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blatham
 
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Sun 13 Aug, 2017 02:53 pm
Someone has surely linked to this piece earlier.
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A cabal of leftist “deep state” government workers, “globalists,” bankers, adherents to Islamic fundamentalism and establishment Republicans are conspiring to remove President Trump and impose cultural Marxism in the United States, according to a former White House aide whose darkly worded memo detailing the alleged conspiracy got him removed last month from the National Security Council.
NYT
These sorts of ideas are not new. Most are featured in John Birch literature and the others are of the same sort but with a modern coloration. So it is probably a good opportunity to cite Richard Hofstadter's The Paranoid Style in American Politics again.
Quote:
American politics has often been an arena for angry minds. In recent years we have seen angry minds at work mainly among extreme right-wingers, who have now demonstrated in the Goldwater movement how much political leverage can be got out of the animosities and passions of a small minority. But behind this I believe there is a style of mind that is far from new and that is not necessarily right-wing. I call it the paranoid style simply because no other word adequately evokes the sense of heated exaggeration, suspiciousness, and conspiratorial fantasy that I have in mind. In using the expression “paranoid style” I am not speaking in a clinical sense, but borrowing a clinical term for other purposes. I have neither the competence nor the desire to classify any figures of the past or present as certifiable lunatics. In fact, the idea of the paranoid style as a force in politics would have little contemporary relevance or historical value if it were applied only to men with profoundly disturbed minds. It is the use of paranoid modes of expression by more or less normal people that makes the phenomenon significant.
full essay here
But as regards Rich Higgins memo quoted in part up top, there's this:
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A cabal of leftist “deep state” government workers

The notion of "deep state" actors can make some sense, for example, in pointing to the modern intelligence community who can and do operate in secrecy and who have significant power within government and over citizens. Given what we know about the operations of J Edgar Hoover, how he developed and manipulated levers of power to control others in politics or the broader community, we might put him up as an example of deep state. But beyond such examples (and we recognize a level of necessity here where operations are not criminal) who would we (or who would Higgins) point to?

A defining characteristic would have to be holding some position in government that has very real power to manipulate other government operations around them. If no such power, then they are just staff. What positions would those be? This is entirely unclear to me and I fully expect it is entirely unclear to those who use the term "deep state".

But beyond that, notice Higgins' claim that these "deep state" actors are leftists. Huh? Let's think about this a bit. First, who put them there? When? How is it that they remain in place and have not been cleaned out with each successive change in administration?

And a related important question - how has it happened that only (or mainly, if we are generous) leftists have been locked into such positions? Why has it happened that conservative/right wing administrations and appointees have failed to place their own people into these slots? After all, we know the right has been very organized towards placing their people into important legal positions from local to federal levels (this is the mission of the Federalist Society and the modern Supreme Court is a product of these initiatives).

You have to be seriously credulous to buy into the leftist deep state notion. It just makes no sense at all. But it does contain all the echoes of Bircher ideology and paranoia.
Olivier5
 
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Sun 13 Aug, 2017 03:08 pm
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQf68gjJgG71ZfGl8oVzSUMDlmJLEoe3fNKSlcB4LeP3dwua1kS
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georgeob1
 
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Sun 13 Aug, 2017 03:53 pm
@Olivier5,
I believe that is an unworthy and gratuitous insult to my country. Europe, including both France & Italy, has ample, indeed far worse problems of assimilation of minorities of all types - at least in the currently fashionable taxonomies of such things, including cultural, linguistic, religious and racial and otherwise. Moreover, in the midst of the many examples of the near complete lack of needed assimilation, a serious struggle between the people of the EU and the sappy abstract ideas of their Euro elites appears to be emerging in multiple locations..

In stark contrast to Europe, we have a remarkable (but imperfect) record of successfully assimilating immigrants from all over the world and including them in an evolving, cosmopolitan culture. At its best, this was a bottoms up process in which the immigrants were left to their own devices in a struggle for economic success during which they gained their self respect, along with the , often grudging, respect of others. After a few generations none of the differences mattered much to anyone. We screwed that up badly with African slavery and, the, sometimes formal, but pervasive segregation that followed our Civil War. Now we too are confronted with the contemporary group values & identity issues that would rewrite history, and condemn or reward the living for things of a distant past not done by or to them. The principal effect of this nonsense is the distraction of all those involved today from the real issues of dealing with each other as individuals, based on what we and they do, and getting on with a successful cultural evolution.

When you in Europe can show some element of success in this area then you can do some preaching. Until then you should look to yourselves and your own histories.
Olivier5
 
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Sun 13 Aug, 2017 04:15 pm
@georgeob1,
As I understand it, this cartoon is not about Europe but about president Trump enabling the American extreme right.
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izzythepush
 
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Sun 13 Aug, 2017 04:28 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
These sorts of ideas are not new. Most are featured in John Birch literature and the others are of the same sort but with a modern coloration. So it is probably a good opportunity to cite Richard Hofstadter's The Paranoid Style in American Politics again.


