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snood
 
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Mon 14 Aug, 2017 04:49 am
@Olivier5,
I intentionally didn't use guns in my hypothetical, in an attempt to avoid the inevitable descent into another bottomless 2nd amendment circle jerk.
hightor
 
  5  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 04:56 am
@layman,
Okay, I'll put it back up :
hightor wrote:
It sucks to be a Nazi these days.

I was thinking about your question:
layman wrote:
Why in the **** would marchers have to carry shields if they were not surrounded by violent thugs wearing masks who had been imported from all over the country to attack them while the police stood by with their thumbs up their ass, watching and hoping to see the protesters crushed?

Who exactly "imported" all these mask-wearing hoodlums? Imported from "all over the country"? I'll bet they're all illegal aliens — that's why they wear the masks, right?
Quote:
...watching and hoping to see the protesters crushed?

Wait a second — who are the "protestors" and who are the "demonstrators"? Why are you sticking up for the protestors? What side are you on?
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...just like it sucked to be a black demonstrator in Alabama when the local cops turned the KKK loose on them to maim them.

Don't be silly — the civil rights demonstrators were non-violent; they didn't show up with shields, helmets, body armor, clubs, and firearms. That's a really poor analogy. SAD.
blatham
 
  5  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 04:58 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Odd turn of events. GoDaddy had dropped Daily Stormer (apparently after being contacted by Amy Siskind). Amy noted seven hours ago that DS has a post up which reads:
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The Daily Stormer is being sued by Jewish terrorists. In order to survive, we need shekels. Send BTC or cash, check or money order to our PO box.
This site will be shut down if we don't win this.
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layman
 
  -3  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 05:05 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Why are you sticking up for the protestors? What side are you on?

Right back to your position that it's all a matter of "whose side you're on," eh, Hi?

Figures, sho nuff.
Olivier5
 
  5  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 05:06 am
@snood,
Unless the Nazis use them for anal self-gratification, clubs are a type of arms, no? (just not firearms)
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blatham
 
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Mon 14 Aug, 2017 05:07 am
@snood,
No violation.
layman
 
  -4  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 05:08 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Don't be silly — the civil rights demonstrators were non-violent; they didn't show up with shields, helmets, body armor, clubs, and firearms. That's a really poor analogy. SAD.


By "non-violent" you mean "absolutely defenseless," I take it. That's just the way the KKK liked it, I'm sure.
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blatham
 
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Mon 14 Aug, 2017 05:11 am
@Olivier5,
That seems truly the height of idiocy. But the NRA and related interests have successfully managed to swing legal findings towards an interpretation of the 2nd A that now allows guns (even serious military style guns designed to kill many very quickly) in a lot of civic situations.
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layman
 
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Mon 14 Aug, 2017 05:12 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

No violation.


Well, there ya go, then, Snooty. You got the affirmation from a cheese-eater that you were seeking. I notice that you refuse to respond to my question, though, for some reason.
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snood
 
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Mon 14 Aug, 2017 05:13 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

No violation.

Could you expand a bit? You saying that if those people were disarmed before attending protests, it wouldn't be a violation of their rights?
layman
 
  -4  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 05:25 am
The Charlottesville driver did not "plow into the crowd" as universally reported

I already cited the NYT as correcting this error, but I figure it will be overlooked so I'm giving it a headline here to draw some attention to this fact.

https://able2know.org/topic/355218-1400#post-6483756
blatham
 
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Mon 14 Aug, 2017 05:26 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Quote:
layman wrote:
Why in the **** would marchers have to carry shields if they were not surrounded by violent thugs wearing masks who had been imported from all over the country to attack them while the police stood by with their thumbs up their ass, watching and hoping to see the protesters crushed?


Who exactly "imported" all these mask-wearing hoodlums? Imported from "all over the country"? I'll bet they're all illegal aliens — that's why they wear the masks, right?
God grief. What does this dude read to get himself "informed"? First off, you have to appreciate how severely someone can be beaten by another who whips off his mask and uses it to bludgeon innocents. You can crush a skull with a high quality woven-hemp bandanna.

Then there's the thing where we have written records from the organizers of the white supremacist community instructing adherents to come from all over the country (from wherever they are) AND to bring shields, clubs etc. Let me know if the dude you're talking with can provide any evidence of his "imported" notion. I'm about to do a circumnavigation of the planet on foot so he'll have a bit of time.
blatham
 
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Mon 14 Aug, 2017 05:28 am
Today's winner of the No ****, Sherlock award.

