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layman
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2017 07:36 pm
@wmwcjr,
Well, Bill, opposing the political goals of others is a far cry from violently attacking them. Your post does not even address that issue.

I will say it again, I don't believe that there is evidence of widespread approval of such violence, even among southern "racists." The Alabama cops, for example, were vilified nationally, not supported for "defending" society from an unpopular (with some) minority.

Granted, the south had a long history of lynchings and other violent mistreatment of blacks that was deemed to be "acceptable" by many. But by the 60's, that was no longer the prevailing sentiment.

To elaborate about what I said about the vehicle terrorist, if I witnessed a bunch of people celebrating the lynching of a black man, I would be sorely tempted to toss some sticks of dynamite into their crowd.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2017 07:38 pm
Looks like the driver was directly responsible for one death and 19 injured, currently. Two law enforcement personnel, responding to the violence, died in a copter crash.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amp/charlottesville-rally-turns-deadly-one-killed-after-car-strikes-crowd-n792116
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layman
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2017 07:57 pm
"Well, he shoulda armed hisself if he's gunna decorate his saloon with my friend." Fair point, eh?



blatham
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2017 08:02 pm
The latest I can tell from Virginia - three dead (one from the attack with a car, the other two in a helicopter incident).

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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2017 08:05 pm
Quote:
Sean Illing
Is there a “Big Bang” moment for the alt-right, a cultural event that helped explode it into being?

Angela Nagle
Trump was the big explosive moment. Obviously there have been reactionary online for many years before Trump, but Trump’s campaign was the moment where it all went completely mainstream. Gamergate was very significant in bringing together a whole cross section of people who were anti–political correctness, but a lot of these people weren’t necessarily right-wing. They were cultural libertarians or free speech enthusiasts, but there wasn’t a lot of political organizing. That changed with Trump. All the anti-PC stuff, the anti-immigration politics, the trolling campaigns — Trump boosted all of that into the mainstream.

Sean Illing
When someone identifies themselves as alt-right, what are they trying to signal? Or maybe a better way to put it is what are they defining themselves against?

Angela Nagle
If they're using the term in the strict sense, it says they're against the idea that problems in society are socially constructed or even that most of our experiences are socially constructed. So they would say that gender is not socially constructed but a biological category. They say the same thing about race. They reject the idea that America is founded on abstract principles and instead believe it's a product of white Anglo-Saxon Protestants and that it could be no other way...
Vox
layman
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2017 08:10 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
They were cultural libertarians or free speech enthusiasts, but there wasn’t a lot of political organizing. That changed with Trump. All the anti-PC stuff, the anti-immigration politics, the trolling campaigns — Trump boosted all of that into the mainstream.


That's right, cheese-eaters. Live with it, eh? You're finished. Your day is over. Ya done been exposed and rejected by real Americans.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2017 08:11 pm
Quote:
...one group of people were thrilled with Trump’s comments: the white supremacists themselves.

The popular white supremacist site Daily Stormer called Trump’s remarks “really good,” noting that he “didn’t attack us.” They were also pleased he ignored a question about white supremacists after making his statement...
TP
And this is accurate. Trump has, at least to this point, refrained from any indictment that focuses on the white supremacist cadre that has arisen and grown in response to Trump's rhetoric while campaigning and since.

Now, consider all the people, groups and entities that Trump has identified and criticized, often in harsh, demeaning and even crude terms.

But never the alt-right white nationalists and never Putin.

That's your president.
layman
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2017 08:15 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
Sean Illing

When someone identifies themselves as alt-right, what are they trying to signal?

Angela Nagle

If they're using the term in the strict sense, it says they're against the idea that problems in society are socially constructed or even that most of our experiences are socially constructed. So they would say that gender is not socially constructed but a biological category. They say the same thing about race.


And, to hear a solipsistic cheese-eater tell it, that's a bad thing, eh? Fraid not. Honesty is always the best policy, and reality has it's own way of taking precedence over abstract cheese-eatin bullshit, know what I'm sayin?
layman
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2017 08:17 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
And this is accurate. Trump has, at least to this point, refrained from any indictment that focuses on the white supremacist cadre that has arisen and grown in response to Trump's rhetoric while campaigning and since.

Yet another typical cheese-eater lie, readily accepted as fact by other cheese-eaters.

Nice try.
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Blickers
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2017 08:23 pm
@layman,
Quote layman's source:
Quote:
A small group of counterprotesters clashed with the marchers shortly before 10 p.m. at the base of a statue of Thomas Jefferson, U-Va.’ s founder. One counterprotester apparently deployed a chemical spray,

Ahem, if you read your own source, that was more than ten hours after the commencement of hostilities in the morning. Yet you post that as if it was a reason for the hostilities to begin. Get your story straight, for once.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2017 08:28 pm
@Lash,
You make an interesting point.

Arguably, whether at Berkeley or Charlottesville, there would not have been violence if the people who wished to express their viewpoints had been allowed to without the interference of those who were present for the sole purpose of either opposing or preventing their doing so.

This is not to suggest that counter-demonstrations should be outlawed, but it would seem wise for city governments to at least plan and manage these events better.

The groups that wanted to demonstrate in Charlottesville were required to obtain some form of permission from the city (in fact they needed to have a court intervene so that the permission couldn't be unreasonably withheld), but what about the counter-protesters? I can't understand why they wouldn't have needed a permit from the city, so for the sake of discussion, I'll assume they did need one and it was granted. At that point, wouldn't it have made sense for the city to keep the two groups separated? The videos I've seen show violence breaking out after members of the two groups were nose to nose, taunting, cursing and threatening one another.

