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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
layman
 
  -4  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 11:49 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
Wasn't modern slavery the law of the land during that time? what I mean is that racism was extreme, alive and more proactive than what it is today.

The cheese-eaters are so historically ignorant, so oblivious to context, and so ideologically driven as to be ridiculous.

This latest episode, involving the destruction of statues of Americans who were prominent in the civil war, is reminiscent of the many schools across the country who banned Twain's "Huck Finn" from their libraries because it was "racist."

In point of fact, Twain was one of the most progressive of his time regarding race issues, and Huck Finn was decidedly anti-slavery in theme and tone.
reasoning logic
 
  -2  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 12:08 am
@layman,
Quote:
The cheese-eaters are so historically ignorant,


You seem to be talking about me. I love cheese and I am also ignorant about history. What about you? Do you follow the tenth commandment when it says in Exodus 23:19 thy shall not seethe [boil] the kid [baby goat] in its mothers milk? Do you enjoy cheese as much as the rest of us do?
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layman
 
  -4  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 12:19 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

For one...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/17/new_okeefe_video_clinton_campaign_dnc_coordinated_with_organizations_to_beat_up_trump_supporters.html

This is a pointless exercise though since as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow morning in the East, blatham and his flock will devote posts and numerous links to prove this and other instances are bullshit manufactured by conservatives.


Of course they will claim it's fake, Finn, videotape notwithstanding. But, even so, allow me to post an excerpt or two from your link:

Quote:
A new video investigation released Monday by James O’Keefe’s Project Veritas Action shows a key Clinton operative is captured on camera saying, "It doesn’t matter what the friggin’ legal and ethics people say, we need to win this ************."

In the video, Democratic activists Robert Creamer and Scott Foval reveal their strategy to create a sense of "anarchy" in and around Donald Trump events over the course of the campaign. Foval tells an undercover operative: "One of the things we do is we stage very authentic grassroots protests right in their faces at their own events. Like, we infiltrate."

I’m saying we have mentally ill people, that we pay to do ****, make no mistake,” says Foval in the video. “Over the last twenty years, I’ve paid off a few homeless guys to do some crazy stuff, and I’ve also taken them for dinner, and I’ve also made sure they had a hotel, and a shower.

A lot of our union guys…they’ll do whatever you want. When I need to get something done in Arkansas, the first guy I call is the head of the AFL-CIO down there, because he will say, ‘What do you need?’ And I will say, I need a guy who will do this, this and this. And they find that guy. And that guy will be like, Hell yeah, let’s do it.”

Foval explains to O'Keefe's undercover journalist how the web of Democratic organizations is designed to subvert laws preventing Super PACs and political action groups from organizing directly with campaigns...“The campaigns and DNC cannot go near [Democratic super PAC] Priorities [USA], but I guaran-damn-tee you that the people who run the Super PACs all talk to each other and we and a few other people are the hubs of that communication.”



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izzythepush
 
  4  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 01:07 am
@Blickers,
Oralloy is even more ignorant that I thought, and it's not like I thought he wasn't pretty ignorant in the first place. Even an outsider like me knows that economics, (the North wanting tariffs to protect its industry while the South wanting free trade to export its raw materials more easily,) was the cause of the Civil War. The slavery issue was used later to justify it.

And yes Oralloy, that's yet another 'fact' I've proved you're wrong about.
layman
 
  -3  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 01:24 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
The slavery issue was used later to justify it.

Well, Dizzy, I'll give you credit for being right at least once in your life, eh?

Maybe you should tell some of your fellow-travelling cheese-eaters about this, eh?:

InfraBlue wrote:

Robert E. Lee and the war to preserve the slavery of blacks that he fought for is a symbol of the white supremacy that the Charlottesville marchers espouse.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 01:31 am
Another massive **** up from Fart. He really is totally useless which is why the only ones still supporting him are the usual **** guzzlers.

Quote:
Iran's parliament has voted in favour of boosting investment in its missile defence and foreign operations programmes by more than $500m (£386m).
The bill, which received overwhelming approval, is in response to the latest round of US sanctions against Tehran.
The US imposed sanctions after a ballistic missile test in January.
Tehran says this violates the 2015 nuclear deal, which US President Donald Trump has called "the worst ever" and threatened to tear up.
The Iranian legislation must pass a second vote before submission for final approval.
Iranian MPs shouted "death to America" after Speaker Ali Larijani announced the result of the vote.
Of the members present, 240 parliamentarians out of 244 voted in favour of passing the bill.
It proposes that the government allocates an additional $260m for the "development of the missile programme" and the same amount to Iran's Quds Force, a branch of the country's Revolutionary Guards Corps, the official state news agency Irna said.
Mr Larijani said the move was meant to counter Washington's "terrorist and adventurist activities" in the Middle East, AFP news agency reports.
The 27-point bill will also impose sanctions on US military and intelligence officials in the region.
Iran's chief nuclear negotiator, Abbas Araqchi, said the new bill was not in violation of the 2015 agreement limiting the country's nuclear programme.
The nuclear deal, between Iran and six world powers including China, Russia and the UK, is largely seen as the best way to prevent Iran getting a nuclear weapon.
The agreement saw crippling economic sanctions on Iran lifted in return for the country restricting its sensitive nuclear activities.
Mr Trump has recently backed away from his key campaign promise to withdraw from the nuclear agreement.
Last week, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani warned Mr Trump that he risks political suicide if he scrapped the nuclear deal with Tehran.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-40916827
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layman
 
  -4  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 01:39 am
As if it wasn't obvious all along (including denouncements previously made by Trump):

Quote:
Pence: 'No tolerance' for hate from white supremacists, neo-Nazis, KKK

Vice President Mike Pence on Sunday denounced white supremacist groups in the aftermath of the violence in Charlottesville, Va., saying: “We have no tolerance for hate and violence, white supremacists or neo-Nazis or the KKK.” Pence said the “dangerous fringe groups” have no place in American public life."