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The Hate He Dares Not Speak Of
By THE EDITORIAL BOARD
White supremacists see President Trump’s failure to condemn them as a sign of implicit support. Which of course it is.
editorial here
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layman
 
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Mon 14 Aug, 2017 05:32 am
@blatham,
Quote:
Let me know if the dude you're talking with can provide any evidence of his "imported" notion. I'm about to do a circumnavigation of the planet on foot so he'll have a bit of time.


Try informing yourself sometime, fool:

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Hundreds of counterprotesters were in attendance....Groups counterprotesting included Black Lives Matter,[30] Anti-Racist Action,[31] Antifa,[2] the Democratic Socialists of America,[32] Redneck Revolt,[33] the Industrial Workers of the World,[34][35] and Showing Up for Racial Justice.[31][36][37]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Unite_the_Right_rally

Since you probably don't know it, all those numbers in brackets are citations to footnotes where the source of the information can be found.
blatham
 
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Mon 14 Aug, 2017 05:32 am
@snood,
It would be no violation of their speech rights. Whether some other "right" that exists in law in a given jurisdiction might be the case, I'm not sure (though I'm having trouble imagining what that might be). Still, as a famous Dickens character said, sometimes "the law is an ass".
layman
 
  -4  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 05:39 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
Whether some other "right" that exists in law in a given jurisdiction might be the case, I'm not sure (though I'm having trouble imagining what that might be).

Not surprising to hear that the notion of self-defense, and the absolute right thereto, is something that you could never imagine, cheese-eater
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hightor
 
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Mon 14 Aug, 2017 05:40 am
@layman,
Last I heard, it wasn't a violation of any law be be a member of any of these counter-protesting groups. But you said they were "imported" — who "imported" them? Do you think any of them just came on their own accord?
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hightor
 
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Mon 14 Aug, 2017 05:44 am
@layman,
As I said before, it gets confusing when you use the same term to describe opposite sides — who were the "protestors" in this case? It sounded as if you were sympathizing with the anarchists —
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...while the police stood by with their thumbs up their ass, watching and hoping to see the protesters crushed?

— so I asked you what side are you on. That's not too complicated, is it?
layman
 
  -4  
Mon 14 Aug, 2017 05:52 am
@layman,
Newsweek wrote:
WHAT IS ANTIFA? ANTI-FASCISM PROTESTERS AND WHITE POWER GROUPS WERE BATTLING LONG BEFORE CHARLOTTESVILLE

Groups such as Anti-Racist Action, Showing Up for Racial Justice and Black Lives Matter arrived in Charlottesville in force against the crowds of white neo-Nazis waving Confederate flags at the "Unite the Right" event...The crash followed violent conflicts between far-right demonstrators, Antifascist (AntiFa) protesters, and police that resulted in tear gas canisters detonating in the streets amid scores of arrests and hospitalizations.

Anti-Fa protesters have been linked to violent protests against the far-right. During Trump's inauguration, for example, police arrested more than 200 people after protesters dressed in black smashed local windows, set some cars on fire and attacked law enforcement officials on the streets of Washington, D.C.

The mainstream media has slowly been chronicling the rise of the AntiFa movement....In its upcoming September issue, The Atlantic followed AntiFa protesters in Portland, Oregon.

"Since antifa is heavily composed of anarchists, its activists place little faith in the state, which they consider complicit in fascism and racism. They prefer direct action: They pressure venues to deny white supremacists space to meet. They pressure employers to fire them and landlords to evict them. And when people they deem racists and fascists manage to assemble, antifa’s partisans try to break up their gatherings, including by force," The Atlantic writes.


http://www.newsweek.com/what-antifa-anti-fascism-protesters-and-white-power-groups-explained-650232

Of course the Atlantic article cited here has already been cited and quoted from in this thread. I'm sure Blather treated it all as non-existent, though.
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blatham
 
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Mon 14 Aug, 2017 05:53 am
I want to point out something obvious and common but which gets far too little attention.

The people committing violence in Virginia were almost entirely males. And most of them young to middle years.

Those protesting but not involved in the violence were a mix of genders and a cross-section of age groups.

This is a common phenomenon in primates (and more broadly) and we haven't figured out, as a society of laws, how to effectively deal with it.
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