Over the last three years during which peaceful protests transformed into violent riots once the sun set and punk kids took to Cosplaying revolutionaries and smashing Starbucks storefronts and setting fire to trash cans, I predicted several things that have since come true:

1) The leftist thugs would be emboldened and the violence would continue and escalate.
2) At some point right-wing thugs would decide that it had become necessary for them to confront the left-wing thugs because the police wouldn't
3) At one of these clashes, someone would be very seriously injured or die
5) If the seriously injured or dead could be identified as a liberal or progressive and the perpetrator could be identified as a member of the Alt-Right, or a White Supremacy group the Left would respond as if the whole nation was in flames.

For sometime now, the Left has offered luke warm criticism of violent mobs if the source of their righteous rage was oppressive police, hate spewing conservative authors or the 45th president of the United States. Throughout their flaccid condemnation, were inserted numerous "buts" and "howevers" and rationalizing the irrational was the rule. Now that the fascist beast has broken its chains and struck, breasts will be beaten, clothes will rend, and teeth will gnash. Hollywood twits will tweet profanity laden calls to take to the streets, Congressional investigations will be demanded, and in Blue States, the National Guard will be put on alert.

Above all else though, woe betide the soulless ghouls who don't support a National Day of Mourning for the slain martyrs, or who reveal their utter lack of humanity by attaching any blame whatsoever to the counter-protesters.

In other words...Ooooh you're in trouble Lash!
Blickers
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2017 08:30 pm
@layman,
Quote:
But, ask yourself. Why the "counter-protest?" There was no call for these people to show up, carrying weapons and wearing masks.

The Klan wore masks all the time-now you complain? And where are the reports of weapons with the counterprotestors, aside from the Mace can that occurred over ten hours after the riot began.

Like I said before, the counter-protestors were largely led by pastors, not usually a group to promote violence. Where were the pastors at the alt-right group?

Well, where were they?
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layman
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2017 08:32 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:

Quote layman's source:

Ahem, if you read your own source, that was more than ten hours after the commencement of hostilities in the morning. Yet you post that as if it was a reason for the hostilities to begin. Get your story straight, for once.


Heh, get your own story straight, why doncha? The incident in question happened around 10:oo P.M. FRIDAY night. The extensive violence broke out SATURDAY (today), i.e., after, not before, the pepper spray attack by the thugs.

Do you ever even think before you post? It's barely 10 P.M. in Charlottesville right now.

blatham
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2017 08:33 pm
Quote:
Jennifer Rubin‏Verified account @JRubinBlogger 3h3 hours ago
I repeat: Those who said HRC would be worse should hang their heads in shame.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2017 08:39 pm
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHAS6Q7VYAATkHm.jpg
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Blickers
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2017 08:45 pm
@layman,
Quote layman:
Quote:
A small group of counterprotesters clashed with the marchers shortly before 10 p.m. at the base of a statue of Thomas Jefferson, U-Va.’ s founder. One counterprotester apparently deployed a chemical spray...[quote]
Don't you even read your own quotes? That spray incident occurred over ten hours after the Klan/Nazis attacked the counter-protestors. By that time, very likely people had armed themselves.

[quote]There were vicious clashes on Market Street in front of Emancipation Park, where the rally was to begin at noon. A large contingent of white nationalist rallygoers holding shields and swinging wooden clubs rushed through a line of counterprotesters.

There you go-earlier in the day, Klan/Nazi guys attacked counterprotestors singing hymns with wooden clubs. And then you complain when your Aryan heroes get a little Mace In The Face a few hours later. If there's one thing totalitarians can't stand, it's when their intended victim fights back.


Quote:
Earlier Saturday, men in combat gear — some wearing bicycle and motorcycle helmets and carrying clubs and sticks and makeshift shields — had fought each other in the downtown streets, with little apparent police interference.

Yes, but what the account failed to mention was whether the motorcycle combatants were on different sides or not. Biker gangs get into lethal fights on their own, they don't even need political differences.

In the future, please find out what you are posting before you post it. Your messages grow increasingly embarrassing.
layman
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2017 08:50 pm
@Blickers,
Quote:
That spray incident occurred over ten hours after the Klan/Nazis attacked the counter-protestors. By that time, very likely people had armed themselves....In the future, please find out what you are posting before you post it. Your messages grow increasingly embarrassing.


Doubling down on your idiocy even after your obvious error is clearly pointed out to you, eh? Figures, sho nuff. What else is new, cheese-eater?

Talk about "embarrassing," eh?
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Blickers
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2017 08:53 pm
@layman,
Quote layman:
Quote:
Heh, get your own story straight, why doncha? The incident in question happened around 10:oo P.M. FRIDAY night.

Well in that case, where the hell was your link to the source of that story? All day long we've been talking about Saturday, then you quote a story talking about violence on Friday. That's what I get for reading an unlinked source from you-can't you do ANYTHING right?
blatham
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2017 09:01 pm
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHCvvb6UMAAFsX3.jpg
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2017 09:08 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
But never the alt-right white nationalists and never Putin.

That is so blatantly obvious about this guy. His normal behavior is caustic and insulting so frequently that it really stands out that he never degrades white nationalists by name - or Putin.
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