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layman
 
  -3  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 03:02 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
If this Grogan character is Bobsal that would explain all of Grogan's namecalling and falsely accusing other people of namecalling.

It would also explain the some of the votedowns increasing dramatically from -4 to -9 or so. For some reason the posts that Bobsal didn't like always ended up with about 5 more downvotes compared to the downvotes on other posts.


Hmm, that's an interesting observation, one I hadn't noticed. Apparently he has a number of sock accounts. A few weeks ago he was posting under another handle which I can't even remember now.

And it could also be that he has amassed some flunkies who do his bidding when voting.

Earlier I mentioned that I once racked up 36 downvotes and was then promptly banned.

That happened in a thread that was virtually dead. No one else was posting in it anymore except for Bobby-boy (and me) so the 36 downvotes, given a post I made responding to him, is even more indicative of collusion than might be the case in a thread with dozens of active posters.
layman
 
  -2  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 03:09 am
@Lash,
These cheese-eaters and snowflakes are so self-absorbed, self-indulgent, egocentric, solipsistic, and so oblivious to the rights of others, that they don't even realize that they hate and condemn free speech. All while attempting to portray themselves as champions of the First Amendment.

Their capacity for denial and self-deception is unbelievable.
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Lash
 
  -4  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 03:14 am
@layman,
Oral makes a good point.

Bobsal does bring an army of sock puppets.

One mystery solved.
layman
 
  -3  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 03:22 am
@Lash,
It's hard to even imagine the kind of chickenshit candyass you would have to be to go to the trouble to downvote every post with 5 or 6 different accounts.

But, as unimaginable as it is, I can still believe that Bobby is just the kind of petty coward that it would take, ya know?
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izzythepush
 
  4  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 03:52 am
What's predictable is how all the Nazis on A2K rush is support of their own. What's also predictable is how they pretend to be something else, but they're not fooling anyone. Dishonesty, racism and cowardice go hand in hand.
blatham
 
  3  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 03:53 am
@roger,
It is all explained in the Duck Soup Protocols
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Olivier5
 
  6  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 03:56 am
@Lash,
Instead of worrying about little me, living thousands of miles away from your shores and unable to rip away any of your rights even if I wanted to, you should worry about the people spreading hatred in your misdt, such as Trump and the white supremacists he's empowering to kill people. You should worry about your divided country, about your huge economic disparities, about the proliferation of lies in your public discourse. The USA is travelling straight to hell and you're defending murderers.
izzythepush
 
  3  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 03:58 am
@Olivier5,
Why would someone who publicly approved of a Nazi propaganda poster depicting a demonic parody of a Jew, complete with horns and claws, worry about the rise of white supremacists in America?
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layman
 
  -2  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 03:59 am
It's really a pity that Bobby defiles the name of a real player by assuming it as a alias, eh?:

Quote:
Emmett Grogan (born Eugene Grogan, November 28, 1942–April 6, 1978) was a founder of the Diggers, a radical community-action group of Improvisational actors in the Haight-Ashbury district of San Francisco, California. The Diggers took their name from the English Diggers (1649-1650), a radical movement opposed to feudalism, the Church of England and the British Crown.

Their most famous activities revolved around distributing free food ("Free because it's yours!") every day in the park, and distributing "surplus energy" at a series of Free Stores (where everything in stock was without a price tag).

Grogan shunned media attention, and became increasingly suspicious of those who sought publicity. In Ringolevio Grogan discussed the 1967 Human Be-In, criticizing counterculture luminaries Timothy Leary, Jerry Rubin, and especially Abbie Hoffman.

The Diggers, devoted to street theater, direct action, and distributing free food, were in the thick of the legendary Summer of Love, and soon Grogan is struggling with the naive narcissism of the hippies, the marketing of revolution as a brand, dogmatic radicals, and false prophets like tripster Timothy Leary."

He objected to the "Summer of Love" enticing of young people to the Haight-Ashbury to experience hippie life, noting that an influx of residents would cause an "immigration crisis" and the kids who came expecting an already-formed Utopia would end up living a desperate hand-to-mouth existence on the streets. He also decried the HIP merchants' "HIP Job Co-Op", revealing that much of the work they offered was sweatshop labor. He pointed out that unskilled and clerical jobs would be taken away from poor residents who depended on such work to survive.

Bob Dylan dedicated his 1978 album Street Legal to Grogan. Richard Brautigan dedicated the poem Death is a Beautiful Car Parked Only to Grogan.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Grogan

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Lash
 
  -2  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 04:04 am
https://spectator.org/radical-anti-fascists-are-pretty-darn-fascist/

American fascists, a lovely bunch.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 04:11 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
What's predictable is how all the Nazis on A2K rush is support of their own. What's also predictable is how they pretend to be something else, but they're not fooling anyone. Dishonesty, racism and cowardice go hand in hand.