A very timely novel has just come out.

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Since the second world war, numerous professors of ethics or theology and several science fiction writers have fretted over the question of whether a seer or time-traveller, knowing what Adolf Hitler would go on to do, could be justified in killing him as a preventative measure. Stephen King fictionalised this dilemma in his 1979 novel The Dead Zone, in which a man sees that a rising populist politician will become an American Hitler, and agonises about whether assassination would be a patriotic act.

Now Guardian journalist Jonathan Freedland, after publishing 2015’s The Third Woman under his own name, has re-Bourne the pseudonym under which he previously produced five conspiracy thrillers. In To Kill the President, a White House legal aide spots a plot to murder a recently elected controversialist president who, though never named, seems familiar.
Unexpectedly winning an election against a female Democrat who attracted criticism for being unwise with her email service, this “cheat and bigot” has dismayed the political and media establishments with “the tweets, the lies, the grotesque misconduct, the acts of unwarranted aggression”. He also does things of which Donald Trump has not yet been accused, including grabbing a female aide by her genitals in the Situation Room, where staff have been summoned in the middle of the night because the President wishes to nuke North Korea and China.

Although Armageddon is averted in the opening chapter, the fear that the leader intends to use cruise missiles as a sort of super-Twitter leads more moderate American patriots to seek out a Lee Harvey Oswald of our days. The conspiracy is spotted by Maggie Costello, an Irish-born diplomat who featured in Bourne’s The Last Testament (2007) and The Chosen One (2010).



https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/jul/06/kill-president-sam-bourne-review
layman
 
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Sun 13 Aug, 2017 04:33 pm
It's kinda interesting that, as openly hostile to the Charlottesville protesters as it's politicians are, they only charged the crazy perv who drove into the crowd with SECOND degree murder (among other charges, like leaving the scene of an accident), eh?

Apparently they don't think they have any chance of proving pre-meditation. It would be typical to at least charge first-degree murder, if only for the purpose of extracting a guilty plea to second degree.

What's up with that, I wonder?
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Setanta
 
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Sun 13 Aug, 2017 04:34 pm
@blatham,
In another thread, the burden of Finny's phony intellectual analysis was to the effect that those killed and injured in Charlottesville were themselves responsible for the attack. The lunatic fringe of the Republican Party has always been way out there, but now, apparently, a huge segment of the Party is employing the same "logic" which effectively is an attempt to blame their opponents for whatever faults might be justifiably attributed to them. Are your good friends and supporters Nazis? Call the opposition fascists.
layman
 
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Sun 13 Aug, 2017 04:49 pm
@Setanta,
Now this blowhard, notorious for tinkering with his Acme Straw Man building kit in most every post he makes, had entered this thread, eh?

This could get real ugly, right quick.
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blatham
 
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Sun 13 Aug, 2017 05:53 pm
@izzythepush,
Preposterous theme. America would never elect or support such a man.
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blatham
 
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Sun 13 Aug, 2017 06:01 pm
@Setanta,
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In another thread, the burden of Finny's phony intellectual analysis was to the effect that those killed and injured in Charlottesville were themselves responsible for the attack.
Did he? So sad I missed that. Still, he's certainly on solid ground in holding that anglo Americans deserve reparations for all rope that was needed down south to encourage behavioral norms in the lesser peoples.
blatham
 
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Sun 13 Aug, 2017 06:10 pm
Second from left, James Fields, the driver of the car that mowed through the crowd.

https://dawm7kda6y2v0.cloudfront.net/uploads/2017/08/AP_17225675490292-1000x646-dc5b000.jpg
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blatham
 
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Sun 13 Aug, 2017 06:57 pm
Really. WTF is it with brownshirt goon types and sunglasses? Check any of the photos coming out of Virginia.

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/896524036703797248/Tw2NjgId?format=jpg&name=600x314
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blatham
 
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Sun 13 Aug, 2017 07:40 pm
Dinesh D'Souza has just described Charlottesville as a "silly staged drama" (and then promoted his book).
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Sun 13 Aug, 2017 08:00 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

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Antifa is an acronym for an anti-fascist group.

Apparently anti-fascism is the political and moral equivalent of fascism. But that does match a pattern. Those protesting racism are as guilty as racists of racism. Also, I guess, the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto uprising were no less to blame for violence than were the nazis.


For some time now I've believed you to be far too intelligent to offer up such disingenuous tripe, but perhaps I was wrong or maybe you are simply capitalizing on the fact that this is the sort of simple minded banter that gets giggles out of your followers.

(BTW - Has Setanta received the official Welcome Aboard message yet?)
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ehBeth
 
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Sun 13 Aug, 2017 08:11 pm
@blatham,
I think it's their version of tinfoil hats.
 

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