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Olivier5
 
  5  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 04:46 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Bernie Sanders
Twitter › BernieSanders

The white nationalist demonstration in #Charlottesville is a reprehensible display of racism and hatred. This has no place in our society.

16 hours ago - View on Twitter


Is Bernie a fascist too?
Lash
 
  -2  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 04:52 am
@Olivier5,
You don't think I have seen that? I agree with him completely-except of course, the last sentence, which is factually inaccurate--until someone changes the laws on legal assembly and free speech.
Olivier5
 
  5  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 05:05 am
@Lash,
But the point is: is Bernie a fascist? No, not anymore than I am. We just realize that every freedom has its limits. Calls for racial hatred are dangerous for society and should rightly be banned in free societies.

Would you be in favour of Al Qaeda staging a "peaceful demonstration" in Ground Zero? If free speech is absolute, why not?
Lash
 
  -2  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 05:12 am
@Olivier5,
The larger point is nobody 'called' for racial hatred. Nobody said anything because the legal assembly that was applied for legally and was awarded to that group was rescinded due to the violent physical attacks by the fascists.

Their right to assembly was taken from them by a power that sets itself above the constitution and laws of this land.

It's unsupportable.

Again, law enforcement didn't appear to try to separate these groups or arrest violent counter-protesters.

It's fucked up.

Walter Hinteler
 
  6  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 05:22 am
The "Daily Stormer" (some here seem to have quoted from there without naming the source) points to the fact that Charloteville's mayor is Jewish. And the driver of the car has a mother with a Jewish name ... he certainly only wanted to kill fascists ...

If some of you would read sources from the 1920's Germany, you'll notice: it all had happened here back then ...
blatham
 
  5  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 05:24 am
As I noted several months ago, one of the most vocal Bernie Bros supporters at the Dem convention was later revealed as a right wing provocateur. As I also said then, this was no surprise, indeed it is to be expected. I provided one earlier instance of such activity where ClintonsForMcCain (supposedly a group of Democratic voters incensed at Obama's "theft" of the nomination from Hillary) was actually a covert RNC operation (the C4M domain was registered by the RNC, a story that a reporter at Wired broke at the time). The goal was to spread disaffection and division among Dem voters.

Thus it was entirely predictable that such a project would be in place re the Saunders' campaign. It's also equally predictable that this is presently continuing and that will remain so through the next election.

You'll find this piece rather disagreeable, but I'd like folks to actually attend to the following. It's a link and comment provided by Lash:


But before you read it, go to the wikipedia page on the author and founder of the American Spectator, Emmett Tyrrell Jr. This is the key:
Quote:
Tyrrell was one of those behind the Arkansas Project, financed by Richard Mellon Scaife, to improve the Spectator's investigative journalism. He has explained the Project's purposes and accomplishments in his 2007 book The Clinton Crack-Up: The Boy President's Life after the White House.
This was ground zero for the anti-Clintonism we've all been witnessing for decades.

What do you surmise are the chances that a die-hard supporter of Sanders (who is, after all, a serious progressive, in fact, a declared socialist) is going to be attending to Emmett Tyrrell, promoting him here, and coming down on the side of white supremacists, nazis, racists and Klansmen rather than those protesting against such ideologies?
Olivier5
 
  4  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 05:26 am
@Lash,
Guys flying Nazi flags and doing Nazi salutes... I know what these guys stand for, and it's not racial equality.

The counter-demonstrators had a right to be there too, and violence was committed by both sides. Next time, it may be a leftist who drives a car into a crowd of neo-Nazis, who knows? But this time it was one on your side who did it, and something tells me it's not the last time... They love your president because he's enabling them. You here are trying to enable them.
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blatham
 
  6  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 05:27 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
If some of you would read sources from the 1920's Germany, you'll notice: it all had happened here back then
Yes. Has no one read Shirer?

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hightor
 
  6  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 05:31 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Nobody said anything because the legal assembly that was applied for legally and was awarded to that group was rescinded due to the violent physical attacks by the fascists.

Which side are you on?
Quote:
Mr. Trump did not single out the marchers, who included the white supremacist Richard Spencer and Mr. Duke, for their ideology.

While Democrats and some Republicans faulted Mr. Trump for being too vague, Mr. Duke was among the few Trump critics who thought the president had gone too far.

“I would recommend you take a good look in the mirror & remember it was White Americans who put you in the presidency, not radical leftists,” he wrote on Twitter, shortly after the president spoke.

NYT
Lash
 
  -2  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 05:47 am
@hightor,
I'm on the side of free speech. But, I like mine with a side of non-violence, law enforcement oversight, and arrests for incitement to violence. Who's side are you on?
blatham
 
  7  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 05:47 am
With which individual in this photograph do you identify?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHDX4itXoAEaoPD.jpg
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izzythepush
 
  5  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 06:00 am
@Lash,
You're on the side of hate speech, that which allows the rich and powerful to prey on, and discriminate against, the weak and vulnerable.
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blatham
 
  8  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 06:09 am
Quote:
Barack Obama‏Verified account @BarackObama 12h12 hours ago
"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion..."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHEXH7RV0AAUwKj.jpg
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hightor
 
  9  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 06:11 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Who's side are you on?

You mean who am I against? I'm against violent mobs which hide behind "constitutional rights".
Lash
 
  -3  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 06:12 am
I would like to say that I'm going out into this beautiful day to attend a family event, lest Blickers sidles up and says his latest post has forced me into a silent inability to respond. LOL.

Here is a pretty good explanation of my opinion of antifa.

Hate speech isn't protected. Law enforcement could get some violence-inciters and -perpetrators off the streets and fine their organizations for that.

Assembly and speech ARE protected and should be.

Know the difference and treat them differently.

I'm not giving up on the sanctity of free speech for lazy fascists.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.nationalreview.com/article/448275/antifa-protest-movement-roots-left-wing-political-violence
Lash
 
  -3  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 06:14 am
@hightor,
That's antifa.

And the murderer.
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hightor
 
  7  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 06:19 am
@layman,
Well, no, it has nothing to do with cheese or the 1st Amendment — I just wanted some clarity because the term "fascist" was being used and I wasn't sure how it was being applied. When it's used as a catchall for people doing stuff we don't like the term loses its meaning pretty quickly. And when one side specifically anoints itself as "antifa".
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hightor
 
  6  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 06:23 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Hate speech isn't protected.


What is the criterion for evaluating what is and isn't "hate speech"?
 

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