To the board in general: Just for the record I'm not really too much interested in this kerfuffle over the violence yesterday. If I don't speak up for anyone who is wrongly accused of Nazism, that is because I skimmed over all of those posts, not because I concur with the accusations.

I was just a kid during the 1979 eclipse and was not able to go to the path of the total eclipse. I've been waiting all my life for next week to come, so most of my on-line attention is devoted to last minute travel plans right now.

My hotel the night after the eclipse is going to be pretty close to Mount Rushmore. It'll be pretty easy to go take a look at it when I start out the next morning. On the other hand, I'm not all that interested and the national park will probably have an admittance fee.
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layman
 
  -3  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 04:12 am
@Lash,
What a surprise, eh?:

Quote:
Among violent German “Antifascist” protesters, Heat Street reports that 92% live with their parents, 84% are male, 72% are aged 18-29, 90% are single, and 34% are unemployed. In America they also appear to be largely white college students, though no comprehensive demographic survey of American Antifa has been conducted yet.
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layman
 
  -3  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 04:18 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Antifa, short for ‘Anti-Fascist,’ is a term used by and for far-left protesters across the globe....They support using violence and intimidation against politicians and civilian populations perceived as fascist in order to force acceptance of their demands. While fascism has historically been understood as an authoritarian philosophy that calls for government control over industry and the suppression of dissent, to Antifa it means essentially any right-of-center belief. To this end they have targeted protesters, assaulted conservative journalists, sent death threats to a Latino family after misidentifying them as neo-Nazis, attacked 80-year-old grandmothers and high school students with bats, and even stabbed horses.

When they riot, they use black bloc strategies, alternatively covering their heads with hoodies and faces with bandannas or shirts for anonymity while they smash windows and assault onlookers, and slipping into civilian clothing to blend in among the crowd of peaceful protesters and evade capture by the police. While their weapons have thus far been Molotov cocktails, bricks, bats, and crude blades, they have also sold concealed knives and after the Berkeley riots several members suggested using guns in a sign of things to come.

The election of Donald Trump seems to have brought them front and center and their ideas have become more and more accepted into the political mainstream. The Daily Californian Editorial Board described the Antifa riots in Berkeley, which injured 6 and caused over $100,000 in property damage, as “defending communities.

The Pacific Standard has suggested that in the age of Trump, Antifa are “the most reasonable people in America.”

If the mainstream left truly supports peaceful dialogue, it must stop providing shelter to Antifa activists. When black bloc insurgents try to co-opt non-violent demonstrations, protesters should block them out of the crowd, seize them, or point them out to the police. As long as the moderate left tolerates and praises these insurgents, and affords them cover and immunity for their actions, they will be complicit in the violence that Antifa perpetuates.
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Lash
 
  -1  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 04:21 am
@Olivier5,
You may have happened upon the fact that I am concerned about the state of my country.
izzythepush
 
  4  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 04:23 am
Even other Republicans are sickened by Trump's support for his Nazi base.

Quote:
US President Donald Trump is facing criticism for his response to the violence at a white supremacist rally.
A woman was killed and 19 people injured when a car ploughed into a crowd of counter-protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia.
Mr Trump condemned violence by "many sides" - but stopped short of explicitly condemning the far-right.
Republican Senator Cory Gardner said "Mr. President - we must call evil by its name."
He added: "These were white supremacists and this was domestic terrorism."
His comments were echoed by senior Republican figures.
Hundreds of white nationalists converged for Saturday's "Unite the Right" march, called to protest against the removal of a statue of a Southern civil war hero.
The far-right demonstrators, who included neo-Nazis and Ku Klux Klan members, clashed with counter-protesters. People punched and kicked each other, and pepper spray, used by both sides, filled the air.
As the rally was dispersed, a car was driven into a crowd of counter-protesters, the force of the crash flinging people into the air.
Twenty-year-old James Fields from Ohio, the alleged driver, is in detention on suspicion of second-degree murder and the FBI has opened a civil rights investigation.
Apart from the car-ramming incident, Charlottesville police said at least 15 were wounded in other violence related to the far-right march.
The governor of Virginia, Terry McAuliffe, said that his only message for the white supremacists who had come to Charlottesville was "Go home".
The white nationalists who descended on the small, liberal city of Charlottesville were a motley crew of militia, racists, and neo-Nazis, and some who said they simply wanted to defend their Southern history.
They gathered early in the morning at Emancipation Park where the statue of General Lee sits, some dressed in full tactical gear and openly carrying rifles. Others wore black shirts, helmets, and boots.
In a column they surged into the park, using sticks and their fists to shove aside anti-fascist counter-protesters. Then they blocked off the entrance with shields.
Inside, David Duke, the former grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, grinned and waved as the crowd, almost entirely white and male, cheered him on, chanting his name and putting their arms up in Nazi salutes.
They had reason to be pleased. They were in the middle of the largest gathering of white nationalists in America for decades.
Some observers say that Mr Trump's election to the White House has re-energised the far right across the US.
The Southern Poverty Law Center, a civil rights organisation, says that "Trump's run for office electrified the radical right, which saw in him a champion of the idea that America is fundamentally a white man's country."
In his response to Saturday's violence, Mr Trump condemned "in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides".
"The hate and the division must stop right now," he told reporters, speaking in New Jersey, where he is on a working holiday. "We have to come together as Americans with love for our nation."
But that did not go far enough for both Democrats and members of Mr Trump's Republican party.
"Very important for the nation to hear [President Trump] describe events in #Charlottesville for what they are, a terror attack by #whitesupremacists," Republican senator Marco Rubio tweeted.
Another senior Republican, Ted Cruz, called the car-ramming a "grotesque act of domestic terrorism" and there were more strong words from Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah.
House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi said "the President's talk of violence 'on many sides' ignores the shameful reality of white supremacism in our country today".
Mr Trump's former Democratic rival for the presidency, Hillary Clinton, said "every minute we allow this to persist through tacit encouragement or inaction is a disgrace and corrosive to our values".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40915569
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Olivier5
 
