are you even going for with comments like those?

Cycloptichorn

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@wmwcjr,

I know how you feel, been dealing with this stuff myself.

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@revelette1,

I understand the concept of giving credit when credit is due. But the bar is so ******* low for this bunch of cretins. So Trump gets dragged and screaming after three days to actually verbalize "white supremacist", and he's checked the box? Sessions - the goddamned chief law enforcement person for the country - calls the murder of a woman by a NAZI on national tv "terrorism", and what? He's met the requirement for a concerned, engaged attorney general? Really?

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@revelette1,

Good luck to you. You actually have more to contribute in this topic than I do. Smile

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@Cycloptichorn,

There ya go. Drawing conclusions based on a still photo.

Question the NYT about the "bullshit," not me. They're the ones who corrected the initial false reports.

Of course, they could be wrong, too, but not likely in this case. This is not the kind of thing they WANT to report.

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@layman,

There literally is no explanation for how that photo happened, other than the fact that a car plowed into those people. This isn't 'drawing a conclusion' based on a photo; it's documentary evidence of what occurred. And guess what, it matches the videos of the event perfectly.

I gotta say, I can't figure out what you're getting at here. Are you pushing the idea that this guy didn't actually plow into the protestors on purpose? That the whole thing is some sort of false-flag?

You realize how crazy either one of those things sounds, don't you? You must, you don't seem like a stupid person. So why are you pushing this line? You can't possibly believe what you're postulating here, so why bother? Just to be argumentative?

Cycloptichorn

Edit: You wrote:

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Turns out that video has now emerged showing an antifa thug hitting this guy's car with a baseball bat right before he accelerated. Hell, he may be guilty of nothing more than panicking when attacked.

Link to that video or admit that you're making this up based on hearsay. I've seen the same thing claimed in quite a few right-wing forums, but nobody has been able to produce said video.

What more, the driver accelerated for hundreds of feet before hitting people. He didn't do that 'out of panic,' get outta here with that bullshit.

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@Cycloptichorn,

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you don't seem like a stupid person

It really speaks well of you, that you can hold your gaze - looking for semblances of sense and sanity - the way you do.
He seems stupid AND crazy to me.

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

revelette1 wrote:

I agree with George on this one in the respect that everyone no matter what their views are have the right to speak them in any venue

no

they do not have that right in private venues

Are you sure that's what you mean? I'd think people like you would rather have those people secluded away in private venues instead of public ones. I think you mean in "safe spaces" where liberals can huddle together and ignore that there is a real world around them full of hateful, disgusting things. Better to plug the ears and close the eyes and babble on safely tucked away behind the ignore button.

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@Cycloptichorn,

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Sheesh. There is no ******* 'misleading interpretation' here, man. This photo clearly shows people being hit by a car - at speed.

No, it does not. Your pre-conditioned mind is telling you that.

I'll grant you that it "looks" that way, but no one's getting the dynamic facts from that photograph.

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@snood,

snood wrote:

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you don't seem like a stupid person

It really speaks well of you, that you can hold your gaze - looking for semblances of sense and sanity - the way you do.
He seems stupid AND crazy to me.

That would actually be removing responsibility for him posting the things he does. I don't like doing that. People who post hateful or idiotic things deserve to carry the weight of their decisions and be held responsible for them.

Cheers
Cycloptichorn

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@layman,

layman wrote:

Quote:
Sheesh. There is no ******* 'misleading interpretation' here, man. This photo clearly shows people being hit by a car - at speed.

No, it does not. Your pre-conditioned mind is telling you that.

I'll grant you that it "looks" that way, but no one's getting the dynamic facts from that photograph.

Provide an alternate explanation that has at least a tiny bit of validity to it, then. I will bet that you cannot do so.

Also, link to a copy of the video you claimed existed, showing the driver being threatened, which in your mind justifies his decision to mow people down. I will once again bet you cannot do so.

Cycloptichorn

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@layman,

There were a hundred eye witnesses. The video shows the car sending people flying. What the **** is wrong with you?

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@Cycloptichorn,

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Sheesh. There is no ******* 'misleading interpretation' here, man. This photo clearly shows people being hit by a car - at speed. What are you even going for with comments like those?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Mr. Cocksure. Hope you'll never be a juror.

Ever read the fuckin NYT? Apparently they didn't rely on one still.

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