The White House released a statement on Sunday: "The president said very strongly in his statement yesterday that he condemns all forms of violence, bigotry and hatred and of course that includes white Supremacists, KKK, neo-Nazi and all extremist groups."

The MSM will routinely fault Trump for supposedly "not" saying what he clearly said.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 02:46 am
'Anonymous' hackers take over neo-Nazi website Daily Stormer
Quote:
Hackers claiming to be from the international hacking network Anonymous have taken over the Daily Stormer, a neo-Nazi and white supremacist website that attacked the woman killed during violence at a far-right rally in Virginia on Saturday.

A post on the homepage of the website was headlined: “End of hate: Anonymous now in control of Daily Stormer.”

The Daily Stormer is founded and edited by US-born Andrew Anglin, who endorsed Donald Trump for president and recently told reporters he was living in Lagos, Nigeria. A post by Anglin published on Sunday was headlined: “Heather Heyer: woman killed in road rage incident was a fat, chil


layman
 
  -3  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 02:52 am
@Walter Hinteler,
You didn't finish the quote, Walt:

Quote:
“Heather Heyer: woman killed in road rage incident was a fat, childless 32-year-old slut.”
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 03:01 am
@layman,
layman wrote:
You didn't finish the quote, Walt:
I did finish my quote but didn't quote the complete report. That can be accessed via the given link.

But why did you copy just this sentence out of the report and nothing more?
izzythepush
 
  6  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 03:14 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Because he's the sort of lowlife who likes to malign murder victims.
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izzythepush
 
  7  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 03:19 am
Quote:
Web hosting company GoDaddy has given a US neo-Nazi site 24 hours to find another provider after it disparaged a woman who died in protests in Virginia.
The Daily Stormer published a piece denigrating Heather Heyer, who was killed on Saturday after a car rammed into a crowd protesting at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville.
GoDaddy had faced calls to remove the white supremacist site as a result.
The web host said the Daily Stormer had violated its terms of service.
"We informed the Daily Stormer that they have 24 hours to move the domain to another provider, as they have violated our terms of service," GoDaddy said in a statement on Twitter.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40922029

This is good news, but one has to ask what they thought they were doing giving these cockroaches a platform in the first place.
layman
 
  -4  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 03:29 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
But why did you copy just this sentence out of the report and nothing more?


What kinda question is that? It was your post. I just helped clarify (complete) your last sentence for you. Why didn't YOU report more, if that's what you wanted to do?
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snood
 
  6  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 03:47 am
I've got a question for everyone, and please forgive me if it's too simplemnded. Would you consider it a suspension/hindrance of free speech if people were not allowed to attend protests carrying body shields and clubs?
layman
 
  -4  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 03:48 am
@layman,
layman wrote:

It's kinda interesting that, as openly hostile to the Charlottesville protesters as it's politicians are, they only charged the crazy perv who drove into the crowd with SECOND degree murder (among other charges, like leaving the scene of an accident), eh?

Apparently they don't think they have any chance of proving pre-meditation. It would be typical to at least charge first-degree murder, if only for the purpose of extracting a guilty plea to second degree.

What's up with that, I wonder?


I see, now. Apparently the initial reports were erroneous. The guy didn't run into "the crowd," but instead into another car "near" the crowd:

The NYT wrote:
A Guide to the Violence in Charlottesville

Then, around 1:45 p.m., a car plowed into another vehicle near a group of counterprotesters, creating a chain reaction that sent people flying. (Initial reports said the car had run directly into the crowd.)


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/charlottesville-virginia-overview.html?_r=0

Also of note:

Quote:
Supporters of the white nationalists and the counterprotesters both criticized the response of law enforcement to the clashes on Saturday, saying the police could have done more to stop the situation from escalating.
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layman
 
  -3  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 04:00 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

I've got a question for everyone, and please forgive me if it's too simplemnded. Would you consider it a suspension/hindrance of free speech if people were not allowed to attend protests carrying body shields and clubs?


Question for you, Snooty: Why in the **** would marchers have to carry shields if they were not surrounded by violent thugs wearing masks who had been imported from all over the country to attack them while the police stood by with their thumbs up their ass, watching and hoping to see the protesters crushed?

Hmmm? Why should any law-abiding demonstrator be forced to carry a shield?

So, to answer your question, yes, and it wouldn't simply be speech involved. No person should ever be deprived of the universally recognized right of self-defense.
layman
 
  -3  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 04:24 am
@layman,
I would not, however, be as concerned about establishing and requiring some space between hostile "counter-protesters" and an assembly of peaceful protesters.

If they want to protest, and can't restrain themselves from disturbing the peace, then let them get their own permit, and hold their own "rally" elsewhere.

There was a similar protest in Charlottesville last month. It was reported that there were about 50 protesters there, surrounded by over 1,000 so-called "counter-protesters," whose only real mission was to get up in the faces of the protesters, scream obscenities at them, and completely drown them out, thereby effectively depriving them of their right to speak via a "heckler's veto." This should not be allowed.
layman
 
  -3  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 04:34 am
I see you decided to delete your stupid-ass response to my post, eh, Hi? Wise decision.

My response to yours might have have been that, yeah, just like it sucked to be a black demonstrator in Alabama when the local cops turned the KKK loose on them to maim them.
blatham
 
  4  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 04:45 am
@ehBeth,
Could be that. I figured it was a device to help them along with their thesis that dark-skinned people now comprise 100% of the population.
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Olivier5
 
  4  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 04:45 am
@snood,
Or even better: should demonstrators be allowed to carry guns, as some of them were?
 

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