  5  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 04:27 am
@Lash,
At least now I know which side you're on. The side of murderers.
blatham
 
  5  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 04:31 am
Quote:
There is no denying that Trump has used dehumanization — refugees are “animals,” Mexican migrants are “rapists,” Muslims are threats — as a political tool. And there is no denying that hateful political rhetoric can give permission for prejudice. “It acts as a psychological lubricant,” says David Livingstone Smith, “dissolving our inhibitions and inflaming destructive passions. As such, it empowers us to perform acts that would, under normal circumstances, be unthinkable.”

If great words can heal and inspire, base words can corrupt. Trump has been delivering the poison of prejudice in small but increasing doses. In Charlottesville, the effect became fully evident. And the president had no intention of decisively repudiating his work.

What do we do with a president who is incapable or unwilling to perform his basic duties? What do we do when he is incapable of outrage at outrageous things? What do we do with a president who provides barely veiled cover for the darkest instincts of the human heart?
Michael Gerson
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izzythepush
 
  3  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 04:32 am
@Olivier5,
Glad to see the scales have finally dropped from your eyes.
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Lash
 
  0  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 04:32 am
@Olivier5,
LOL. You must be really bored.

I'm on the side of our constitution and the law, fascist.
izzythepush
 
  4  
Sun 13 Aug, 2017 04:40 am
Quote:
'Get back to work': Trump's vacation message to Mitch McConnell
Donald Trump has suggested that Mitch McConnell should step down if the Republican leader in the Senate does not successfully get the president’s agenda passed on Capitol Hill.

Speaking to reporters at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey, where he is spending a working vacation, Trump was asked if McConnell should stand down. “I’ll tell you what,” the president said, “if he doesn’t get repeal and replace [of the Affordable Care Act] done, if he doesn’t get taxes done, meaning cuts and reform, if he doesn’t get infrastructure done, then you can ask me that the question.”
The remarks came after Trump attacked the Senate majority leader in several statements on Twitter in recent days. After McConnell suggested that Trump had “excessive expectations” about what could be accomplished on Capitol Hill, the president tweeted: “Senator Mitch McConnell said I had ‘excessive expectations’, but I don’t think so. After 7 years of hearing Repeal & Replace, why not done?”

The president followed this with a similar tweet on Thursday morning, and then tweeted on Thursday afternoon: “Mitch, get back to work and put Repeal & Replace, Tax Reform & Cuts and a great Infrastructure Bill on my desk for signing. You can do it!”

Trump’s displeasure with McConnell has been increasingly public since the Senate failed to pass its version of a bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act in July.

The compromise bill to undo Barack Obama’s signature healthcare reforms failed by a 51-49 margin, with the Republican senator John McCain casting the deciding vote. Trump reiterated his unhappiness with this result on Thursday, telling reporters: “I say, Mitch, get to work and let’s get it done. They should have had this last one done. They lost by one vote; for a thing like that to happen is a disgrace.”

The president’s attacks on the Senate majority leader come as Congress faces several crucial time-sensitive bills when it returns from its August recess, including votes to raise the debt ceiling and fund the federal government in addition to Trump’s stated priorities of tax reform, infrastructure and another effort to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/10/donald-trump-mitch-mcconnell-message-pass-healthcare-tax-reform
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